is "New" a lie?

first off id just like to say, isn't that a catchy title? probably drew a bunch of you in just to see what the hell it was i was talking about, and its probably sort of misleading too.

anyway, this topic was spawned by a sentence i happened to make in "general occult"

it got me thinking, can we actually think of something entirely new?.... in looking back I'm not sure i ever have, (don't get me wrong, i think thoughts, and they are not just reflections of prior thoughts.....are they?) everything in here *points vaguely at head* seams to have either arisen directly from things Ive read or seen or done, or been told etc..... or from combinations and complex interactions of all the formerly stated sources of experience.

it brings up a rather interesting series of thoughts, can a being actually conceive something that has not been in existence for it to perceive, what is the nature of that which it perceives? (is that new?, is it of its own making?) what defines its perceptions?

and this also brings up the idea that perhaps the human mind is incapable of self inception, as such the higher self or what have you, brings "new" into the mind by externalized sources (the world)....... that of course leads into the logic loop again of reality being perceived, which makes it all reside within the mind.

and so after a fairly lengthy bit of text, Ive hopefully throughly confused you and boxed you into endless thoughts for the next few weeks. and ultimately exercised that government trade secret of saying much and telling nothing (but ironically not intentionally, as the same logic loops are having seizures in my own mind)

this also brings up the idea (and I'll probably implement it in the not so far off future) for a topic on reality, and a topic on free will.

anyway, fair days, think lots,
realize that I'm insane, see how it happened, and know that I'm leading you down the same path

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This brings to mind some of Solomon's wise words. . .

"Vanity of vanity; all is vanity." "There is nothing new under the sun."

*wonders if advanced technology has been brought about before within the ever so distant past*. . .and even if it has not, during the times of the Great Inquisition, many thoughts and considerations (I'm sure) have went towards those directions, but were quickly snuffed out by accusations of heresy.

Don’t know why, but a story I heard about birds and I think it was milk just came to mind. Back when people had milk (again, I'm not sure if it was milk or not) delivered to their house in the little carton with the glass bottles birds were stealing it and drinking it all up. Eventually, people started getting them with caps on the top (if it wasn't milk, of course this was something else... something that kept the birds from getting to it), and for a while the birds couldn't get it. A bird found a way to get it open and get to the milk. this spread a little through Europe, then all of the birds all the sudden started doing it... like their consciousness merged at some point and all of them knew how to open it suddenly. Not sure if it has much, or anything to do with this topic, but the reason I think it popped into mind is that it was an entirely new idea for them and after only a few birds learned this trick, all of them knew and used it. it is, in my opinion, completely possible to think of a ‘new’ idea... eh, I’m confused again... something strange happened to my brain tonight I think..... lol possibly temporarily fried... should be back in order in a few days
Then again, it could be that we already know everything there is to know; we just have to have a situation that will make us remember it. ...I know what I mean by the last sentence, but it doesn’t seem like I do... odd...*shrugs* again, brain fried

ok, so...trying to shoot my theory all to hell ehh?

I certainly didn’t see that post coming.... so in that respect its certainly out of bounds in my neatly ordered pre experienced subjective reality.

well fair days.
(but then again that’s been said before hasn't it?)
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It may have been new to that generation of birds, but who is to say if the birds came up with a similiar feat generations ago? Like people today, they think that they have come up with something completely new, but the idea was around centuries ago. . .left forgotten. In actuality, there really isn't anything new. Truth is, it is just something old with a new coating to make it presentable to a 'new' generation.

Example: New age isn't really new at all.

Couldn’t have come up with that feat generations ago, seeing as the little bottles or w/e it was didn’t exists then. “New Age” is new… its morphed and is no longer as it once was.

Course not, just trying to point out another point of view. Got to look at all the evidence after all... I think we know all there is to know. just have to put yourself in a position that you would remember it.sort of a devil’s advocate thing.

a debate on the matter of human conceptuality, perhaps this was a rather unprogressive topic in spite of dealing with just that.

some things that came to mind on the matter though, while I still cant recall any idea, action etc. that was not in some way the result of some previous perception.

it has come to mind that on my flight here to new mexico, the colors as the sun set..... such a lasting and extensive blood red, a color and effect that stretched across the sky in most unusual manner, is not something I can recall prior to the event, and at the time seamed very alien and wonderful.... so perhaps for a time at least I can be satisfied that there is an external source that is progressing in unseen and new ways.



fair days
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Wanted to post in response to this "old" thread, re: that "new" things really aren't "new;" they are just reworking of "old" things in a "new" way, or at least we think they are in a "new" way

Personally, I am fine with the idea that we cannot create anything that is new. I embrace the old. Probably not such a bad thing since my kids think I'm old, LOL!

A few interesting tidbits from history:

Antikythera mechanism, world's first computer, from ancient Greece, 100 BCE

Bagdad battery, man-made battery, from Sumeria, 2500 BCE

Dendera lamps, light-bulbs, from Egypt, 1st cent. BCE