The war

Were we right to go to war? Should we have waited? Was it worth it to get rid of Saddam? Is it just for personal gain (oil)?

...DEBATE!

I believe that we, the United States, had no right to invade Iraq. We were already cutting it a bit short when we invaded Afghanistan and decimated that country. After all, it was almost without a doubt, Saudia Arabia that was the mastermind of the 9/11 attack. It was horrible what was going on in Iraq with it's former dictator, Saddam, but it wasn't like the United States was in imminent danger then. Was it really worth getting rid of Saddam, at first, slightly, now, definantly not. At the cost of 1,500+ American soldier deaths, and rising still, and not to mention the entire Coalition casualties and Iraqi civilian deaths. We've made that entire country unstable, along with more of the Middle East, and all we have done is make more people loathe Americans. All Bush wanted out of this was more power and more money. He thought he could waltz right in there, kick Saddam out, have complete power and control, and take the money. Well, we did kick out Saddam, but I can't really say we did much more than that. And I don't know if anyone has heard, but gas prices are yet again on the rise, and is supposed to increase a total of .20+ this month alone! It's ridiculous! Now think, was it really worth it?

End rant...

im assuming your talking about the second gulf war.....

conner quote: [This planet has a MAJOR problem of over-population and our resources are becoming a bit more limited. Yea yea, it may be killing a "human" life, but it's not the end of the world, it's called "controlled population growth".]

hmm....... relates sorta


but anways, there was obviously a connection between iraQ and al-Qaeda, if you cant see the connection, your blind...


if it was for personal gain... then as conner says that price for gas is rising, how is it really a gain?, wouldnt that help you realize that it MIGHT have not been for the oil. its just funny how the better the technologies get the less casualties there is, and yet people cant even compare that to ww2 or 1... the middle east has always been unstable, our little war effort is just little part of it, the middle east doesnt revolve around iraq, we are there, we will remain there for what ever time we need, there is no point of bringing up the bad, do what you must, the only reason this war is like really looked on is because bush is the one who decided to go there, if it was some other president there porbably wouldnt really be that much focus on it......


hmm haha it isnt really thought out

Well, I think that Bush really rushed into this whole thing a bit too quickly. I'm sure even you would agree that this war was a bit rushed and the planning wasn't up to par with previous battles and wars. True, many a worse things have happened which the United States has been involved in, but the reason this war is so talked about is the fact that there has been no other war that has been so televised and talked about on the radio and everywhere. In this day and age, the press is just unavoidable. But to say that people critisize the war just because our president is Bush, is just wrong. You know how many people critisized Clinton? And what about the short time JFK was around? And then there was Hoover and FDR. There are plenty of presidents that were critisized for their roles in war. And a few just happened to not turn out so well (ie: Vietnam, Bay of Pigs). Any president would be critisized. But Bush just happened to not plan things out that well. He rushed the intelligence, and in his haste, he missed crucial intelligence data and didn't plan his battle strategy that well. In this on-going battle (since it's technically not a war, which is complete non-sense), it has drained out economy of it's former luster. Yes, we are back on the rise, but slowly.

I have many reasons and counter-reasons for lots of things regarding the Second Gulf War ("Iraq War").

falling asleap reading conners post you post for to long it makes stoners like me get bored and sleepy



the war is bullshit we shouldnt be there on account of all those people who protested the war they walked ino dc over one million of them and we still went to war

power of the people states if the people of the united states do not aggree with the governments actions the unanumiss vote of the people held by the people without the government connsent the people can over throw the government to new laws and reason.



this is what should have happend and we should have started over almost the same but not the whole way

we should have kept the form of government because its almost flawlless not saying america isnt fucked up allready but its pretty dam good but to remove those fllaws is to remove the people in power start over as the peoples image of how it should be run you remove the president the cia the fbi take it all away and start over without hidding things from the people in cover ups and false truthes.

we should be more open to the rest of the world in a peacfull way other countrys should be free to run how they want.

rather than have dictator ship in any countrys because that form of power wont work anymore the changing times have become less barberick dictator ship will be over run with human right and human nature

people should be libberated


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Conner I agree, most people hate going to war just because its Bush. I predict that there is a huge portion of america that hates Bush, because other people hate Bush. They don't bother to check up any facts, or figure out anything for themselves. They hear and they believe.


Sean, just because 1 million people were against going to war doesnt mean he'll not go to war. If you hadn't noticed he got more votes in this election than ANY other president in history (mostly due to population increase). So don't say that more than 50% didnt support the war, because you dont know. If more than 50% of America were to openly say they did not support the war, then something might be done.


Our system of government is fine. We have people like Bush in office because WE put him there (not us, Americans). Next time they elect a president, YOU will choose who will be up there and that is when you choose who you think will do the best to you, its a completely fair system.

yeah bush got more votes because kerry is a fucktard it would have been wors with him in office besides the end of the drug war








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War is not the answer. The only fighting we should ever do, is defense of our own country....which in a sense...was the whole terrorism thing...but it's not fair to attack an entire country.

Iraq had how much to do with all the terrorism?

I agree with you about the fact that we really shouldn't go to war (accept on defensive terms only), but attacking a country like that is completely overboard. If you want, target the terrorists/organization itself, but the this war is just too much.

it had alot to do with iraq for reasons of the origin of where alqueda started and was run it is where the plans were thought out for attack it is where the terrorists are hidding it is where wepons of mass destruction could have been found who really knew that aisa would have them before sadam. iraq was attacked for bullshit reasons i think we should pull out and stop losing the fight




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I dunno, I don't think it had much to do with the majority of Iraq.
The majority of Iraq is made up of normal people like us and teenagers that watch mtv and such.
I knew a chick who came here from Iraq because the US was a huge threat to her family.
She was OBSESSED with the Backstreet Boys even before she came here.
Anyway, ya...shoulda just been the terrorists specifically.
And I don't think it's cool to just walk in to a country who's had a completely different history than ours, and try to plant our government values on them.
Sure, democracy works for us, and we wonder why it wouldn't work just as great for others.
But they have their own roots, and we have ours.
I know our intentions are good, but its not right, or fair.
If some country invaded us, and tried to overthrow our government and plant their own, we'd be pissed.
Because we have our own roots.
Just....
Not cool...
To each his own.

Use grammar!!!


Although I disagree with the war, I think if we ABSOLUTELY had to go in, we should have gone in earlier. We gave them like 4 months notice that we were planning on going to war to completely clear the place out. (thats if I remember right, if not, ignore this entire paragraph)


If someone invaded our country and tried to change it, I'd be against it, but if my country was as fucked up as Iraq was, I'd probably support it.

I pretty much agree with everything conner said. There was almost no reason to go in other than oil. I agree getting saddam out of power was a good thing, but honestly how much of a threat did he pose?

We now know for a fact that there were ABSOLUTELY NO weapons of mass destruction in iraq. We also know that saddam had virtually no links at all to Al-Qaeda. 1500 of our soldiers have died, not to mention all the civilian and coalition forces. If anything weve made the country more unstable, by giving terrorists the chance to attack americans. I guess what gets me though, is the fact that bush wont admit his mistake. Not to mention, as conner said the gas prices are still going up, probably because all the middle eastern countries hate us even more now.

Also, just to say this, and what about Bush and the economy??!! I mean, he finally just started trying to fix the economy up, but the damage has been done, and our generation is going to pay for it, literally too.

Do you -live- in Iraq? Do you -know- it's fucked up? Did the big bad Americans tell you that it was fucked up there?

"I'm Afraid of Americans" --David Bowie + Trent Reznor from NIN