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 Blue Surrey on eWillys - $1500, Wish I was in Dixie
glennstin
Posted: Nov 14 2011, 10:20 AM


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F Bill
Posted: Nov 14 2011, 09:41 PM


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I sent the seller an email, we will see if he replies...So far, nothing.I wonder if it has floors? Bumpers and hubcaps and a spare tire cover are worth a bunch...


EDIT AFTER PURCHASING JEEP: Bumpers and hubcaps were nice. Spare tire cover is good only as a pattern, the vinyl is fragile as a fallen leaf. Bumpers had been painted at one point, need some straightening, but are very rechromeable. I'm looking for a suggestion on who to use.


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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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glennstin
Posted: Nov 17 2011, 11:15 AM


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UPDATE: This ad has been deleted by its author this morning. No other info is known at this time.


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F Bill
Posted: Nov 25 2011, 09:51 AM


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Serial number on this one is 17509....Pictures may be found at http://community.webshots.com/album/581870...vhost=community

Got the seller to substantially drop the price as it is really a parts jeep and severely rotted. BUT it is an original Surrey. There are a few tidbits that I can salvage,probably still overpaid for what is there. Even the original wheels are junk. MAYBE i can save one or two. The spare is a Goodyear and looks as if it COULD be the original 6.40 15 tire.. take a look .

If any of you guys go to the albums I would appreciate your thoughts on the upholstery.....reupholstered or original vinyl? It seems to have the right texture vinyl but backsides of seats are not striped, just one sewn in white stripe on blue vinyl. As an example of the rusting.....the seat frames fell thru the floor on the way home along with the remains of the gas tank.Totally rotted away, just flaky rust held together by the covers.

Anything that was protected from the rain rotted badly as it was salt covered. The stainless hubcaps and painted over but bent bumpers fared OK. Water pump is seized, engine as well. Windshield is saveable, glass and wipers no. It has the brackets for the fender straps tho. Footman loops are very thin but might be OK. Top bows are junk, but the rods that go over the doors and the windshield to fiorst bow brace are excellent. Go figure.

This has got to be the worst rot I have seen in a Surrey ever. Seller's Amphicar is sold and even worse rot. Same with the WWII Duck. His house...well there were a few chimney pieces there, and a foundation. What an incredible mess that storm still has left, years later. The orange grove that surrounded his property is a tangled jungle, needing a severe drought and brush fire to clean it up. Up the road a mile or so was a large machine shed, with a roof on it still but the walls all washed away leaving a few sheets of tin left and the framing.

Don't mess with hurricanes!


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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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colin
Posted: Nov 25 2011, 05:07 PM


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Well, Bill, you have your hands full here. Are you sure this poor Surrey only went through Katrina and not a couple of others before? The 70-71 LA. plate might indicate it has been sitting out for 40 years like that. Katrina was probably just the straw that broke the camel's back. You have a few salvageable parts and to be honest, I can't tell you about the interior as far as being original, but it could be. The fabric sooks similar to what I have seen on two unrestored pink Surreys, but the pattern on the seat backs might be different, as I believe they were striped on the back. Most Surreys came with whitewall tires, unlike the spare on yours, which is blackwall. Goodyear or BF Goodrich were brands that were on Jeep products back then. 13,000 miles before the speedo either broke or wasn't used since the 60s makes me thin the tires might have been a second set. I recall tires not lasting more than 10-15,000 miles back in the early 60s Good luck with this poor little Surrey! I will add it to the data base.
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F Bill
Posted: Nov 25 2011, 08:21 PM


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So far the junk parts include frame, gas tank, floors seat frames, all brake lines, all brake hydraulics,tranny crossmember, exhaust, springs , hangers, ubolts, two wheels......engine may or may not be rebuildable, it still has oil in it which is surprising.

When I get time I will find the engine serial number... The LA plate was probably the owner before last, whose father bought it for her to drive to school. Someone did a poor 70's style restoration, including bondo over the entire front floor and fender tops. many of the rot places now are peeling body filler. So it isn't the first time it was a rotten jeep.

Surprisingly, the chrome grab handles are not rotted away, and might actually be saveable. The hubcaps are in excellent shape. Bumpers, bent but worth saving. Steps could be saved but are pretty holey. Windshield I think I will save. Not a lick of upholstery is good except for patterns. Fenders are saveable which surprises me.

The jeep went thru Katrina, was under 20 feet of salt water, then sat for months in the tangled pile of trash that was his shed, before the owner got home. He never did rinse it down to get the salt water out....and the only reason it isn't all completely gone is it had a pretty decent coat of paint on it. the frame was not protected with any paint, and most of it is scaled badly, and by the pedals I could brake off chunks of the upper and lower flange.easily. A DUKW he is selling had a pretty worn out paint job and it was now mostly air, like the Amphicar which was shiny before Katrina...And it has been 6 years since of muggy, hot summers.

I have enough parts in the yard to build this one back, if I want to rebuild the tub from the cowl back. It wouldn't be economical tho.... I also need all the goodies off this one to build my own Surrey up, which has a nice solid frame and tub. So I have a feeling this will be a reference jeep for now and slowly lose its parts to the other Surrey. It has a valid VIN plate but no title.


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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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glennstin
Posted: Nov 26 2011, 09:57 AM


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CONGRATULATIONS!! Bill, (I Guess). I'm sure others will chime in here with ideas. Mine is exactly like yours, use it as an example. Only I'd go one step further. First, I'd try the old oil trick to stop rust as best as you can. Then I'd lighten it as much as possible and mount it on a display stand some way as a tribute to Katrina. This may be one of the best Katrina escapees you folks in Texas received and didn't cost nearly as much. It certainly will attract attention, and you will go to it for reference often. That's mighty fine paint holding her together. No one else on the planet has a Willys Surrey like yours, and we all have The DJ3A Bulletin Board on The CJ3B Page to thank for the trip. That slide show is a real trip.


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colin
Posted: Nov 26 2011, 02:31 PM


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How do you think those two lizards got into the speedometer between the face and the glass? Did they drown or die of starvation? HAHA! Those hubcaps are probably the most valuable part of that whole deal. I know you have been trying to find a set for about a year or so, right?
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F Bill
Posted: Nov 26 2011, 09:07 PM


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Ya know, I thought that was a funny mud stain on the speedo...now I gotta go back and check out the picture. The spare had a live lizard on it, when we pulled the cover off it scurried away.
Yes, the hubcaps are the prize......and all are very nice. one has a small ding. I have been looking ever since I bought the blue surrey project out of OK, and turned down a set that cost less than this jeep......(I think Emil may have that set now. )

Hmm, a Katrina memorial.....Well in my experience if left as is this jeep will disappear in a few more years, but I might bring it to a show once before I do take it apart.

On the way home I washed it and lightened it by quite a few pounds. I hadn't made it more than 5 miles away from the seller and the gas tank fell out, along with the remains of the exhaust.....I probably had a few people cussing me out for all the brown trash falling off my trailer on the way home. I deposited about a cubic foot of rust in the trash where most of the pics were taken. I realize I have no engine compartment pics but it looks pretty normal there...no air filter, looks like it had the small carb filter and not the oil bath. No generator or regulator either. Everything else is there....Radiator looks like it will save. Firewall looks pretty nice and unmolested too.


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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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F Bill
Posted: Nov 30 2011, 09:09 AM


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Got thinking about Colin's comment re the tire replacements.....The wheels that were on it did have H-15 tires, which were a size used in the early 70's,and they were probably not original. The spare looks relatively unused, I wonder if Willys used blackwall spares with whitewall ground tires? It would have been covered in the showroom anyway.BUT it would have meant having two different tires in stock too. If there was a shortage of the Whitewalls, it may have made sense. Does anyone have a proven original spare for their own Surrey?

Those lizards sure are a gory lookin' part of history now. Wow.

I have been looking up Port Sulpher Katrina pictures... Very incredible stuff, looks like most of the houses just floated into the street or each other. the ground is covered in most of the pics with a layer of building materials, 2 by 4's , sheet metal, plywood, and trees... Unbelievable messes. Anyone who sees those pictures and decides to weather out a hurricane in their own home is insane.


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59 convertible 15933 needs drivetrain
60 convertible 17052 has a V6 and 4WD
60 Surrey 17509 went thru Katrina and looks it.
60 Surrey 17918 started it all...Toyota axle, BW
Wrecked Surrey Tub with fenders and grille
56 tub, from 11826
And a couple parts DJ's with no ID left.
All my jeeps are projects....only runner is my
DJ with doors..
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