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| gianas |
Posted: May 28 2012, 11:51 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 284 Member No.: 1,474 Joined: 24-April 12 |
Two questions: Just got a 1960 3B in need of much restoration. I have many concerns, questions, and little knowledge. There were three owners before me: the military, a railroad, and a man who abused the heck out of the jeep. My two questions, here, are: (1) “Does anyone know, by looking at the photos, if this motor appears to be configured in such a way that it would lead you to believe it could be the original engine installed in this 3B. I have a receipt for a $500 rebuild in 1989, which could account for the unoriginal blue paint. Also, I’ve been told that crankcase ventilation is proper, but I can’t see that is the case. (2) How and where is the crankcase ventillation proper, original? It doesn’t look that way to me. I believe there should be a vent tube on the oil filler, but that’s a guess based on nearly no knowledge.
Thanks, Greg ![]() ![]() ![]() -------------------- Greg Gianas
Redmond, Washington 1954 3B, daily driver; old, beat up but still strong, last vehicle I'll probably ever own, purchased May 2012; first vehicle and jeep owned: back in 1965-66 (1965 CJ-5, Hurricane 134 engine); no better memories |
| Rus Curtis |
Posted: May 28 2012, 05:00 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 786 Member No.: 11 Joined: 16-October 08 |
Greg,
Oh Lord, where do I start. First and foremost, this website has an incredible amount of information on it. But, if you are going to work on your jeep, you need a Service Manual. It describes how everything works and how to service all components. Now the engine number should be checked to see if it fits with your year make. http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Hurricane.html Look at the links and then study the engine photos for your year group. There are alterations I see concerning your plug wire retainers (they look fabricated) and the throttle linkage spring is not right either. And please get a sturdy battery hold down before you have another problem. Looks like the hood hinge has had a few alterations also. There may be more but that's what I see. We've covered the PCV systems here several times. Unfortunately, I can't see what you have as the pics don't go down far enough to include the exhaust valve cover. You can use the Search function up at the top to see some of the other posts concerning PCV set ups or read here: http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Tech/ServiceBulletins1.html Study here, read your Service Manual and we'll help where we can. -------------------- Rus Curtis
'54 CJ-3B Bantam T3-C |
| oldtime |
Posted: May 29 2012, 11:14 AM
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MODERATOR Group: Co-Admin Posts: 3,553 Member No.: 3 Joined: 12-July 08 |
Can you supply a close up of the upper portion of the oil filler tube ?
Concerning engine originality: http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/SerialNos/EngineNosPlot.html -------------------- 1953 TRANS-VINTAGE CJ-3B / AC 4693 fuel pump / YF 938 SD / Hurricane / 9-1/4" Auburn clutch / T90-C / 2.46 ratio D-18 / Warn O.D. / 5.375 final drive / Powr Lok Front + Rear / Dualmatic drive flanges / deluxe Koenig half cab / 12 volt generator
2nd full re-build using the best from all vintages of CJ-3B 1962 OPTIONAL-STOCK CJ-3B / Warn O.D. / Tigertop / Transport yellow (orange) Currently serving as my one and only DAILY DRIVER St Louis |
| johnrb |
Posted: May 30 2012, 10:41 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 438 Member No.: 404 Joined: 26-January 09 |
The accordion hose from air cleaner to carb horn is collapsed in the middle. Possibly choking the engine for air.
If you're lucky, a temporary fix: loosen the clamps at both ends of the hose don't remove the hose from either fitting just rotate (twist) the hose 180 degrees in its clamps so the collapsed part is now on the outside of the bend - it may stay opened up if not, replace - but beware, most of the reproduction hoses are rubbish, they either split or collapse as you're trying to install them. -------------------- John Burch - west burbs of Chicago
1949 - me - older than any of my vehicles 1954 3B - mostly stock - fun driver and snow plowing 1957 - 6 cyl Station Wagon - hope for the future past Willys 1954 3B - no tub | 1959 3B - engine in pieces in a box past addiction - VW 1969 Bus | 1970 Westfalia Camper | 1984 Westfalia Camper |
| Bob |
Posted: May 30 2012, 02:39 PM
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Bob Group: Members Posts: 973 Member No.: 77 Joined: 30-October 08 |
That's not the right carb either
-------------------- Bob
1953 CJ3B 1965(?) CJ5 1964 David Brown 880e |
| gianas |
Posted: May 31 2012, 01:54 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 284 Member No.: 1,474 Joined: 24-April 12 |
sorry I haven't replied, yet; new to this forum stuff; thought the only time someone responded would be when an email said I had a response.
I'll supply better photos. As far as me not having the right carb; I know it's not the right carb, but I don't know what the "right" one is. Just saying it's not right isn't a whole lot of help. How about telling me what the "right carb" is. fixing the accordion hose is a good idea. If you have a good one, where did you get it? greg -------------------- Greg Gianas
Redmond, Washington 1954 3B, daily driver; old, beat up but still strong, last vehicle I'll probably ever own, purchased May 2012; first vehicle and jeep owned: back in 1965-66 (1965 CJ-5, Hurricane 134 engine); no better memories |
| oldtime |
Posted: May 31 2012, 11:26 AM
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The main way to determine if the engine is original to this particular Jeep is via the engine number.
Please identify the engine number located on the front of the engine block above the water pump and below the head. If the number is not visable it indicates that the engine block was "decked" (milled for flatness by a machinist) -------------------- 1953 TRANS-VINTAGE CJ-3B / AC 4693 fuel pump / YF 938 SD / Hurricane / 9-1/4" Auburn clutch / T90-C / 2.46 ratio D-18 / Warn O.D. / 5.375 final drive / Powr Lok Front + Rear / Dualmatic drive flanges / deluxe Koenig half cab / 12 volt generator
2nd full re-build using the best from all vintages of CJ-3B 1962 OPTIONAL-STOCK CJ-3B / Warn O.D. / Tigertop / Transport yellow (orange) Currently serving as my one and only DAILY DRIVER St Louis |
| johnrb |
Posted: May 31 2012, 04:05 PM
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I don't have one. The P.O. threw away the hose and air horn, replacing them with a little hot rod air cleaner sitting on top of the carb. See it here, about half way down the page: http://home.comcast.net/~jrburch_h/jeep/condition_1.html Lame. -------------------- John Burch - west burbs of Chicago
1949 - me - older than any of my vehicles 1954 3B - mostly stock - fun driver and snow plowing 1957 - 6 cyl Station Wagon - hope for the future past Willys 1954 3B - no tub | 1959 3B - engine in pieces in a box past addiction - VW 1969 Bus | 1970 Westfalia Camper | 1984 Westfalia Camper |
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| gianas |
Posted: Jun 1 2012, 12:01 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 284 Member No.: 1,474 Joined: 24-April 12 |
I'll do what's suggested and describe the results. Thank you.
-------------------- Greg Gianas
Redmond, Washington 1954 3B, daily driver; old, beat up but still strong, last vehicle I'll probably ever own, purchased May 2012; first vehicle and jeep owned: back in 1965-66 (1965 CJ-5, Hurricane 134 engine); no better memories |
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