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Title: Has HMS Wolfe been found in Lake Ontario?


Andy in West Oz - August 24, 2008 11:26 PM (GMT)
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A Lake Ontario shipwreck hunter claims to have discovered a legendary vessel from the War of 1812 - the 32-metre sloop HMS Wolfe, star of one of the most dramatic naval battles on the Great Lakes at the height of the U.S. invasion of Canada.

The ship, renamed HMS Montreal later in the war, was the Canadian-made flagship of commodore James Yeo, commander of the inland British fleet during the crucial struggle against the Americans for control of the lakes.

In a famous 1813 engagement known as the Burlington Races, a damaged Wolfe was under intense fire near present-day Toronto but just managed to escape the enemy assault by retreating rapidly westward to a gun-protected shore near Burlington Bay.

Photos of under water wreckage of several War of 1812 British warships in Lake Ontario. The ships were scuttled, purposely sunk, in waters off Kingston in 1914. A wreck hunter claims to have discovered the HMS Wolfe, a vessel involved in the naval battle on the Great Lakes at the height of the U.S invasion of Canada.
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A defeat in that battle - which came just days after a major U.S. victory on Lake Erie - could have given the Americans free rein in the lower lakes and, according to a leading War of 1812 naval historian, made certain Ontario became "a state of the American union."

The ship, which was involved in numerous battles throughout the 1812-1814 war, was scuttled years after the war in waters off Kingston, Ont., along with several other vessels that had outlived their usefulness in peacetime Upper Canada.

But Kingston-based diver Kenn Feigelman says he's found, on the murky lakebottom at an undisclosed location near the city, a ships' graveyard with four War of 1812-era wrecks - including, he believes, the Wolfe. And he told Canwest News Service on Friday that he expects the discovery to generate international interest ahead of the bicentennial of the war in 2012.

"Although these were derelict vessels," he said, "they are a very, very important part of not only Canadian but North American history."

Depending on the outcome of the battles fought by the Wolfe - which carried 20 cannon and 200 crew - and the other ships in Britain's Lake Ontario squadron, the "political geography of North America could have been completely different," said Feigelman, a Montreal native who now runs Kingston-based DeepQuest2 Expeditions.

He and his dive team have captured sonar images and photographs of the sunken hulks and adjacent debris fields, but Feigelman insists the wreck sites will not be disturbed and that all information gathered is being shared with Parks Canada archeologists.

The find follows the discovery earlier this year of the Revolutionary War-era HMS Ontario and a major Parks Canada-led probe of the Hamilton and Scourge, two American ships from the War of 1812 that went down in a storm near Hamilton.

Marc-Andre Bernier, Ottawa-based manager of operations for Parks Canada's underwater archeology unit, said government scientists have conducted surveys off the Kingston shore in the past and identified some potentially significant wreck sites.

He added that any War of 1812 wrecks would be considered "important" and worth investigating, but added that there's "nothing conclusive" yet to determine whether the ships spotted by Feigelman are the same ones already known to Parks Canada, or to prove they include the Wolfe and other vessels under Yeo's command during the war.

"We need to see evidence."

If one of the ships is the Wolfe, its discovery recalls what naval historian Robert Williamson has called "a pivotal engagement that would determine the outcome of the War of 1812."

In a 1999 essay published in Canadian Military History, Williamson reconstructed the events of Sept. 28, 1813, using the logbooks of the Wolfe, which had only recently been opened to researchers by the U.S. national archives in Washington.

The logs had apparently been seized by the Americans after an 1814 battle in which a British officer was killed - apparently enroute to Britain to deliver the Wolfe's records to admiralty headquarters.

The log offered a wealth of new details about the Burlington Races, which had appeared to observers on shore more like "a yacht race" than a naval battle, Williamson wrote.

The historian debunked a popular tale that the British ships had actually vaulted a sandbar to escape their American pursuers, but Williamson concluded that the survival of the Wolfe and the other vessels was a true turning point in Canadian history.

"Yeo's Lake Ontario naval squadron survived the scrape of 28 September as strong as ever," Williamson wrote. "In fact, it went on the offensive in the following spring and helped to capture Fort Oswego . . . By maintaining the integrity of his squadron, Yeo played a far more important role in the events of the War of 1812 that shaped our future than generations of historians have been prepared to grant him."


Andy in West Oz - August 24, 2008 11:27 PM (GMT)
I'm really becoming fascinated with the battles on the Great Lakes during the Revolutionary War. Can anyone recommend a good book on the subject?

tonym5 - August 25, 2008 04:08 AM (GMT)
I recall a book published not long ago about Aaron Burr, I think, winning a naval victory on lake Ticonderoga. Wish I can recall the name of the book or the author's name. It was an important battle in preventing other attempts from the north during the Revolution. Hope that will help you in your search. w: b:

Andy in West Oz - August 25, 2008 09:37 PM (GMT)
Many thanks, Tony. Those clues will lead me to other books as well.

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loren1 - August 28, 2008 05:30 PM (GMT)
There are so many wrecks in the Great Lakes. There are some listed at www.shipwreckworld.com. This site is by some local divers that have found many lost wrecks here.

DirkPitt - August 29, 2008 07:27 AM (GMT)
This one looks interesting ...

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JimmyAEMT-I - September 1, 2008 10:19 AM (GMT)
It would be Fort Ticonderoga on Lake Champlain actually. Its the only Ticonderoga I know of. I live about an hour north of there.

Lake Champlain has a ton of shipwrecks but most have been found. They mapped the bottom of the lake about a decade ago, found many shipwrecks.

There's a few that you don't need to dive on to see. One (I believe its the Water Witch) is about 10 feet below the surface...on a clear day...you can snorkel it.

Andy in West Oz - September 1, 2008 10:42 PM (GMT)
Very cool, Jimmy, re the Water Witch.

Thanks Tony, I'll look into that book further.

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