For those of you CC fans out there I would just like to recommend the adventure books from the Australian author Matthew Reilly. Reillys style is very similar to that of Cussler - Ive read them all & I can't speak highly enough of his books. Unfortunately Mr Reilly doesnt write books at the same rate as Mr C. Anyway, for those of you that have read any of Matthew Reillys books let me know what you think & maybe who you think is the better writer!!!

Welcome to the forum, Apollo! I haven't read any Matthew Reilly yet, but have seen a ton of his books on shelves everywhere.

Aside from having similar styles, are there any other similarities between him and Cussler? Is there anything you think he does better than Clive, or vice versa?

Enjoy your time on the forum, and post often!

Reilly writes nothing more than glorified movie scripts.All action/no substance.
At least Clive writes stuff thats beleivable.Reilly is so over the top that it's almost a parody.OOOO i need to stick my hand through molten lava to open this door but the *hero* takes it with just a little wince and carries on like nothings happened.Give me a break :blink:
Yes fiction is about the suspension of disbelief but Reilly carries it too far and it wrecks the story for me.
the only similarities are the central *hero* in each book and the fact that Cussler is still the master of the genre and Reilly is a bad copy.

Well, there was never any REAL substance to most of Cussler's novels. And, frankly, we don't read them for substance, we read them for escapism and thrills. Otherwise, why bother ? Most of Cussler's plots are outlandish and that's OK,because we all know most of this stuff would never happen. Cussler, like most thriller writers, doesn't have much character development and all of the NUMA characters are one-dimensional. As to action,well, even you have to admit some of the books move kind of slowly (NIGHTPROBE comes to mind),so,in that sense, Reilly gives you much more bang for the buck. And,if you are an Indiana Jones kind of fan that likes seat of your pants make it up as we go along kind of tale,then Reilly's definitely your boy. Nothing wrong with that.

As to believability,well, that's all relative. In every story since DRAGON, we have the author appearing as himself in some way as to actually guide or help the heroes to the plot conclusion.
The amazing thing is they NEVER remember him from book to book!! That's got to be the silliest and most unbelievable plot device yet ! But Cussler didn't stop there. Let's not forget the "Immaculate Conception" of the twins !! That,in and of itself,out reillys Reilly himself.

But comparing these guys is like comparing apples and oranges. Each has their own niche and their own fan base and they all write stuff that people want to read.

But the guy giving Cussler a run for his money is James Rollins. His stories have great action and plots that make you think. His Sigma Force books are great and he has excellent stand along stories and characters as well. Cussler's upcoming problems will be that he has too many series (do we really need FARGO?)happening and too many different authors writing FOR him. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but the quality of the writing is inconsistent and we are not getting Cussler,just images from someone else's perspective.

Which is all the more reason to read many other authors and appreciate what they contribute to the genre as well because someday even Cussler will be knocked off the throne. Happens to the best of us.
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Every one is entilted to belive what they want. Just remember yesterday's science fiction is today's science fact.
I do not believe someone can put their hand in hot lava and not even winch.
Reading other authors is always good for your mind. Read each one with an open mind at least.
Welcome to the Forum Applo. Post often. w:

Hell just got a bit cooler, because I happen to agree with Mr. Kitt on several points here. This one especially:

I'll admit that the original post from our new member, Apollo_95 was a bit of a head scratcher because there really isn't that much similarity.

Now, I won't damn anyone with faint praise. I do happen to think that there is substance to Cussler's work (some novels more than others) and I fundamentally reject most of the cliche criticisms of thillers and action-adventure (i.e. formulaic, one-dimensional), but everyone has different tastes. If you (and I'm talking about critics in general here, not Mr. Kitt) don't like it, don't eat it, but don't assume that you can speak for everyone else.

Thanks for your comments although I need to question Mostly Heeps comment "At least Clive writes stuff thats beleivable". Have you not read 'Raise the Titanic'??

Its true that Reillys books could quite easily be made into films & I believe that the rights to several of his books have been bought by film companies. Im sure you will agree that Cusslers books usually follow a very similar plot line whereas Reilly is more creative with his. Reillys early books were usually based around a specific location ie. Ice Station, Contest & Area 57, but his later books have taken his main character on a worldwide adventure!! If anything his books are getting better and better. The only fault with Reilly is that his books only seem to come out every 2/3 years. I think that when Reilly has been writing for as long as Cussler (I think Reilly is only in his early thirties) then his collection of books is gonna put Mr C in the shade.

Oswalder - if you like Cussler ur gonna love Reilly!! Read Ice Station & let me know what u think - Im sure you'll be hooked after that.

And if you like Cussler and Reilly, there's this other guy you should check out....his name escapes me, but he writes about this guy named Nick Kismet. th:

Mr Ellis, tsk,tsk, that is a shameless plug on your part. And need I point out the similarities between MY name and that of your character. Take out the "sme" and well.....close enough.

Least you could do is send me a book.

However, I will accept it as a compliment and a tribute,of sorts,especially if he's handsome,brave, and always gets the girl.

I'll let you know where to send the royalty check along with the ARC of your latest. Hope it's a thick novel. I have a dresser with a broken leg--LOL !!!

I for one don't think that is a shameless plug at all, especially on this forum which I do believe promotes authors to share their work with us. If memory serves me correctly I believe Sean co-authored a book about the works of Clive Cussler and Clive loved the book.

I have never read a Matthew Reilly book and have never wanted to based on feedback I've received about his books from various people and from one person in particular whose opinion I value.

Sean keep plugging away. Your books look great sitting next to Clive's on my bookshelf.

Once again you prove you're nothing more than an ignorant prick with your last statement Nick.Why the call for that?


Here's an idea mate. James Rollins will be the keynote speaker at this years CC Con in San Diego...Why don't you attend? Here's a chance to meet 2 of your favorite aauthors and talk to them face to face. rofl

LOL !! Some guys have NO sense of humor. sneener


Rollins the keynote speaker ?!? Nicely done whoever had the smarts to set that up.
Even Cussler sees the big potential in Rollins and can't say I blame him. You can hurt your neck always looking over your shoulder so you might as well as invite him to the party.

And, heep,you really ought to lighten up and chill. You gonna get an ulcer if you haven't got one already. w:

Hey now, I've read your posts and while I usually disagree with your opinions, however it is your privilege to write them, but you come on here and start insulting my friend about plugging his book, well then I need to say something. Why shouldn't he plug it? If you wrote a book, where is the first place you start trying to sell it? Your family and friends. Sean has written an excellent book and like any new author or artist, has to start somewhere getting himself known. What better way to start then having people you know that enjoy the genre hear about it on a BOOK forum?

Send you a book because you have a broken dresser? OMG are you dumb or just stupid? Oh wait, just an ignorant twit looking for a reaction. PLEASE, do not tell me you were joking, I don't buy it. Frankly you've crossed the line too many times here for my liking. I realize these are the reactions you are hoping for and I rarely give in to them, however this angers me. Although I don't care what you think about Clive's writing, you're free to post what you want, just don't personally attack my friends.

Say what you like back, I will not be replying to anything you have to say. I have said what I wanted. Well, actually I haven't, but I'm not a mean person, so I'll leave it at that.

Actually going on your past history here and your posts on Dave's site YOU are the one with no sense of humor.You do nothing but antagonize people then hide behind *oh you have no sense of humor*.....You intentionally attack people for no other reason than you get your jollies from seeing your name in print and the fact that people respond to you.Must be quite the life sitting in mummys basement tapping at a keyboard anonymously.You seem to be an educated man but the majority of your statements are extremely childish.


As for Clive picking Rollins?..he has nothing to do with the selection.It comes from the Clive Cussler Collectors Society.
I didn't think you'd come to the Con..it would mean there'd be no keyboard to hide behind and you'd have to talk to Clive personally.Sean will be there too I'm told th: ...he could probably tell you how to fix your broken dresser

Relax,everyone. Stop taking everything so seriously. First, I was joking (whether you believe it or not) with Mr Ellis.I would consider his reaction to be the definitive one. Usually when one follows a statement with LOL it means a joke. If, on the other hand, that is not the procedure here,then I stand corrected. I am sure Mr Ellis is an accomplished writer and more power to him.

I am a firm believer,however, in occasionally getting and giving a kick in our own complicity. We should never take any of your good fortunes for granted and be reminded they are all hard earned.
You all do so by your reactions and that is a great thing. Passion about what one does and believes in is a good thing and we should fight fiercely to protect it. So, good for you, one and all.

Just a laugh a little once in a while. To use an overused cliche,it IS the best medicine.

I knew Cussler doesn't pick the speaker,just wasn't exactly sure who did. Thanks for the info.
But Rollins is a great choice for many reasons,including the ones I mentioned.

In all fairness,heep, my "mummy" has been gone now for several years and I still miss her to this day. She was a fine woman. But hardly a basement as you suggest. After the military, I was able to secure a nice living arrangement high in the Catskill mountains (NIGHTPROBE landscape) where I am currently overlooking my beautiful and beloved mountains near Woodstock,NY. No real summer yet,though. It's July 9th and temp still hasn't got past 72 and that's ridiculous for this time of year. We should be sweltering and it feels like late Fall. The winters here are long enough !! So, we need Summer weather and soon.

For the record,I would have no problem speaking with either gentleman. Cussler seems like a reasonable man and I'm sure we could discuss any criticisms with a becoming grace. Same for Mr Ellis. If you chose a profession that includes a public life,then one would think one should be prepared for what the public THINKS,no matter how it's said,don't you ?? This is not the profession for thin egos that batter easily.


Not every situation,as heep would suggest,need be handled "like a dog".

Seems like certain people are long winded with their opinions which makes it hard for me to pay much attention to because I prefer to read short/medium size posts and don't spend that much time on the forum when I am on it. Nonetheless, I am getting the feeling theres someone who is none too popular. I value a variety of opinions but have on occasion myself gotten on a high horse when I am speaking passionately on something I care about. The thing about that of course is that few people care about the same things as I do. Sometimes it is the better part of valor to keep quiet when you know that your long posts can and will be ignored. Forums may be a way for some to express themselves but often these online communities can degenerate into squabbling and wind up lost in the process.

Duly noted.

I know my views aren't popular. All the more reason to re-enforce yours. Mr. Ellis,being in the military, will understand that.

But I will answer any challenge with all the respect they deserve.

Hey guys-
How about some pictures of the beautiful landscapes from where you live-Catskills and Pacific Northwest? Just an idea.

And it's a wonderful one at that,rowan, I'll see what I can do.....Thanks for suggesting it.

Wow. You know, I originally had a big detailed post about Matt Reilly's books and whether this discussion was relevant, but then I decided just to have some fun. Since the original discussion was "if you like Cussler, then you might like Matt Reilly, I felt it was appropriate to take that the next step.

Yes, it was a shameless plug. All authors--and this goes even for the bestselling ones--are shameless and will take any publicity they can get.

As to whether Nick Kitt can make any claim on Nick Kismet...well, I can only say that I've been a member here and using that as my screen name since Sept. 2004, almost two years before Mr. Kitt made his first appearance. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, though I'd love to think that I inspired someone to adopt a particular Nick-name. I don't see anyway that it could possibly be construed the other way around.

Here's the weird part. My real name is Sean M Ellis. If you take the SME out of Nick Kismet, you're left with... whoa, now I've really got a headache.

"Yes, it was a shameless plug. All authors--and this goes even for the bestselling ones--are shameless and will take any publicity they can get."---NICK KISMET

Thanks,Mr Ellis. I guess some people here don't understand that "shameless plug" isn't an insult.
It's a right--LOL !!


"As to whether Nick Kitt can make any claim on Nick Kismet...well, I can only say that I've been a member here and using that as my screen name since Sept. 2004, almost two years before Mr. Kitt made his first appearance. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, though I'd love to think that I inspired someone to adopt a particular Nick-name. I don't see anyway that it could possibly be construed the other way around."---NICK KISMET

I wasn't trying to construe anything,really. Just having a laugh at your expense. But,truth be told, Nick Kitt was the name I used in the military back in 1969. Nothing sinister,just had to create distance from my Dad who was a full bird colonel. I've been using it since then and I don't mean to suggest you saw it somewhere and named your character after it. Just my name since the late 60's and it's served me well.


"Here's the weird part. My real name is Sean M Ellis. If you take the SME out of Nick Kismet, you're left with... whoa, now I've really got a headache."--NICK KISMET


LOL !!!--I rest my case, your honor.....

It wasn't the shameless plug that offended me.
It was the fact that you think Seans book is worth nothing more than holding up a broken dresser.You may have thought you were being funny but I found it to be in very poor taste.But then I expect nothing less from you old boy

I don't know how I originally missed this too Sean and if I didn't know you so well I would say you are flipping a coin there in the great North. Heads you are Sean, Tails you are Nick.

"It wasn't the shameless plug that offended me."

That's a relief ! I wouldn't want to offend you,especially since I wasn't talking to you.

"It was the fact that you think Seans book is worth nothing more than holding up a broken dresser."

Mr Ellis wasn't offended and knew I was joking which, obviously, you didn't.

"You may have thought you were being funny but I found it to be in very poor taste."

Poor taste, along with your lack of intelligence, is calling someone an "ignorant prick",especially when a remark is not made to you.

"But then I expect nothing less from you old boy"

Nor I, from you...

"Handle every situation like a dog"

"If you can't eat it or hump it
Piss on it and walk away"

THAT pretty much sum it up,Heep? Add "or can't understand it",too.

Yeah, it does.


"I don't know how I originally missed this too Sean and if I didn't know you so well I would say you are flipping a coin there in the great North. Heads you are Sean, Tails you are Nick."

No offense meant,but what exactly does this mean ?

"Here's the weird part. My real name is Sean M Ellis. If you take the SME out of Nick Kismet, you're left with... whoa, now I've really got a headache."--NICK KISMET

"I don't know how I originally missed this too Sean and if I didn't know you so well I would say you are flipping a coin there in the great North. Heads you are Sean, Tails you are Nick."-EMPRESS

No offense meant,but what exactly does this mean ?- NICK KITT


Sean actually explained the SME part and it was pretty weird. I got this really dimensional image of you guys rotating around a Magic Mirror going somewhere Into the Black and and battling it out with Sea Wraiths and least you hope that's what they are, it could just as well be The Devil You Know. I know The Scar will show upon the one who is adventurous enough to break through that Magic Mirror, grab the bird and take that Falcon's Flight, crashing through that Magic Mirror, away from the Sea Wraiths going toward the light not Into the Black away from The Devil You know and reach and grab The Shroud of Heaven.

You know, it means something like that. :') Man I need more coffee!

LOL !!! This little tale made my day. Thank you.

I don't think you need any coffee. You have a great imagination or it's the mushrooms--LOL !

Maybe Mr Ellis and I are kindred spirits after all.


As for me, I 'm hitting the beach for a couple of days........

No mushrooms and I did have some inspiration for the answer. Glad I could make your day and I can't wait to see the pics from your view of the Catskills.