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 #760 X-Rated Romance, Awwww riii-wait, what?
Algasir
Posted: Feb 18 2012, 07:26 PM


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You know someone's crazy when someone like Kefka is surprised.
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aturtledoesbite
Posted: Feb 18 2012, 07:40 PM


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I don't think she's crazy. The way I see it, she realized she had to get Locke away from the girl ASAP. The multi-dimensional knowledge granted to her by Sorrow allowed her to know that being sent into the X-Zone isn't death (Note that she's the only one who knows this at the moment, so everyone else thinks she just killed her husband). If Alex is lucky, the X-Zone leads into Nexus.

On another note, I wonder why Alex mentioned to take note of Celes's memory? Is it possibly hinting at the War of Fire and Ice?

Also, always glad to see the Vanish>X-Zone trick. biggrin.gif
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Posted: Feb 18 2012, 07:47 PM


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Kefka's just crazy... not Touched. Likewise only in reverse for Celes.

While I would love to know where poor Locke got sent (Nexus is possible but seems to easy), what I REALLY want to know is exactly what Celes got zapped with. How much does she know, now? Is this standard 'touched' status, or something else... and if it's pertinent at all that she touched the girl when whatever happened happened, rather than being... 'found', for lack of a better word.


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Posted: Feb 18 2012, 07:52 PM


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Hmm, something I just noticed.

Kefka: "It's the end of the world, you fools! And it shall end not with a whimper, but with a sob!"

I wonder what exactly he means by that? Is he referring to the girl's crying over her mother's death? Or does he know something he shouldn't? We need to remember that no matter how much like Kefka this is, he's only alive due to the Shard. It's possible that his recreation by the Shard has him more akin to a Touched than a non-Touched, even though he shows none of the signs.
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mordain
Posted: Feb 18 2012, 07:59 PM


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I interpreted it as "the world is ending because a girl is crying about her (presumably) dead mother", but he could have some insight. We've had examples of touched characters being able to suppress the purple text, Kefka could simply be insane enough to overwhelm the text color. He certainly does seem to know a lot more than he ought to have - although there was likewise and awful lot that he got wrong.


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Posted: Feb 18 2012, 08:26 PM


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One thing I keep forgetting is that Kefka was (re)created by the shard.

And yet, given he seems to be in his full faculties, he should have a slight sense of deja vu right here.

This scene actually reminded me of the Magitek Lab, albeit in reverse. Celes warping out could do nothing as the source of the energy was right there. If she, in her last moment of sanity, wanted to save someone, Warp couldn't work. I'm glad others remembered that little bit re: X-Zone. (And the fools who use it on DoomGaze instead of Doom and crying "Dude, where's my Bahamut?" provide a sort-of Watsonian support; isn't it nice when "bugs" actually obey the local physics?)

On the other hand, this is, what, the second "love of his life" that Locke has "lost" now? And he's supposed to be the leader of the Resistance to the Sovereign on/for that world?

I'm also inferring that Kidia's tantrum would only be the same as Roll's, except perhaps stronger and there would be no Retro-Mega to counteract it: i.e. it'll just make everyone in a certain area (or perhaps the world?) more susceptible to the Sovereign's call (through Celes' voice if Kidia gets blown up?), not outright destruction. In other words, Disruption, not Annihilation. After all, there's no song as yet... (though for there to have been a "fat" lady in the room would mean that L&C would have engaged in some pre-nuptial "activity".) Heck, to imply that Celes would be Lucca's future opponent would be to imply at least her continued physical existence...

EDIT: Again, had Setzer not been in such a rush earlier, he might have used the Falcon to outrun the Sorrow-Wave if it was not planetary.

On a side note: the only thing that would've made it better would have been if A: Gau was there and not just an anti-aliasing aftereffect and B: She was able to target all of the friendlies in the room. Because if she did warp out all 5 of those guys, then she would've save the same people that she saved at that Lab. (Plus Cyan would've bolstered Locke afterwards.) Then again, Vanish is only single-target, so... (Then again, again, had Gau been there, he would've been Vanished already as well, so that would have been 2 people saved... and it's usually the unaccounted for that affect matters the most...)

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Posted: Feb 18 2012, 09:47 PM


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QUOTE (mordain @ Feb 18 2012, 07:59 PM)
I interpreted it as "the world is ending because a girl is crying about her (presumably) dead mother", but he could have some insight.

Aye, that's how I read it the first time, too. But you and turtle have a point: we're still not sure about the specifics of Kefka's rebirth (well, he had an imperfect memory of how he died).

Also: O__O Shiiiiiit.

This will almost certainly be worse than Roll's breakdown. Gotta expect something freaky with the Shard at ground zero.

As for where Locke's wound up... X-Zone might have removed him from play entirely, but here's hoping it hasn't. He might have popped up in Nexus, as people have said. It's probably just the starry spell animation, but I thought the Desert of Shattered Dreams might be a possibility. If so, here's hoping what the voices do with names they've claimed isn't... uniformly bad, should it come to that.

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Posted: Feb 19 2012, 12:57 AM


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If it helps, Dark Hole/Black Hole is likely the same spell, or at least the same effect.


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Posted: Feb 19 2012, 01:09 AM


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Not sure which FF you're referring to that has that spell, but I do remember reading somewhere that X-Zone sends its victims to the Void. You know, that place that Exdeath tried to use to take over the worlds. From what I understand, all Final Fantasy worlds are linked by the Void. This is how Gilgamesh and Ultima Weapon are in several games of the series. However, there's no telling whether the Void is its own place or it is simply the place where all games, Final Fantasy or not, are linked; the Nexus.
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Posted: Feb 19 2012, 01:22 AM


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QUOTE (Gaius @ Feb 18 2012, 05:47 PM)
As for where Locke's wound up... X-Zone might have removed him from play entirely, but here's hoping it hasn't. He might have popped up in Nexus, as people have said. It's probably just the starry spell animation, but I thought the Desert of Shattered Dreams might be a possibility. If so, here's hoping what the voices do with names they've claimed isn't... uniformly bad, should it come to that.

Whatever else befalls, I think that the safest bet is that we'll see Locke again in some capacity.

Heck, I'd call him the anti-Gato, (fitting for the Fire & Ice comparison): Gato was taken offline by Lucca because he was too dangerous to keep operations. Locke was sent between dimensions by Celes in an effort to keep him alive/sane.

Personally, I was thinking we'd be exploring whatever universe monsters that get X-Zoned or equivalent get sent to. But your notion of the Desert sounds legit as well. It's quite possible that he succumbs to despair and becomes possessed himself. (Though with Celes' order that he not forget her, I think that unlikely.)

I'm thinking that he will be sent to the Desert, just in time to meet Mega Man and maybe Alex, depending on what happens with him.

(And, if Gau got zapped with him, then Gau becomes a redshirt ripe for possession.)

On the other, other hand... maybe he'll/they'll meet the Koopalings.

Turtle: Yeah, but that leaves the question of "What happens if you use X-Zone in the Void?"


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Posted: Feb 19 2012, 01:33 AM


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QUOTE (Sir Donald @ Feb 18 2012, 05:22 PM)
Turtle: Yeah, but that leaves the question of "What happens if you use X-Zone in the Void?"

I'd say nothing, but I'm also leaning towards the "void" being the Desert (it's suitable enough even to fit in with Turtle's description of it).

But, assuming the theory about the girl being a young Rydia is correct (I'm still not sold but don't really have any evidence to the contrary to present), it's likely that Turtle is right in one aspect - the Final Fantasy games are connected somehow, aside from just the standard way that all game worlds are connected. Otherwise it's a bit of a strange coincidence that she would end up in FF6. This is as good a way for it to work as any.

...I wonder if it explains how Shadow/Clyde got to Nexus, too?

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Posted: Feb 19 2012, 01:51 AM


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Well, it still works inside the Void in FFV. X-Zone was even used in FFV by Exdeath to send Gilgamesh into the Void.

Assuming Dissidia is canon (unknown since it's not SNES-era), then all FF worlds are indeed connected by the Void, since that's how Shinryu draws the warriors into World B for Chaos and Cosmos to use as their soldiers.

Of course, this is Videoland. There's no telling where Locke is, except for not in Figaro Castle. He could be in the Void. He could be in Nexus. Hell, he could even be in the Mirror World.
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Posted: Feb 19 2012, 04:54 AM


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Well, in FFV, X-Zone/Banish threw the target into the Rift. He may wind up there.

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Rift = Void = X-Dimension = probably other names.

Heh, reminds me of the Goblin = Red Cap = Gobbledygook = Imp = Li'l Murderer = Knocker = Domovoi thing. biggrin.gif
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So, worst-case scenario is that Locke is dead.

However, if killing him was her aim, she could've just cast Death.

So I think he's been flung into some other dimension. Maybe he'll run into Gilgamesh or something.

And I just remembered that this can't actually be the apocalypse, unless Celes does the same to the Figaro Brothers, or something else rescues them from this sorrowsplosion.
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Oooook... sorrow VS Love.. Sorrow wins.


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I don't think Kefka understands what's going on at all, except for purely superficial observations. All he knew at first is that the girl was bringing him back to life repeatedly so that the heroes could take him down again, and he put a stop to that by holding a knife to her throat (which incidentally put him back in control, or so he thought). Then Celes demonstrated that her abilities could affect reality, so he decided to use that to try to get a handle on the girl (and when he found out that her mother was "missing", that was his handle) and cause destruction.

But he doesn't really understand the nature of Sorrow. He doesn't have the first clue that it can be spread from one sprite to another. All he knows, or rather thinks he knows, is that the girl's loss of control is going to cause an apocalypse which will destroy their world and that there's no way to avert it.

And he isn't seeing anything special. Locke specifically said that the girl was getting really glowy a couple of comics before, and there would have been some color to the glow (otherwise, you can't really call it a "glow").


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Did I miss something? Where IS Gau?

And I immediately thought of Gilgamesh too.


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Do we know if there's any FF5 action planned in here? I can already here the Battle on the Big Bridge theme playing.

I wonder - Celes has been corrupted by sorrow, and this has only caused seriously bad joojoo in the past decision-wise. I honestly think one of two things happened: A) She meant to kill Locke to "save" him from whatever this wild purple glow is causing, but he really got transported somewhere Desert of Shattered Dreams-ish, or B) She meant to save Locke, thinking he'd be transported by the X-Zone somewhere safe, and actually killed him.

Think about it. If X-Zone actually teleported you somewhere far and magical, then the jubilee of monsters killed by it throughout the game will be there too. Plausible? We'll see.

And in my opinion, Kefka's just a maniacal 'tard, he's played his role getting the girl to cry, and shall be methodically annihilated in short order.
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My random guess is that Locke will wind up falling right onto Alex's head.
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