#761 - Memories of Oblivion, Or is it 661? Whatever

Okay, Celes is very confused, but I think she came to the same conclusion I did: Kid's mother returning would be a very bad thing. Thank goodness for her normally-useless ability, I guess?

And, great, now Kefka's going to want to destroy all the OTHER worlds too. Thanks, Celes.

Given what that song probably is and who's wielding it, there's no way it wouldn't be Gameworld Over. Of course, in the process of saving the world, she's probably *absorbing the shard itself.* That is a) pretty damn badass, b) probably just gonna delay the inevitable, and c) gonna piss off Alex, Doc Wily, and Marle something fierce.

Useless?

Maybe if you rely solely on magic, I guess. It's good for taking on enemies that abuse magic themselves.

Whose memories? Memories? So, it isn't just an "outside awareness" thing, but knowledge directly from other characters....

Is it a hive-mind knowledge from another touched thing, or from the Sovereign herself?

Not really. Aside from TunnelArmor and the first Kefka fight, where you just simply don't have many options available, all the really bad Runickable magic can be blocked via equipment, Reflect, or just taking the hit. Aside from Ultima, and the only thing in the entire game that uses Ultima unavoidably is fought in a place where Runic is sealed. And Celes has better things to be doing with her turns than waiting in case the enemy might cast a spell and absorbing a few MP.

And, oh yeah, it blocks your own magic. Yeah, it's only the most useful and versatile skillset in the game, who will miss it?

This post has been edited by HeroicJay on Feb 23 2012, 09:26 PM

I suppose it's the Shard's memories? I believe the Shard is symbolic of everything past, hence why Celes also relived her General days. I'd say it's proportional to Lucca's episode with knowing everything future. Whatever knowledge she has, it's obviously extensive, and I mean EXTREMELY extensive. The fact that she went bug-eyed about whatever the girl's about to try means that THAT at least would be world-ending without Superrunic.

This is an unexpected twist on the Void. Hopefully it's something interesting. And I still believe she was going to try to kill the girl. Considering whatever's about to happen it probably would have been a good call.

I'm going to take a leap here and say the Shard took on the memories of Kid Rydia so that the seemingly good intentions in searching for her mother could fool people, when it's actually just Shard seeking to complete its mission. However, this stipulates that the Shard has some connection with those it touches. The effect of the touch of Sorrow has been analyzed and described by Dr. Light, but it's never been said if there's any lasting connection that transmits this Sorrow.

Relevant?

Well, while this doesn't entirely rule out that the girl was meant to have been created in the image of Kidia, it at least clears up pretty well that her mother isn't Rydia's mother - or, at least, that Celes seems to believe it isn't.

So does this mean that the SoS's real hair color is red? That kinda limits who it could possibly be if so - and debunks any theories involving Lana. But (if the Kidia theory is true) it could still be a reference to that regardless of SoS's real hair color. (Which I think should be purple anyway - though I am not saying that SoS = PoV, because I really, REALLY doubt that.)

This post has been edited by HeroicJay on Feb 23 2012, 09:03 PM

I never used Runic. Not once.

But based on what I'm reading about what it does... what the hell is about to happen to Celes here? Nothing I'm seeing (that it draws all magic to Celes, who then absorbs it) sounds good.

By "absorbing it", what happens in the game is that she gains the MP that the enemy used to cast the spell. Which could mean... lots of different things here, some benign (but that wouldn't be very dramatic, would it?), many of them... not so good for Celes's mental health.

One* question. What/Where is the Warp Zone of Oblivion? Have we covered there yet? Does it have any other names?

Also, I love how Kefka raised his hand when he said he had a question.

*This number is not necessarily accurate.

See, my thinking is that maybe the kid *thinks* she's searching for Rydia's mother when her true goal is to find the SoS. I'm still set on her at least thinking she's Kidia, just because the description was to detailed. I'm actually interested to see what happens when you kill the Shard's manifestation.

Mordain, I'm curious, how the hell did you last through the boss fight when you have just Celes and Locke? I had to use Runic in that fight at least. In fact the only reason I lasted through it the first time was because Locke accidentally got off one of those super-crazy critical strikes.

Overgrinding, probably. Also possibly items.

Alex: Is this a bad time to mention that you've answered like four questions?

I played the game in... probably 1999~2000. I have no bloody idea how I beat any of it (except Kefka, who I beat by teaching Ultima to every single character and being otherwise grossly underleveled) and only vague memories of most of the plot.

I also had a talking strategy guide hovering over my shoulder most of the time, that likely helped.

She absorbs the MP used to cast the spell... that's a very important phrasing. What exactly is that girl using to cast this 'spell'? I think we're all pretty certain of what song she's referring to... which leads me to suspect she's absorbing the shard itself, assuming that's even freaking possible. Due to the nature of Runic (and who the frak knows what Omega Runic can do) she might be protected from some of it, but even if this doesn't kill her or destroy her mind, it's unlikely to be healthy.

The Warp Zone of Oblivion is from the Captain N cartoon. Mother Brain dumped the N Team down it once she had acquired the Three Sacred Treasures of Olympus.

It was actually just an over-dramatic name for the underspace that all warp zones seem to travel through. Once the N Team stopped their fall, they were able to access a number of different warp zones to random places.

She might become the new bearer of the Shard.

The Warp Zone of Oblivion is from the Captain N cartoon. Mother Brain dumped the N Team down it once she had acquired the Three Sacred Treasures of Olympus.

It was actually just an over-dramatic name for the underspace that all warp zones seem to travel through. Once the N Team stopped their fall, they were able to access a number of different warp zones to random places.

Haven't the warp zones shut down, or at least altered somehow, since the Great Change?

That's the story I remember hearing, too, Zap. So, it seems likely some person/group is mistaken, be it us, Celes, or Videoland's/Nexus's historical understanding.

This comic holds the answer to your question, Zap, as well, perhaps, as the question Gaius has just posed, assuming that the Sovereign had an alter ego before TGC.

Essentially, the "memories" gained by those Touched are understandings and dynamics of those from the outside plus those of a Videolander of the old order.

EDIT: What this means for Locke, or anyone upon whom X-Zone or Xfer, etc. was used on is is anyone's guess.

EDIT2: Questions re: Omega Runic vs Row, Row, Row Your Boat:

1. Is Bard magic Runicable?*

2. If Shard!Kefka casts a quick spell in the middle of the song, which spell gets intercepted?*

* = 3. Can Runic be enhanced by Omega Energy to overcome these restrictions?

This post has been edited by Sir Donald on Feb 24 2012, 12:38 AM

I'm thinking Omega Runic is going to absorb all energies in the vicinity. All of the magic, all of the sorrow, all of that possibly goes to Celes. This ought to be interesting.