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Cador_2004
Posted: Mar 2 2012, 05:59 AM


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Um... Holy shit. That's all I really have to say on the matter.


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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 06:00 AM


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As bad as this looks, consider how much worse it would have been if Celes hadn't gotten hit first.


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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 06:19 AM


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I truly wonder how ferked Celes is. I've seen Nova in Golden Sun and it does not compare.

Also, "what the heck's Runic" made me laugh HARD.
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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 07:56 AM


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So what if Kefka becoming sorrowful made him... normal?


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QUOTE (Kawaresksenjajok @ Mar 2 2012, 06:19 AM)
I truly wonder how ferked Celes is. I've seen Nova in Golden Sun and it does not compare.

Also, "what the heck's Runic" made me laugh HARD.

"Going nova" is a general term, actually.

Short for "going supernova". As in, "She's gonna blow!"

I fear for Cyan. We know the Figaro Brothers are going to be relatively OK...
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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 09:37 AM


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What? In Celes's first fight? You mean fighting some random guards/dogs under South Figaro?

(I know full well that he probably really meant the TunnelArmor, but I decided to take it literally. So there. icon_mrgreen.gif)
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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 09:43 PM


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I hate to be the one to say it...but that looks a lot closer to the attack on Crystalis than it does to the attack on Celes.

I sure hope Omega Runic can absorb a lot of that or our long awaited jaunt into the world of FFVI may indeed already be over. Save of course for Locke, who is nowhere near there.

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QUOTE (AngerFork @ Mar 2 2012, 09:43 PM)
I sure hope Omega Runic can absorb a lot of that or our long awaited jaunt into the world of FFVI may indeed already be over. Save of course for Locke, who is nowhere near there.

Locke (probably) won't be the sole survivor. I'd also see it as a pity for things to end so suddenly. So many possibilities left to explore!
Like how a Touched Celes might behave more long term.
Or the reality of Terra's new situation.
Or more of the stuff JayDee had planned for VI's part in Final Fantasy Meta.
Or how Kefka seems to be updating his definition of 'everything' for his Omnicidal Maniac routine.

... Admittedly, some hold greater mystery than others.
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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 10:13 PM


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I suspect that intent matters here. The Sovereign was specifically trying to destroy Videoland; the little girl is just trying to get her mommy to come back. So it probably won't be as bad as the Sovereign's world-destroying spree to begin with, and Celes's action will probably mitigate it a lot.


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Posted: Mar 2 2012, 10:15 PM


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Hmm...Celes is clearly Touched and recognizes herself as such, yet she still maintains all reasoning and actions as she would normally. She hasn't become like Lisa.

Also, what's Kefka pondering up in the first panel? Any ideas?

At this point, I get the feeling that the Figaros and Cyan are only there to show Alex, Ryan, and us just how odd the Touched act to those who have no idea what they are.

One more thing. I notice that Sabin is wondering about "Runic". Not "Omega Runic". If they were completely oblivious to her ability, then surely they would not instinctively know that its title was Runic and not Omega Runic.
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The joke wouldn't have made sense though. And besides, knowing what a Runic is goes a long way towards figuring out what an Omega Runic.

As for Celes, she is acting very much in line with Rydia... the other candidate for Ice Maiden... and another Touched, by the Shard, as well.


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QUOTE (aturtledoesbite @ Mar 2 2012, 02:15 PM)
One more thing. I notice that Sabin is wondering about "Runic". Not "Omega Runic". If they were completely oblivious to her ability, then surely they would not instinctively know that its title was Runic and not Omega Runic.

Alex said straight out that she only used it once and they never saw the ability. tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Knight @ Mar 2 2012, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE (aturtledoesbite @ Mar 2 2012, 02:15 PM)
One more thing. I notice that Sabin is wondering about "Runic". Not "Omega Runic". If they were completely oblivious to her ability, then surely they would not instinctively know that its title was Runic and not Omega Runic.

Alex said straight out that she only used it once and they never saw the ability. tongue.gif

...I think I failed to explain my point. The point that I attempted (and utterly failed) to make is that non-Touched cannot tell the difference between an Omega-fueled ability and a normal ability. Possibly because they don't hear the Omega part or something. Either way, it's probably not important.
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They may not have heard/recognized/been able to reproduce the "Ω" sound, possibly because it didn't exist in FF6 (I doubt it was even in the character set the game used). Alex can't say it either, not the way that sprites who have been exposed to the world outside their individual games do, because it's a foreign character (plus it would sound something like the letter 'W', which is hard to say without just saying double-you), so he pronounces the name of it because he's familiar enough with greek to recognize the symbol. FF6 characters wouldn't be. The logical response, aside from going "What the heck did she just say", is to assume that "Ω" is a modifier of some sort, and that Runic is the actual power (they're also right, which helps).

...this is far too much speculation on what is ultimately a very trivial matter, I think... and will probably be proven wrong by counter-example from some old comic, but whatever. The last bit still stands - they wouldn't recognize "Ω", and asking what it was modifying rather than what it was is more logical.


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Someone asked about Kefka. My guess is that Kefka is truly nihilistic. He was hoping to destroy the entire world, but discovered that this world isn't all of existence.

It's interesting that the Sovereign wants to destroy the world as a last resort - because of its wounds - but Kefka wants to destroy it for the sake of it. Fascinating.
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He believes that life is meaningless, and existence is delaying of the inevitagble, or rather, that destroying things is the only thing that can give life some sort of semblance of meaning.

Whichever interpretation, his goal is the same.

Gaining supreme power (powerleveling notwithstanding) didn't do good things for the man's already shattered psyche.

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I think getting stabbed by Celes on the Floating Island is what really broke Kefka's psyche, though. Before that, he was insane and psychotic, but still rational (as much as he ever was, anyway). It's only after that he decided to break the world and try to kill everyone off.


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Yeah, Nihilism is not Sorrow, it is a philosophy. As enlong said, Kefka believes life is essentially meaningless, and that he creates meaning in destroying it. Which is largely just an intellectual excuse to break things because you like the pretty sound when they shatter.

In some ways it's kinda like a key philosophy of atheism: "If nothing we do matters, the only thing that matters is what we do", which in its own right is little more than an intellectual excuse to do what they feel is right even without an externally imposed set of morals.

But yes, Celes is touched. But she's an FFVI sprite, which means a great deal when predicting her behavior. Way back when, when we were still waiting for what we thought would be Act III, my theory on this game world would be that it would be a very different ballgame from the rest. FFVI is a game built upon loss and sorrow and shifting allegiances and unclear morality, but more than anything it's about building life out of the ashes, about finding finding meaning after everything of meaning in life has been stripped from you. Every one of the main characters, every bleeding one, lost everything they held dear at some point. Some, like Edgar, were able to reclaim what they lost. Others, like Locke and Setzer, found something better. Still others, like Shadow, merely found the closure they needed to make peace with their death. The point I'm trying to make here is that Sorrow is ingrained in their very bitmaps, as is the key to overcoming it. Their behavior is not going to fit the standard.

Another theory that this meshes with is the theory that character complexity is tied to their vulnerability to Sorrow. The more complex a character is, the harder it is for Sorrow to influence them and the more of their personalities they retain while being effected. Bit characters, one dimensional love interests, and living cliches are completely overtaken by it (Lisa), while stronger characters who have faced their own demons before hold their own much better - or at least for much longer - the way Lucca did.

Oh, and jaimehlers. I don't think that really was a critical flip, because he was already responsible for gleefully arranging at least two on screen massacres at Narshe and Doma, not to mention the burning down of Thalsama, the subjugation of the Espers in the same region, and the brutal mind-screw/murder combo he pulls on Leo. What I think really flipped his switch was success. Godlike power is only a good thing in the minds of people who do not have godlike power. Once he could send down the Light of Judgment on people, it was all too easy and mass murder became boring. And Kefka couldn't take boring - he was too smart in his own warped way (which isn't a surprise since he was supposedly the one who developed the slave crown), and the lack of any mental stimulation chipped away at what passed for his sanity until Celes and crew airdropped themselves on his tower.

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That's why Cecil is immune to direct Sorrow attacks! It has nothing to do with Alpha energy in his case, it's because he, alone of every character in that game, directly confronted his dark side and defeated it.

That makes a lot of sense. I'll bet Lucca's resistance was eroded because her family was worse off after she kept her mother's legs from being crippled. In her case, she doubted that she'd done the right thing, and it weakened her resilience against Sorrow.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the only reason Celes was affected significantly is because she was directly touching the girl at the time the outburst happened. The others, you'll note, were really no worse for wear after the outburst even though Celes was hit really hard. That suggests that they aren't going to be affected too dramatically by this one - and as someone mentioned before, this looks more like the dissolution of FF6 than a blast of pure Sorrow.

EDIT--I consider that event to be more of a tipping point. I suspect he wouldn't have gone for ultimate power if it hadn't happened.

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Hmm...then what happened with Rydia? She faced her own mother's death and managed to overcome it. Hell, even Spoony managed to get past Anna's death, but then again, he was constantly tormented by Alex.
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