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Do Good People Go To Heaven?, You may be surpised at this...
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How would you feel if I told you that there are only bad people in heaven?
A common misconception of Biblical Chrisitanity that arose of the Heresy of Roman Catholicism is that good people (people who do enough good) go to heaven, irrespective of Christ, or as if Christ doesn't do all of the work.
This, is NOT the message of the Bible. This truth is one of the things that distinguishes Christianity from all other religions on the face of the planet -- We can NEVER do enough good to get there by ourselves -- Jesus is the only way to the Father and Heaven (John 14:6).
I would like to post up two texts from the Bible for you to read before I go on:
| QUOTE | As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; 11there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." "Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit." "The poison of vipers is on their lips." "Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness." "Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know." "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. |
Romans 3:10-20
| QUOTE | Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[a]have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. |
Romans 5:1-11
Let me basically explain the purpose of these two texts.
Romans 3 is describing the inerrant sinfulness of ALL human kind. There is NONE righteous (Rom. 3:10) and thus, all are under the condemnation of a righteous God. If you are under the impression that you are not sinful, read Exodus 20 (the 10 commandments) and then Matthew 5 (Jesus teaching on Lust and Anger) to see so, You could also read one of the Gospels; and compare your life o Jesus, who was the only one to have never sinned.
Romans 5 is teaching that we are "justified" or "made righteous in the sight of God" by faith in Jesus Christ -- notice that works and good deeds don't even enter into the equation of salvation. WE are saved "by grace through faith -- not by works so that none can boast" (Ephesians 2) and thus our only hope is in Jesus Christ. and let me explain why.
Jesus, God in the flesh, came to earth and lived a perfect life. andI don't mean "good life" or "extraordinary life" but PERFECT life. He never once sinned -- every second of His life He loved God and loved people in all truth and power. He never held a lustful though about a woman (or a man), He never swore, He never blasphemed, He never lied, He never stole, He never dishonoured His parents by disobeying them, He was never covetous, never dishonest and never evil. Realise now that you, as a human, have done all of these things and others, more than likely. But you see, Jesus was more than a "moral teacher" and a "good example" because that makes Him no different from Mahatma Ghandi or the Buddah -- who I'm afraid to say are probably both in Hell for their idolatry and failure to accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Because that's what Christ is -- Saviour.
He saves us by dying for us. He went up onto that Cross, knowing that this message would be written here, to tell YOU all about it. He died in your place, taking the punishment YOu deserve, and rose again that you might be justified and to prove it to you. This is a FREE offer. He asks that you accept this, and give your whole life to Him, so that when He returns or calls you home, He might welcome you saying "well done, thou good and faithful one".
I would urge and plead and beg with you; REPENT. Change your mind and your direction in life, turn away from all your sinfulness and place your faith squarely and firmly in and upon Jesus Christ, His death and Resurrection. He loved you enough to died for you, but He hates your sin enough to punish you for it. Turn away and be forgiven.
My hope and prayer is that He would open the eyes of your heart and of the whole world. Amen.
In Jesus Name,
Arron
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Hello, I am afraid that this board is a Christian board, and as I have said earlier you need to be respectful. If you are going to post something like this, please give us your opinions why and don't use offensive language.... 'Nong' I won't warn you this time, but if I read anything else I will. Sorry.
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Hey Dawkins,
Prove it :-) I've got the only book to be written by 40 different people over 2000 years on three continents to have no contradictions, a relationship with Jesus (who by the way, came from heaven, went to heaven and is coming back again one day) and the testimony of Don Piper, who was dead for 90 mins and then cam back to life, having been in heaven. There is also nothing in provable (not theoretical) science to disprove any of these claims.
What do you got?
Arron
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Amen to that, and there is also a testiomony of a man who died and went to heaven that I recieved, I will email it you if you like?
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No contradictions? When I have time I'll search for an interesting page I found a while back on that very subject.
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Do indeed :-) I'll be happy to explain the context/history of your misunderstanding Arron
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Someone sent me this link not so long ago: http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htmI checked some of them out. And from the ones I read, anyone with respectable comprehension skills can work out that they are all flawed.  It's not about being bias because I'm a Christian, it's about having a good command of the English language.
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| QUOTE (Skywatcher @ Aug 8 2007, 10:16 PM) | Someone sent me this link not so long ago:
http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm
I checked some of them out. And from the ones I read, anyone with respectable comprehension skills can work out that they are all flawed. It's not about being bias because I'm a Christian, it's about having a good command of the English language. |
Yes I have seeen that site (no doubt we were shown by the same person) And they really aren't that good.
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| QUOTE (Suitman @ Aug 9 2007, 06:53 PM) | Yes I have seeen that site (no doubt we were shown by the same person) |
Hmm...I wonder who that was...
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It's often like that. People WANT the Bible to contradict itself so they abandon common sense.
In Jesus Name,
Arron
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i don't see how there can be such a thing as heaven at all! supposing that heaven is a place without suffering? surely all you christians have loved ones that are non xian? how will you feel when your loved ones are being sodomised by the fallen angel in the fires of hell? surely you will feel sorry for them hence SUFFERING and if you don't feel sorry for them you probably are a cold hearted cuss and shouldn't be in heaven in the first place. surely the notion of heaven is totally contradictory?
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| QUOTE ('Der Zorn Gottes' @ Aug 23 2007, 04:57 PM) | i don't see how there can be such a thing as heaven at all! supposing that heaven is a place without suffering? surely all you christians have loved ones that are non xian? how will you feel when your loved ones are being sodomised by the fallen angel in the fires of hell? surely you will feel sorry for them hence SUFFERING and if you don't feel sorry for them you probably are a cold hearted cuss and shouldn't be in heaven in the first place. surely the notion of heaven is totally contradictory? |
do you believe in any form of after life then?
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Hey,
It's only contradictory if you believe we will view our family as more important than the Justice of God. Take of course into account that our family in the faith outweigh our blood relatives, even in this life (Matt. 12:46-50).
In Jesus,
Arron
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do you have non-xian loved ones? will you feel sorry for them when they go to hell? i don't believe in life after death-also a contradictory term as death is surely the absence of life?
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