Hope and Change, Hows it working out for you?

Everyone should be against a "Panel" interfering or suggesting anything at anytime to anyone regarding a very personal decision when it comes to their own health. I find it interesting that woman are the first sacrificial lambs. Why not men and prostate exams. I think most of us know of a woman losing a breast or both by age 40.

You've been living with the recommendations and guidelines of the US Preventive Services Task Force for 25 years. Too bad you didn't read the article. I have no problem with their recommendation to consult with your doctor before having a mammogram under the age of 50 to weigh the risks and benefits.

And they updated their prostate cancer guidelines last year. No one noticed because the shameless GOP didn't use those findings politically in their effort to oppose healthcare reform since, under Bush, there was no effort to reform healthcare. so much for your war on women theory.

Lets see if I understand you Judy. Upgrading healthcare means less screening,less testing and more dying. YET! more savings. HMMM, I really wish Bush had thought of that.

So we know you and SMR feel the constitution is outdated. Those pesky founders, what were they thinking. Now a report from 1994 "The dark ages" had it all wrong as well. I give up. I just come back for the humor.

I really need to call it a night. I would just like to add this. I believe that giving the death penalty to the child of 2 adults who may or may not have had too much to drink one night is F---ed up.

the only thing I am a victim of is bad hair, and sadly, I have tried everything!


and like I said, my husband would lay it on the the line in only a way he knows how to do, and he would be kicked off before he even started. On his facebook page it says "I'm a Heavy Metal lovin, ultra-conservative, gun-totin, meat eatin dude." And under political views "Radical Right-Wing/Ultra-Conservative/Republican." and his pic of him and the moose he shot..


He is biting at the bit to come here and say something, but I told him I don't want him to ruin my reputation as the NICER conservative...lol;) He says you can call him Mr. Palin.

I will say, we now have enough moose burger, stew beef, sausage, jerky, roasts, steaks, etc, to last our family a year, and it is really, really good!

This post has been edited by yellin4yamin on Nov 21 2009, 01:04 AM

Everyone should be against a "Panel" interfering or suggesting anything at anytime to anyone regarding a very personal decision when it comes to their own health. I find it interesting that woman are the first sacrificial lambs. Why not men and prostate exams. I think most of us know of a woman losing a breast or both by age 40.

You've been living with the recommendations and guidelines of the US Preventive Services Task Force for 25 years. Too bad you didn't read the article. I have no problem with their recommendation to consult with your doctor before having a mammogram under the age of 50 to weigh the risks and benefits.

And they updated their prostate cancer guidelines last year. No one noticed because the shameless GOP didn't use those findings politically in their effort to oppose healthcare reform since, under Bush, there was no effort to reform healthcare. so much for your war on women theory.

Lets see if I understand you Judy. Upgrading healthcare means less screening,less testing and more dying. YET! more savings. HMMM, I really wish Bush had thought of that.

You coming to this conclusion makes me question your ability to think.

That's great, yelllin. The whole moose thing is quite fascinating.

and bring on Mr. Palin - I'm sure your reputation will remain intact. Maybe he can bring more than regurgitated talking points to the conversation.

That b-i-t-c-h is unreal.

An anonymous poster on another website wrote it.

What I will always find amazing is that they have actually been successful in convincing people to vote against their best interests and continually get people to support their opposition to policies that would actually benefit them.

How they do it is pretty ingenious. Basically, the GOP is a party based on slogans and phrases instead of actual ideas or solutions. The GOPers begin to use certain slogans or phrases (drill, baby, drill, government is your enemy, flip flopper, government run healthcare, etc, ect.) over and over again until they are adopted by their followers. Critical thinking and actual thought process becomes unnecessary when you latch onto a slogan. You just have to be given a few talking points to support the slogan, it becomes your belief and/or opinion and away you go - who cares if the talking points are false, right?

We have seen examples of this many, many times throughout our fun times in the political threads and currently when a conservative posts against healthcare reform. The conservatives here are against healthcare reform, but they can't seem to articulate why - they just regurgitate GOP slogans and talking points. Every word of opposition we see in the posts here against healthcare reform has been politically framed by Republican pollster, Frank Luntz, the master of this tactic. His basic principles to use against healthcare reform are repeated in this thread over and over again....presenting a public insurance option as a “government takeover” of the health care industry and arguing that health care reform equals rationing of care. We can also see the evidence of his most recent recommendation to use against healthcare reform - 'the cost to the deficit' - which has been repeated here quite often lately. Frank Luntz is an extremely talented man and has managed to bring the debate over healthcare reform down to the level of elementary school - it's too bad he is using those talents to try to screw the American people and not for something more valuable and worthy.

You have to give up to the Republican party for one thing - they are all on the same talking points page and script.

What's The Matter With Kansas?

hi Rian and welcome!

and my husband's bark is worse than his bite. He is just a big teddy bear. He also voted NO on question one here in Maine so don't let him fool ya....lol;) An ex of Chris's from high school is one of our dear friends, and she and her partner are married with two beautiful children;)

An anonymous poster on another website wrote it.

What I will always find amazing is that they have actually been successful in convincing people to vote against their best interests and continually get people to support their opposition to policies that would actually benefit them.

How they do it is pretty ingenious. Basically, the GOP is a party based on slogans and phrases instead of actual ideas or solutions. The GOPers begin to use certain slogans or phrases (drill, baby, drill, government is your enemy, flip flopper, government run healthcare, etc, ect.) over and over again until they are adopted by their followers. Critical thinking and actual thought process becomes unnecessary when you latch onto a slogan. You just have to be given a few talking points to support the slogan, it becomes your belief and/or opinion and away you go - who cares if the talking points are false, right?

We have seen examples of this many, many times throughout our fun times in the political threads and currently when a conservative posts against healthcare reform. The conservatives here are against healthcare reform, but they can't seem to articulate why - they just regurgitate GOP slogans and talking points. Every word of opposition we see in the posts here against healthcare reform has been politically framed by Republican pollster, Frank Luntz, the master of this tactic. His basic principles to use against healthcare reform are repeated in this thread over and over again....presenting a public insurance option as a “government takeover” of the health care industry and arguing that health care reform equals rationing of care. We can also see the evidence of his most recent recommendation to use against healthcare reform - 'the cost to the deficit' - which has been repeated here quite often lately. Frank Luntz is an extremely talented man and has managed to bring the debate over healthcare reform down to the level of elementary school - it's too bad he is using those talents to try to screw the American people and not for something more valuable and worthy.

You have to give up to the Republican party for one thing - they are all on the same talking points page and script.

What's The Matter With Kansas?

Thanks for letting me know, Judy.

Oh, but the major corporations which bust up unions and give bonus' to the CEO's and Executives already making millions are what keep us free. Our founding Fathers certainly believed in basic Conservatism like that Christianity is our established national religion in which the bible dictates laws (especially Leviticus to help keep the homosexual agenda at bay), corporations deserve to have profit as their main motive no matter how much it harms the the working class, that the middle class is too much of a burden on the wealthy who are self-made so it needs to be weakened as much as possible, and that minority groups like Jews, Gays, Blacks, and Latinos are lazy victims because we vote for people who believe the government can work for and by the people. (rolls eyes)

Ok, all sarcasam aside, you want to talk about who was a threat to our Constitution? Did you guys and gals pay attention to what happened over the last 8 years to our Constitution and basic rights? I guess this calls for a reminder.

1. In 2001, the Republican controlled Congress passed the Patriot Act which was subsequently signed into law under President Bush. This bill curtailed our civil liberties in a profoundly disturbing way through the implementation of roving wire taps. This bill ironically made us seem more like a totalitarian police state. You would call this respecting our Constitutional rights? Oh, but what a surprise. A Liberal from Wisconsin named Senator Russ Feingold has led the effort to eviscerate or repeal this unconstitutionalgarbage.

2. The Bush administration also suspended Habeas Corpus which is a basic judicial right that was stopped through the Military Commissions Act which was yet again passed by a Republican majority in Congress and signed into law by President Bush. Why shouldn't people be able to challenge detention with a fair trial? In fact, this very provision of the MSA was strucking down by our U.S. Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision in which the article stated:

3. Amendment IX of our Bill of Rights expressly states, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny our disparage others retained by the people." Unfortunately, many Republicans in Congress and President Bush pushed for an UNconstitutional amendment which sought to violate amendment IX of our Bill of Rights to ban same-sex couples on the federal level from being able to attain acivil marriage Thus, while this odious measure that was an assault against the lives of EVERY Gay and Lesbian American did not pass it was pushed by our President and the Republican party.

4. Amendment IV of our Bill of Rights expressly states, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized". The Bush administration directly violated the fourth amendment to our Bill of Rights through a secret program in which this article says:

5. Amendment I of our Bill of Rights expressly states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion, or prohibiting free exercise thereof; or abridging freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
You need only look at the UNconstitutional way Bush oppressed basic dissent against his administration along with the Republican created policies deriving from Congress in this article which states:

There was also another attempt to violate the first amendment of our Bill of Rights in which Republican Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama attempted to establish God as the basis of our laws through the Constitution Restoration Act in which this page notes:

In other words, the complete destruction of freedom of religion and freedom from religion as a Constitutional safe guard the first amendment provides.

You see....I'm deeply offended when Conservatives say that it is Liberals who are attempting to curtail freedom or roll back our Constitutional rights. The stunning ignorance shown by that statement when the mountain of research I just presented makes a factually and policy based case that it is in fact Conservative Republicans who despise our Bill of Rights really upsets me. Well, at least I gave examples in addition to links which substantiate my claims. It gives the clear picture of what our Constitution looks like under the philosophy and subsequent misrule that is the Conservative politicians in this country. You blame the wrong people my Conservative friends. I would ask these same people always hating and blaming Liberals for other peoples deeds to take a good look in the mirror.

Soul - here's an explanation to why liberals are blamed....it's from the What's the Matter with Kansas wiki page. I really need to buy this book. I've heard of it, but never read it. thanks for the link, ramblerg.

"Franks applies his thesis to answer the question of why these social conservatives continue to vote for Republicans, even though they are voting against their best interests. He argues that politicians and pundits stir the "cons" to action by evoking certain issues, such as abortion, immigration, or taxation. By portraying themselves to be the champion of the conservatives on these issues, the politicians can get "cons" to vote them into office. However, once in office, these politicians turn their attention to more mundane economic issues, such as business tax reduction or deregulation. In order to explain to the "cons" why no progress gets made on these issues, politicians and pundits point their fingers to a "liberal elite," a straw man representing everything that conservatism is not. It is this "liberal elite" that they blame for America's social ills, the general coarsening of American culture, and the lowering of the quality of life of the "cons." However, the politicians and pundits are relatively quiet when it comes to giving reasons why this fictional elite want such things. When reasons are given, they eschew economic reasons in favor of accusing this elite of simply hating America, or having a desire to harm "average" Americans. This theme of victimization by these "elites" is pervasive in conservative literature, despite the fact that at the time conservatives controlled all three branches of government, was being served by an extensive media devoted only to conservative ideology, and conservatives had won 6 of the previous 9 presidential elections."

This is good to hear cause I was shaking in my boots thinking he was gonna come here and kick my a**! whew, I feel better now. ha, ha.

great website for anyone who says we can't afford healthcare. I don't see you guys whining about the cost of unnecessary, ill-conceived, incompetently run invasions that have brought us no closer to security.

But I guess we afford this?
http://costofwar.com/

sorry my puter messed up, I gotta do this all over again

This post has been edited by yellin4yamin on Nov 21 2009, 01:58 PM

don't you just hate when that happens?

I'm not certain on how much internet access I will have in the coming days So I would like to wish everyone a happy thanksgiving. God bless you and yours.

same to you, moody.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving too Moody.

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