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Title: ONE SHOT STOP DATA COMPILED BY EVAN MARSHALL


cj1 - August 8, 2004 07:14 PM (GMT)
ONE SHOT STOP DATA COMPILED BY EVAN MARSHALL

First, and foremost, this is Evan Marshall's data. If you want to know more about him and his data, please go to his internet web site. Also, if you choose to read what Marshall has to say, please, also, go to the internet web site of Dr Fackler, Marshall's chief critic. To be fair, one should read what both have to say.

Second, as I understand it, Marshall gathers his one shot stop (OSS) data from:
1) After action shooting incident reports written by law enforcement personnel.
2) Medical reports, including autopsy reports, written my medical personnel.

Third, again, as I understand it, all of the Marshall OSS data is based on these three prerequisites:
1) The person shot was shot with one and only one handgun bullet.
2) The person shot was shot in the torso.
3) The person shot was incapacitated or killed as a direct result of being shot in the torso with one handgun bullet.

Fourth, Marshall usually, but not always, reports OSS results by:
1) Caliber.
2) Bullet weight.
3) Manufacturer.
4) Percent.
And, rarely, very rarely, by barrel length. If a caliber or bullet weight or manufacturer does not appear in the data, I understand that to mean that too few people have been shot with that particular caliber or bullet weight or manufacturer product, who meet the prerequisite criteria necessary to be included.

I don't have all of the Marshall OSS data and what I do have may or may not be the most current. Nonetheless, here is what I do have:

MARSHALL'S ONE SHOT STOP WITH A TORSO HIT DATA BY PERCENT

22 CALIBER (no bullet weights specified)
40 % Quik Shok JHP
38 % CCI Stinger JHP
30 % Federal JHP
(22 long rifle bullets, more often
than not, weigh 36, 38 or 40 grains)

32 ACP CALIBER
66 % 60 gr Winchester Silver Tip JHP
60 % 60 gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
59 % 65 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP

380 CALIBER
71 % 90 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP

9mm CALIBER
91 % 115 gr Federal JHP +P+
90 % 115 gr Remington JHP +P+
90 % 115 gr Winchester JHP +P+
90 % 127 gr Winchester Black Talon JHP +P+
83 % 115 gr Winchester Silver Tip JHP
83 % 124 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP
83 % 124 gr Speer Gold Dot JHP +P
78 % 147 gr Winchester Black Talon JHP

38 SPECIAL (2 inch barrel)
67 % 125 gr Remington JHP +P
67 % 158 gr Federal LHP +P
67 % 158 gr Winchester LHP +P
65 % 129 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP +P

38 SPECIAL (4 inch barrel)
67 % 129 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP +P

357 MAGNUM
96 % 125 gr Federal JHP
96 % 125 gr Remington JHP
93 % 125 gr CCI Speer JHP

357 SIG
91 % 125 gr CCI Speer JHP
91 % 125 gr Federal JHP
91 % 125 gr Winchester JHP

40 S&W
94 % 165 gr Remington Golden Saber JHP
93 % 155 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP
93 % 155 gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
89 % 155 gr Federal JHP

41 MAGNUM
90 % 170 gr Winchester Silver Tip JHP
79 % 210 gr Winchester JHP
75 % 210 gr Remington JHP

44 SPECIAL
75 % 200 gr Winchester Silver Tip JHP
72 % 200 gr Federal LHP
67 % 200 gr Remington LSWC

44 MAGNUM
92 % 210 gr Winchester Silver Tip JHP
89 % 180 gr Federal JHP
88 % 240 gr Remington JHP

45 ACP
96 % 230 gr Federal Hydra Shok JHP
96 % 185 gr Remington JHP +P
96 % 185 gr Remington Golden Saber JHP

45 COLT
80 % 225 gr Federal LHP
79 % 225 gr Winchester Silver Tip JHP
72 % 255 gr Winchester LRN

Please remember, this is not my data. The data appearing in this post has been compiled by Evan Marshall. Dr Fackler is his chief critic. If you want to argue the data, please do so with either Marshall or Fackler. Both of them have internet web sites.

If you want to discuss the data, I'll do my best but will probably refer most questions directly to Marshall or Fackler. I've never met Marshall or Fackler. I did, at one time, write for the Marshall web site. I came away from that experience with some respect for the data and little or no respect for Marshall. Fackler strikes me as a very bright fellow.

I often quote from the Marshall data because it is the most current that I am aware of. If it were up to me, I'd like to see Marshall and Fackler put their differences aside and work together. That, in my view, would be of great benefit to those of us who are interested in self defense issues as they relate to handguns, cartridges and bullets.

If anyone has more current Marshall OSS data, and is willing to share it, please let me know and I will be glad to include it here in this post.

CJ

cj1 - May 3, 2005 03:14 PM (GMT)
Since we have been mentioning the Marshall Data in other posts, I'm thinking that this might be a good time to bring this one up to the front of the forum for review.

CJ

Norse - May 11, 2005 06:53 AM (GMT)
Cj,
Glad you posted this again. I know the last time we exchanged emails about it, you didnt have the 45acp data down... Nice to know I have a 96% OSS

By the way... I got my CCW permit back.
Nice to feel my "OLD FREIND" under my arm again. I felt lost without it..

Im shooting in a 3 gun shoot next sunday. From what I have seen from these guys, only 2 out of 15 are a threat. One gentleman is about 70... he is DANGEROUS on all three courses. The other one is a "KID" about 19. He def. knows how to use firearms.
Should be fun.

Its handgun, shotgun, and rifle.
The handgun is 3 courses.
1. 9 to 25 ft. Around barricades, through windows, and behind walls
2 Shotgun. Pretty much the same thing, except it goes out to about 20yds.
3. Rifle. 4 courses, from 15 yds out to 150yds. No scopes allowed, and all are based on time, and points.
Looking forward to some competition.

For the pistol... of course Im taking my Springfield 45 ACP
Shotgun... My trusty Rem. 870 Wingmaster.
Rifle is still a toss up between my Mini 14 and my Sar1
Both are great guns.. reliable, and accurate.
Ill have to take them both out some time this week and decide.
Should be fun, will let you guys know How I do.
I need a little time to relax and have some fun. Ive been working too hard lately.

Scott

cj1 - May 11, 2005 05:15 PM (GMT)
Scott - I've never been in a competition like you describe but it sure sounds like fun.

Best advice: Remember the opening scene of the old Gunsmoke TV show. Fast is good. Accurate is better.

CJ




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