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Luke 23 3 and 4
Then Pilate asked Him, saying "Are You the King of the Jews?"
He answered him and said "It is as you say."

In this verse Jesus admits that He is the King of the Jews, yet many believe that Jesus as abandoned His people the Jews by saying that they have been replaced. Yet how does the belief that gentiles have replaced the Jews square Jesus' own admission the he is the King of the Jews. The charge for which he was crucified.

<<tmbup>> very good point ricky!

To be honest I knew I wouldn't get any disagreement here But I wonder what the reaction will be like by some at Worthy

::nid:: you never can tell.

I would think that some who believe in Replacement Theology might get upset. (RT being the belief that Israel has been replaced by the Church.) Just refer those using flamethrowers to Romans 9-11. Paul makes it pretty clear there that Israel has NOT been replaced.

I've run into a few who believe in replacement theology and they can get pretty uptight about it. I just ask them to read Romans 9-11 with an open mind.

Well you have the oft repeated view (based on a misunderstanding of Paul in Rom. 2:28-29) that Gentile Christians are now "spiritual Jews" which replace the ethnic Jews as the chosen people.

In Romans 2, Paul makes the case that the Jews who simply rest in the law are ironically the most disobedient. They are putting their trust in their own effort and their boast is in the law and in themselves.

Paul says that real Jewishness does not boast in in the law, but in the God who gave it. It is the Jew whose life is a praise to God. Simply being Jewish in externalities is not enough in order to please God. One's Jewishness must extend to faithfulness to God and faith in God and the Messiah who died for him/her.

Romans 11:25-36

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


PRAISE GOD - FOR HE IS FAITHFUL THAT PROMISED
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And another thing Ricky is that the Jewish Jesus has been replaced by a very unJewish looking Jesus.

Most cultures (before pictures) made gods or hero's in their own image.

Hmm...but Jesus was flesh and blood - not mythical or carved from wood or stone etc..

But as the Gospel spread, to other regions and cultures, those people had never seen him.

That's right but closer to His time - they knew what a Jew looked like just as I know what an Indonesian looks like and vice versa. (Indonesia is close to Aus/ different region and culture).

Not necessarily, how would someone in Britain know what a Jewish person looked like? At that time most people never travelled more than 20 miles from their place of birth. And besides, although I am glad that we now know the difference, how would it effect someones belief?
The problem came (in IMHO) NOT that people thought of Jesus as looking like them, but when people decided He was one of them, and not a Jew, and took Him out of the context of His society, and the context that God built about Him through the Bible via the Jewish people.

This post has been edited by Scarletprayers on Jul 3 2009, 11:53 PM

There were Jews in Rome. I am talking about around the time of Jesus and not long after.

I don't know what Jesus looked like and no, it doesn't change my belief in Him.
But in my minds eye, I wouldn't replace Him with an Aussie male. That's just me.


I know through history the way Jesus has been physically portrayed has had alot to do with trends, politics influences like that.

I guess in the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter but it is fair dinkum to comment that Jesus is generally represented NOW, today, as Caucasion and there is very little Jewishness about Him.

Just my observances.

Oh I agree, but I think its because of the thousand or so years there, that He was pretty much pictured in paintings and in icons as Caucasian.
Hopefully we are overcoming that and putting Him (and the way He would have look) back into the correct context!
But, I don't think how we picture Him in our heads really matters, and I sometimes wonder if thats why we were never given any kind of physical description of Him?