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 TA ZEYBEKIKA TIS NTROPIS, mithos/pragmatikotis
proedros
Posted: Sep 16 2005, 11:30 PM


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Olli gnorizoume pos i neo-ellada sinoreyi me tin tourkia sta anatolika kai vorio anatolika.I tourki emfanistikan stin Mikra Asia giro sto etos 1040-1090 proerxomeni apo tin moggolia gia agnostous logous (profanos piezomeni apo alla fila).I tourkia lipon epi 9 kai pleon eones vriskete se antiparathesi me tin ellada.I exthrotita ekdilonete me polemous, sfages leylasies...
Pio einai omos to paradokso??
I tourkia oudepote exi anakiriksi polemo enantion tis ellados!! panta isevale sta edafi mas xoris proidopiisi rimazontas, viazontas kai skotonontas amaxous plithismous...(blebe vyzantio,ipirotiki ellada,pontos,ellinismos tis Asias,Kypros).
Ti itan omos i tourkia olla afta ta xronia??
Ti politismo anediksan i tourki??
Ti ikonomia ixan i tourki??
I tourkia itan kai ine ena moggoliko ethnos to opio exi ipo tin mastiga tou toulaxiston 3 mionotites simera
1) ellines (1/3 tou plithismou ine ellinikis katagogis)
2) kourdous
3) lipous mousoulmanikous laous
Parolafta kanis den tis anagnorizi aftes oute ta dikaomata afton ton anthropon..
I ellada ipotithete pos zi mia zoy ipo tin apili tis tourkias kai pos tha ine adinaton na antapskselthoume nikifora se enan polemo enantia ton tourkon.. ine alithia olla afta??
I tourki den exoun kanena politistiko stixio oute texnes oute grammata
Tin ikonomia tis tourkias tin diaxirizontan mia zoy ellines
Ti proti megali sigrousi tin sinantame sto Maggikert eki pou o kata poli dinatoteros Vyzantinos Stratos xani stin maxi apo aprosdioristous logous (prodosia,anapofasistos stratigos)
Ektote i ellas aminete stin Kontantinoupoli tin opia tin iperaspizonte ligotera strateymata kai apo afta pou diethete i rodos!!!
Parola afta i elliniki psixi den ligisi sta varia kanonia ton tourkon pou exoun promitheyti apo tous Gallous.. I proti epithesi anaxetizete me epitixia apo tous ligostous plin geneous iperaspistes tis.
To mayo tou 1453 i Kontantinoupoli pefti sta xeria ton moggolon varvaron me mia geniki efodo. Para tis kakouxies ligosti ellines patriotes - iperaspistes tis polis pinasmeni logo tou apoklismou tou limena kai tis ksiras kai kata poli ligoteri apo tou exthrou rixnonte me oplo tin psixi stin maxi..
Argotera mathenoume pos to gegonos itan thelima theou kai pos an ipirxan esto kai 5 sosti xriastiani stin Konstantinoupoli i poli den tha epefte (simadi ithikis parakmis)
To ti epakolouthise meta tin alosi tis pollis ine aperigrapto arki na anaferthi pos i tourki sfazan , leylatousan ,viazan epi meres...
Epidi omos ouden kako amiges kalou
Meta apo 400 xronia i epanastasi arxizi.Afou i ellines elavan morfosi prin tin epanastasi xaris ta krifa sxolia kai tous paterades tou genous pernoun ta opla kai ine etimi na ta thisiasoun olla iper pisteos kai patridos..Arxizi o ipsistos agon o agon dia tin patrida, tous vomous ta iera kai ta osia...
Xaris tis apotiximenes epanastasis stin moldovlaxia i epanatstasi stin peloponiso kai sterea ellada statheropiite me tin megaliteri niki na siblironete meta tin katalipsi tis Tripolitsas(tripoli) apo ton proto xrono tis epanastasis...
(epidi ta gegonota ta theoro gnosta den tha epektatho)
To 1828 simainoun enthima i kambanes kai i ellada epitelous kerdisi me kopo,thisia(1/3 tou plithisou epezise),kai aima tin eleftheria tis.
To elliniko kratos prospathi na stathi sta podia tou kai na anagenisi tin palaia megaloprepia kai to kleos tou... mono pou olla tha arxisoun apo to miden..
Meriki ksipoliti xoriani lipon me elliniki psixi, tolmi, ellinoprepia,tharos,areti eleftheronoun tin ellada(peloponiso stera kai kiklades) apo ton tourkiko zigo kai anagrafoun alli mia simantiki epitixia gia ton aitito elliniko strato (se maxi 1-1 xoris prodosies)
To 1913 lamvanoun xora i 2 valkaniki polemi
ellada-tourkia
ellada-voulgaria
kai i ellas diplasiazete se ektasi (afou exi idi pari tin perioxi tis artas kai ena tmima tis thessalias apo tis dinamis tis epoxis) prosthetontas tin makedonia, tin ipiro , tin makedonia sto elefthero elliniko kratos..
A- Pagosmios polemos..
I ellas perni tin misi mikra asia kai proxoray gia tin pragmatopiisi tis megalis ideas..
Parola afta prodidete apo tous simaxous tis (opos panta den tin theloun isxiri)
kai etsi xani ta patria edafi tis mikras asia kai o stratos ipoxori prodomenos
B- pagosmios polemos..
to epos tou 40 sta vouna tis alvanias kai sta valkanika sinora prostheti kai pali to kleos pou teriazi stou ellines
1974 Prodosia kai katalipsi tis kyprou apo tous tourkous xoris tin kiriksi kai pali polemou.Pii iperaspistikan to nisi??? merikes omades nearon pou polemousan me tin psixi tous kai oxi me ta palea skouriasmena ntoufekia tous.. eki i elliniki areti diagrafete me aima aplon anthropon oxi stratioton pou antistathikan genea.Pote den sinevi mia mikri omada nearon na skotosi tosous pollous antipalous
(1 nearos tambouromenos se ena xamospito stamati monos mia mixanokiniti tourkiki merarxia)
Simera...
I tourkia ine enas gigantas me gialina podia i ikonomia tis ine apelpistiki kai i sinthikes diaviosis gia tou perissoterous eki athlies..
I ellas simioni kathe mera terasties nikes ston aithera opo 9/10 aeromaxies ine iper mas..Ta tifla aeroskafi tis ellas stekonte aporthita frouria stou varvarous isvolis...
I ELLAS PAROLA AFTA PANTA EPIDIOKE TIN OUSIASTIKI SINERGASIA TON DIO LAON MONO
POU AFTO ITAN TELIOS MONOPLEYRO.KAI I PROSEGISI TOU TELIOS LANTHASMENI

OTAN OI POLITIKI MAS XOREYAN ZEBEKIKA KAI KANAN KOUBARIES ME TOUS TOURKOUS OMOLOGOUS TOUS TA PALIKARIA TIS POLEMIKIS MAS AEROPORIAS ANAXETIZAN ME EPITIXIA TIS ENAERIES PARAVIASIS TON TOURKON SIMIONONTAS AKOMA MIA LAMBRI NIKI GIA TON IPER ENDOXO ELLINIKO STRATO
ESETAI HMAR


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tamias
Posted: Sep 17 2005, 05:25 PM


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orea ta ipes, to thema ine pios tha katsi na ta diavasi blink.gif
(an ipirxe kanis dld)
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proedros
Posted: Sep 19 2005, 12:59 PM


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ela nte...
pou ine ore i ellines???
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tamias
Posted: Oct 1 2005, 09:21 AM


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les na pigan sta vouna?
les na arxise o agonas kai na min to katalavame?
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proedros
Posted: Oct 2 2005, 07:55 PM


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baa se merika xronia tha arixisi
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tamias
Posted: Oct 4 2005, 12:27 PM


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ara giati leme o agon sinexizete?
kai ama erthoun oi epsilon giati na min ta kanoun ola autoi?
wink.gif vromai i ipothesi...
prepi na kanoume ena forum omas e, y y
dioti pos iparxi epigia omada e den amfisvitite
ala ekso-giini? huh.gif
ohmy.gif tosa erotimata...
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proedros
Posted: Oct 5 2005, 03:41 PM


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ti epsilon ti ellines apo to idio genos imaste
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tamias
Posted: Oct 9 2005, 08:11 AM


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e y,
mono pou autoi ine ta arxika onta ki emis oi apogonoi...
ala i epigia omas ta idia skata me mas (omiokataliksia)
ine...
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proedros
Posted: Oct 9 2005, 09:23 AM


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o kairos gar eggys
(the weather is close)
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