are DE still gonna exist in the next 40k edition?
http://www.vovin.de claims that GW wont make them and that if anything they will be a back of the book list for the eldar...
what do you know about this?

The guys down my GW agree....

but, but, but, why???
why would gw just close down a race, its not like they dont have anytime... they are making some machine codex instead :angry:

Very simply put, the Dark Eldar range of models probably hasn't been making GW profits so that is there solution to try something new.
I wasn't aware though that they were infact knocking them off completely though, I guess I should think about selling my Dark Eldar force that is waiting for me to paint, I could buy more Tomb Kings stuff with it anyway!

Jimmy

Yeah, this rumor has been heard where I live aswell. Poor Dark Eldar players.

Creepy, what if GW close down Tomb Kings someday. :blink:

Wouldn't think so, the Tomb Kings are making way to mch profit to be shut down.
I do belive that GW are putting DE on ice for the moment, who knows, they might return...
I already got a 2500 points force with DE, what if they would forbid me to use it.. :blink:

As some one with a De army I am listening for this and I heard it in store only recently, but the signs were there when they pulled the De out of stores, our best hope is to get a list in the Eldar codex (which I am also waiting for as an Eldar player), but I doute they will disapear completely or get eatten but they are not likely to get new models or support as they simple do not appeal to the Smuff buying kids that GW has desided to target (they are to hard to play).

Exactly right. The gothic looking heroes of the new space marine range would appeal to kids much more than some capricous and torturous pirate raiders. I think this is partly due to GW though. I have only ever seen 1 dark eldar battle report and I cant remember seeing even a single dark eldar article in a WD for the past couple of years.

Which is kind of surprising as they DE were in the old starter set.... Oh well I'm sure glad I left KiddyK when I did... :P

Yeah, but that is not their whole fluff.

Dark Eldar are eldar who have gone another way from the normal eldar because of Slaanesh.

The Eldar fluff says that when Slaanesh was born by the emotions of the eldar, the eldar grey very stoic to protect their souls from eaten by slaanesh. The Dark Eldar feed him/her pain and pleasure, so that their souls will not be eaten (at least, i thought it was like this)

Much more better then just space elf pirates, isn't it?

yeah... what about Wood Elves? Their models was crap and their fluff made it hard (if not impossible) to explain how they would fight vs anything outside of the Old World (Dark Elves/Lizardmen/Ogre Kingdoms/Tomb Kings) and still does BTW. Now that they've been given new and amazing models plus a real codex the Wood Elves will stay "forever".

Look at the Dark Eldar, they have the worst models out there and a insufficient codex. Give them a new and real codex, with some pages concerning background and nice new art-work. Not to mention models. New Wyches, Grotesques, Archon/Dracon, Scourges, Warriors, Warpbeasts and Beastmaster and maybe even new Incubi would increase the number of DE armies out there by the thousands. How can it NOT be a smart move to update them?

This post is not even written by a DE-player!

Well I never said I was 100% sure or liked the idea myself but I mean wood elves were never out of the game, just on the backburner. Perhaps they have done the same witht he Dark Eldar who knows? But I sold mine for a whopping Tomb King army anyway so it won't phase me in the slightest how GW decides the furture of the race.

:)

well I asked the staff at the largest(or so I think) Games Workshop in Sweden and they said that they could not tell us anything new on Dark Elves other than that they will have an update, they just don't know when. It's to far ahead. Just to smash any rumours of the disapearing fully. ;)

You asked a Red shirt for info regarding new armies... huh... well as far as I am concerned theyknow no mor than you or I. I would highly sugest taking what they say with the largest grain of salt....

Here is my theory. GW has removed the darkeldar stock from storefronts and made the DE near extinct. The only way to get DE in the US is by online purchases. So, this leads many to speak of the demise of DE... I think they are wrong!

GW pulled the stock likely due to the financial shortcommings of the range and reconsolidate their manufacturing. By making purchaces of their stock through their sole storefront they can better manage the sales and manufacturing. Now, the most recent White dwarf has a goddamn ancient article by Chris Bell who was a player at our LGS till he moved to L.A or Seattle... basicly somewhere else ( I don't know his movements....) So, Chris wrote this tactica in 2002-2003 and GW published it verbatium (well he was the "author" but it's really old ######...) I actualy am a bit dissapointed in Chris for not revising a tactica for them with some considerations for 4th edition (but thata just me).

Anywho I feel the presence of this tactica legitimises the DE's presence in the GW universe.... if GW wished to exile DE they wouldnt say a word about them... much like Squats or Zoats... Harley and the like... they were dropped and have not been spoken of again.

Well, actually. It was the store-manager. Does that make a differance?

*shrug* Not really <_< You can hope.... I think it's safe to say that he is "correct" I dont see GW disbanding DE per my post.... Though I would put a bit more stock into DE being in the upcomming eldar codex... or at least mentioned in more detail.... they need the history buff.

The next White Dwarf will have a index xenos on the Dark Eldar. :)

much of what any redshirt/blackshirt or whatever the color it is nowdays really knows anything.

from what i´ve heard they are going into the same codex as eldar or their own.

i dont really like 40k but them killing the only army i like(and still havent sold) would really suck <_<

Don't u guys see that this is a great opportunity for a new campaign for the 40K universe? the storyline could be like the SMs or Eldar finally penetrated deep into DE territory and are launching the final seige on Commograph! (or however u spell it.) The victory or failure of the campaign can mean the extintion of an army, adding in extra tention into every game played for the campaign! any other thoughts?

i like the way you think. mainly however the space amrines wouldn't be able to find away into commorragh unless they find an open webway portal. Also I got the impression that the Webway is some ware in the warp so if GW does redo De I would like to see some actual warp beasts. A.K.A. somethings like big mutuants. witha beast master. or access to a specific deamon only avaiable to us.

maybe theyll reformulate DE as the next Harlequin army

that would be GREAT!!

but- something in my stomach says no.

That i know of- the DE are the only army that has a fully detailed special character without a model to show for it.

DECAPITOR!!!

i always thought the character was really cool- deploying like a mandrake- he was like a Lictor on crack. 4 power weapon attacks...was going to be an option in my 2 squad mandrake led by Hommunculi with grotesques army and on jetbikes that never made it past 600 pts.

i like the army's aesthetic, but they get no love from GW.

I think that making an army a back-of-book affair increases their appeal. That's just me, though: the whole reason I first got into Chaos Dwarfs (slightly off-topic... ;) ) was because they were marginalised to such an extent, and because they were the mysterious guys. I think it's be pretty cool, for me, if DE became an addition to the back of the Eldar book. Hey, look on the bright side, fewer armies of them out means you win more! :D

After spending four hours trying to put together a single farseer for the eldar.... I have the most determined opinion that GW needs to redesign all the older models, mainly Harlequins(yes they are still around), Dark Eldar(some of thier models are getting crummy compared to the others), and the original Eldar(note farseer comment above applies to basically all of the older models)

My beef is not the fluff, or the codex, true, they do need a new one, it's been 8 years since the Eldar have had a redux, but anyways, my problem is the models. Most specifically the glueing together of them. My dad spend 45 minutes shaving down a tiny piece of metal so that he could clamp together the arm for this little buggar. Now imagine if me and him had to do this with every model out there, that would be absurd! Spending 45minutes to an hour putting together one model at a time. :angry: GW had better get thier crap together and quit upgrading those retarded space marines, oooooh look at me, i've got strength 4 ap 5 rapid fire weapons, oooooh. <_< Yeah, i'm a bit pissed right now, but I think it's safe to assume that alot of the people here get my gripe.

As for DE disappearing, they'll do the same thing as they did with the Harlequins, move all the models to classic/collectors, make them only available online(which is true anyways so far), and then put together some ghettofied list 10 years from now. :(

If anyone needs DE models... I got a bunch of them, never got to playing 40k, but I do own some dark eldar models. Still, it sucks that they're actually removing armies...

Like I said, It's doubtful that any type of Eldar(Dark or not) will be removed. It's more likely they will be put into hiding for a while, then brought back as an optional sub race. Or perhaps an alternate list in the back of the codex.

I find it so funny that so many believe that GW CANT eliminate a race from their games. They have done it before, they will do it again. They got rid of Squats, and have banned most discussion of them entirely. Is it so hard to believe that they would eliminate dark eldar if they werent flying off the shelves? I dont think so.

Fantasy and 40K both had Zoats... where are they now? The Fimur were a very well developed race in earlier editions of WFB, eliminated by 3rd edition. (think it was 3rd) The simple fact is, the more GW diversifies its model range by adding new races, the more expensive it is to make ALL of the models. (profits made in the SM range for example, get eaten up by new molds needed for the newest race)at some point GW realizes that they have cut into their profits, and something has to give.

The chaos dwarves have been limped along by ravening hordes for almost 2 editions now, and although there is a small contingent of rabid CD fans, GW has to look at their bottom line and ask themselves, "Is it worth devoting artists, writers, modelmakers, and sculptors to the CD, or do we take those same people and make more Dwarves, Orcs, Empire (whatever) to feed the market that is already there?" They took a huge leap with the Ogres, its going to be a while before they have the profits to take that risk again. My guess is the same with 40K, especially if you treat the main SM chapters as their own races, there are many more races in 40k than fantasy, and therefore a slimmer profit margin per race.

Last I heard they were definitely not being put into the Eldar book. The explanation I got was that they were unhappy with the background and fluff for the Dark Eldar, not to mention some of the models. No definite word on what they want to do with them.

IMO they want to make some changes but aren't sure where the DE fit into the 40K universe. Probably end up like the Woodelves, one of the last codexes to revise.

No good background fluff?

I think there are armies with worse background, for example the Orks:
We fight because we like fighting, and well, that's it

Or 'nids
We fight because we want food

I think the DE with their: "we need prisoners to torture, so that slaanesh will be pleased and will not eat our souls" is quite a deepgoing fluff comparing the SOME other 40K armies.

About the "bad models"; Just make new models then. Armies need to get space to evolve (but I seems the space marines just don't)

Removing the Dark Eldar would make no sense. They have a place in the 40K universe as a race of cosmic slavers, constantly attacking the Imperium, Tau and Eldar for slaves, and everyone else because they get in their way. Pieter also has a good point, in that DE have good enough background fluff to at least warrant a codex!

Bit rough for GW I think, to just organise an campain if they wan't to get rid of an race. The SM would win it aigan anyway, so if the DE are gone about half of the races are SM. <_<

No, Gw will just leave it and never speak aigan of it...

From GT atlanta:

* Dark Eldar are not dead, they're just awaiting a redesign, as GW thought a lot of the models looked "tired".
* Harlequins are possibly coming soon. Graham's response was, "Watch this space."

We Dark eldar players have nothing to fear.

I suppose we should break out the 3000 year old wine and have ourselves a drink then. :lol:

I mean what better way to celebrate a reworking of old metals into newer ones(that will hopefully be easier to build then the old ones). <_<

And hopefully be released not all too far from now, I mean we havent even got any minis in their own retail stores.

...but I know, I know, it is wishfulthinking <_<

I must ask, what this rumor of being removed from the shelves? I see Dark Eldar models at my local hobby shop everytime I go there. I'm not talking display case stuff either. :unsure: I suppose it could be back ordered stuff that snuck in....but thats unlikely.

As they are claimed to be awaiting re-design I doubt they mean the same minis.

They are the GW Dark Eldar models, I'm still wondering why people are saying they've all been taken off the shelves...
Especially when I see them on the shelves all the time. :unsure:

It might be cause they still have some stock left. DE isnt on shelves as far as I can see here.
Its actually old news that DE has been taken off the shelves, maybe there arent alot DE players around there.

That is the odd part, I know about 6 or 7 Dark Eldar players personally, and i've seen another 4 or 5 on occasion show up at the store and buy stuff. They're kinda popular, but for some reason the store isn't low on stock.

The rumours on Dark Eldar fluctuate quite a bit IMO. For example, perhaps one or two years ago, the staff at the GW I bought them from told me that they would most likely be re-released, but there's now no sign of that. Other rumours have been that they'll combine with the Eldar (hopefully that won't happen, they're incredibly different armies), they'll die out, and now newest is that they'll be redone perhaps sometime pretty soon.

I think that there are also rumours of DE getting a model as well in the summer campaign, meaning that they may be getting redone soon.

Really, I'm happy with DE as they are now. If they become obselete, I'll go mental. If they stay as they are, I won't really mind (even if they go the way of the Chaos Dwarfs or Harlequins, but that would be annoying).

I hope that it's all rumor and not true, I'd say that the DE have one of the best armies under the current rules, fast moving and abole to assult if they get off, unlike others who are enclosed and then cannot.

the wyches with their 4+ inv save in combat along with their high I mean that very few models remain to fight them and because of the fleet of foot it makes them truely quick. Dark eldar weapons (agonisers) able to effect anything - I'm thinking about wraithlords, being weak and needing a 5 to wound a marine normally doesn't matter when you wound anything on a 4+ thankfully these are for the squad leader (succubus??)

the dark lances able to "reduce" the enemy armour to a 12, so look out any land raiders or predators...

great army, would be a complete waste to get rid of it. what other evil armies would you be left with?

Tyranids, Orks (who need a re-write more than any other army) Necrons, and chaos.

Alternative armies being Tau and normal eldar, otherwise you've got loads of marine chaters - do we need yet another variation? I personally own Black Templars and Blood Angels so will never own another chapter as I feel that I've done everything I can do with marines...

I'm not saying that GW should leave them as they are, a re-write maybe in order as a lot of the armies tend to look the same with very little variation (thus a stale list) but I believe it would be a mistake to just get rid of it.

Cbt

If they lay a finger on TK.. I'll...I'll.... Well, I don't no what I would do.