Hopes Dashed?

yea last year rround summer almost everbody thoutg it would be skaven then tk this morh or early next year now it is pretty sure boc will come first. rumours are fun but bad for the moral

rumours are always bad but i been waiting 6 years for a new book so it gona be fun to find out

well just to pass this on from the guy in my local GW when i said about TK army and needing a new book he just said to me "the sleepless ones are coming soon"

I don't want to cast doubt on your GW staffer, but given that we know what the next two army releases for Fantasy are, if Tomb Kings is coming after Beasts (rather than 8th Edition) then its at least 6 months away, possibly more and at that distance unless your mate is on the games development team he probably doesn't know any more than we do. Plus if he DID know something concrete he could be in big trouble with the company for sharing it with customers, GW have got really tight with their leak control over the last 6-8 months.

I generally take warseer rumours with a pince of salt, but I take rumours from GW staff with a whole ocean full of salt.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess

Since I'm relatively new to the hobby, I can only say that others have echoed Horus' thoughts. This new super-secret-hush-hush policy by GW is coming at a bad time however.

They dropped the ball on keeping the potential of an 8th edition next year under wraps and as a result you have many nervous players out there, especially TK and OK, who even if they have the utmost faith in GW are probably still worried that their primary army might be removed from the table.

At the very least, given that the cat is out of the proverbial bag, one would think they'd do something to allay any potential fears customers might have. That's my primary issue right now, regardless of how things turn out.

GW if your reading this give us a sign for god's sake

Put me in the Optimistic camp.

My Mummy lord is eagerly awaiting for some new bone to breathe a little undeath into his army.

Especially a new Bone Giant. I'm not critiquing the old one, but if a new one comes out with some good stats to boot, I will happily add one to my King's army.

I have been playing undead since 1996 and TK since 2002 so I am definately a person who would love to see a new TK book. However I am not holding my breath. I do not believe TK will be rejected complet;y but the TK are definately a fringe army and contrary to what some have posted, they are no where near as popular as Skaven or Beasts. In fact the GW releases go as follows: Tyranids, Beasts, Blood Angels. Anything after that is just pure speculation.

To add MORE speculation though, my sources have said that 8th ed will be done before the TK and that Orc and Goblins and Empire will be the first books redone in 8th Ed followed then by Bretonians.

I have buried my scorpions and swarms deep underground and sent my Tomb Kings and Princes back to their sarcophegai for the time being. Dont you see people, its all about the Chaos Dwarfs right now!
All glory to the big hats!

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Well, GW managers don't know anything before 2 months before the release. Talked to the manager at my local GW and he said he didn't know squat about Tyranids until two weeks ago (where he was informed of certain models and rules, of course he knew of the release) but he mentioned he knew nothing of beasts. Just the fact that Tyranids are next and Beasts after that.

Anywho, TK don't really need an update as bad as some other armies, Ogres for example are way more in the need of one. We do quite well in 7th. WE can skip 7th completely, they're still one of the most stable armies out there. TK really just need point fixes (bone giant 175pts) and magic item fixes but if looking at the Skaven magic item list I don't think we should get our hopes up for good magic items (they seem to be removing those, making daemons even better).

I think we will get an update soon enough, perhaps within a year, be it 8th or 7th edition, doesn't really matter, would rather get one for 8th though (then we'd be close to first!). Most armies that haven't gotten an update in awhile start to sell worse, I doubt they sell a lot of Dwarfs nowadays, other than the BFSP set.

I'm confident we will get an update, after all we're new in the game. We've only existed for one edition, might skip one and jump to the next but we will get it.

That makes a lot of sense, Empire and Orcs are always the first armies to get redone in every edition, its a bit of a blow about Bretonnians though, they're about the only remaining 6th Ed book that doesn't need a drastic overhaul. Ogres need it bad, and so do we. Wood elves and dwarfs have been rather left behind with the march of 7th, but Bretonnians have stayed one of the most competitive armies in the game, the only real hurt that 7th dealt them was with questing knights, everything else works as well as ever it did.

Well, one thing's certain now. TK won't be the first army of 2010. GW finally oficially announced beastmen for february 2010.

New rumour on warseer, Tomb Kings allegedly for release in May next year as the last 7th Edition army. Don't get too excited though, several of the "rumours" for changes are IMHO ridiculous, judge for yourselves, but bear in mind this guy never names his source

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230644

not sure but my local GW has a new guy and when i asked about new books n such he said they are not killing the TK off and they will be back

this hopeful thinking is good and all but you guys have forgotten what they did with the Dogs of War, back in the 90's the player base wanted another human army getting tired of the stereotypical brets and the over popular empire, so they started a main book for the regiments of renown and kept them for 5th ed. then when everyone else was getting new books, they got a pfd file online, being used as a transition army from one edition to another since the BRB was being redone as well, causing a lot of confusion about the change in rules.

so far what ive heard is that GW is going to bring in a new army,combined with the fact that my GW store near me (DFW, texas) only has 2 boxes of skellies and a box of chariots left plus the 5th ed books, with no new orders being turned in is giving me the distinct idea that we are the new DoW.

Oh we could also become the new kislev for VC, just a side note thats incredibly expensive to use i mean you have to play a 3k pt army just to get the only lord that can use the ice lore, which is quite nice, but not worth the pts wasted on the winged lancers or the griffon legion, (the kossars are definalty worth it go Great weapons an bows on rank and files!!) and the fluff isnt an excuse as you can tell by the new VC book which has no mention of the families from 6th ed.

of course i am a pessimist so idk what will happen

oh and as for the 8th ed stuff all ive been hearing is that the decent armies (WE, Brets, Dwarves and possibly Ogres) are not getting a 7th ed book but rather be the first ones for 8th, which does anger me as the rare choice knights in the bret book arent as cost effective as a lot of the other people with knight like units (empire, VC, etc)

I guessing you meant your local store has a few 6th Ed books since there was no 5th Ed TK book, and I somehow doubt they would effectively retire one of the best existing model ranges in warhammer.

Also Bretonnian's rare knight unit (Grail knights) are one of the best cavalry units in the game, beaten only perhaps by Blood Knights from the VC list, my guess is you're referring to the special choice questing knights who suffered slightly from the nerfing of mounted great weapons in 7th Ed.

I wouldn't read too much into that. I run both Tomb Kings and Dark Elves, and there are a lot of Dark Elf models that aren't available in-store at this time. Cold One Chariots, Cauldron of Blood, Manticore, and even Harpies iirc, are all currently only available direct from GW. And Dark Elves aren't about to get withdrawn.

The owner of my local game store even approached me about buying my Cauldron so that his son could use it in his army!

It's a problem that seems to be afflicting more than just Tomb Kings, and I'm starting to see a lot of cranky Dark Elf players because of this.

Also worth noting is that our Tomb Guard has been repackaged in small boxes of five instead of being sold in a blister of three. To me this suggests that for the time being GW intends to keep selling Tomb Kings.


As far as the Tomb King rumors go, here's something that I mentioned in the rumor thread in the general forum -

Harry at Warseer is regarded as a very reliable source whose rumor information seems to be spot on, and probably has an inside line at GW. He said the following (paraphrase) -

"If I were to talk about the army after Beastmen, then I wouldn't be talking about Tomb Kings."

This has triggered some discussion in the Tomb Kings rumor thread, as it's been noted that Harry's comment has a dual meaning.

- It could mean that the Tomb Kings army book won't be the army book released after Beasts of Chaos. If that's the case, then I suspect that we have a long wait due to the point that others have noted - we're not likely to get a new army book right after a new edition of the game is released.
- It could be that Harry was being a twit and including ALL GW armies in the statement. Hence, the rumored release of the Blood Angels codex after Beasts of Chaos would mean that the army after Beasts was indeed not the Tomb Kings. In that case, Tomb Kings could indeed be the next release for WFB after Beasts.

Harry, of course, refuses to elaborate.




I'm hoping it's the second scenario myself, but I've got a feeling that it's actually the first.

i think there wil be an 40k army between them so he will say somthings about that first