Tk Vs Vc

I wonder how a TK-army can beat a VC-army....

i played against my frien some days ago (he plays VC) and i didnt have a chance...

the vampire is imo much better than a Tomb king, their summon magic is more powerful and they dont fear us...

he had one strigoi lord and a thrall and 2 necromancers, a black coach some spirit-hosts dire-wolves, zombies, ghouls and skeleton and some skeleton horsemen.... i only killed the dire-wolves, black coach and his horsemen the rest was almost like when we started. and i had nothing left.. i used Khalida in this battle along with SSC, bone giant, 3x16 bowmen with blessing of asp, 1 scorpion 13 tomb guards 3 chariots and 2 lieche priests

do u guys have any tip on how to beat them...

First, in 2000pts he can't use 1 Lord, 1 Thrall and 2 necros (because a Lord counts as 2 heroes options), second, kill a Black Coach is really cool You killed is Black Knights? (horsemen like you said).. Man, you killed almost half is army by killing is Black Coach (200pts) and is Black Knights (all armed= 25pts each) And against VC army use a Casket of Souls, a BG, Skeleton Warriors with Bow, 1TK+3LP, Chariots and Ushabti (and add magical weapons to the models so they can kill ethereal units.. And if you can't, try to outnumber them so they lose for CR)

Anything with magic weapon is good against a VC player with lost of ethereal units. TG, chariot of fire and of course "regular" magic weapons.

For me the biggest problem with VC is the maxed out fighter chars (but I have that problem with any race be it chaos, VC or HE on dragon etc).

Try and throw as much at one unit at a time as you can. The biggest problem with VC is that they can hold your units up and grind them down (as you have noticed their summoning is better then ours). So only charge something that you know you can kill in one turn (they do crumble just as easily as we do).

Once the horsemen are dead (the biggest threat) go after the skirmishers next. If you can get at the characters (with scorpion and carrions) then those are always worth the kill Once those three are out the game is yours.

So what should your army look like? I agree with Raziel for almost everything. i would not use the archers (unless you play khalida obviously). CoS, SSC, BG, chariots, Ushabti are all good against VC as they have good hitting power. Remember that the SSC has magical attacks

Whether you want to go for CoS, SSC or GB is rather a matter of personal playing style. I would go for a highly manoeuvreable army with lots of chariots and heavy cav.

Maybe you want to get a large block of cheap hw/shield skellies to receive the charge of those horsemen. Make it large enough to survive the initial beating, then answer the charge with some heavy horsemen from the flank (for rank stealing and for your own ranks) and some chariots (for kills) and the horsemen are history. After that its happy hunting as you should be able to outmanoeuvre everything else.

Hope that helped a little
Nedorus

if you're playing against vampire counts, NEVER use defencive armies with lots of shooting units. The SSC loses its purpose against undead, and the arrows of the asp wont kill enough. You'll have to rely on chariots, ushabtis, tomb guard and hard hitting units.

Sounds fair ^^ I would like to see a Settra army go against a vc pretty sight

ok thanks for the replies ill try to be more offensive in my battle against VC's. but im wondering if our horsemen is any good.. i have always thought they are weak, how many and of witch type should i get if i want to buy some?? and how should i use the ones i get??

i played TK vs VC and won. I just stayed on the defensive. my 3 ushabti were killing about 10 skellies a turn, and my tomb guard were surrounded by skellies and zobies and killed everything in their path. my skeletons were just hacked apart. The only reason my TG stayed alive so long was because i had a tomb king with the spear of antarhak and banner of the undying legion, plus i killed about 5 a turn, winning the combat by around 2 or 3 every time. my ushabti were on the flank and just massacred everything. they killed 20 raised skeletons in 2 turns, killing 6 and then winning the combat by 7.

LOL and more lol.. Where is the Vampire in that all? and the Black Knights? And a Black Coach or Banshee? Hmmm.. My army of VC is just Heavy magic and powerfull CC, (few Skeletons) and the Zombies and Skeletons come from bringing with the 1st spell so it wouldn't be so easy like you said.. But where is the f*cking Lord? This is really strange

I played 3 times against VC and won 2 times playing defensive with alot of shooty units, you know he will be coming for you, so let him come.

He will not get his fast vampire on a nightmare/ dragon move ahead without its (compact) army, so he will be moving not that fast (normaly).

I find the casket/bone giant combo quite usefull against VC since the Bone giant hits on a 3+ instead of a usual 4+ against skeletons.

i used 2 units of 16 archers, for this ---> not that many points value but if you can get them to shoot both twice in your turn, then when hes in charge range counter charge him (when possible).

The use of a SSC is indeed somewhat limited because of the missing fear test,
but if you can hit the general straight on (nightmare/dragon) its possible to almost end the game in turn 1.

Greets.

I would think a casket would be really good against them. I played against them with my bretonnians and what really hurt was the charge of his thrall in his knight unit ouch

I once used my Bone Giant and Ushabti on a friends VC Army and went on a Skeleton and Zombie killing rampage.

He converted to TK not long after that