2500 Entombed Purple Torp Vs Dwarfs, yeah it's gonna be as dirty as it sounds

I've got 2 games coming up this afternoon. This is my first, here's the list

2500
Core 769 645
Chariots x 11 FC (BSB goes here and arkhan go here) will run 4x3 pushing arkhan to second rank


Special 741
Necro knights x4 FC entombed
Stalkers x 3
2 tomb scorpions
carrion x 4

Rare 310
casket
HT

Lords 415
Arkhan, chariot

Hero 389
lv 2 death LP, cloak of dunes, entombed via banner
herald, chariot, BSB, hidden dead, spear, shield

I'm just realizing now that I only have 4 units and some characters to put down at deployment, with another 5 units that will be entombed. If nothing else this will be a ton of fun to play. Maybe my tomb scorpions will have something to do besides die when I pop up since there are so many better targets for my opponent to shoot at.

Sounds like fun. Plan your 12" ETBS bubble well!

Can't wait to see how this goes. It's so crazy it might work!

This gets my stamp of approval.

3 games in today against dwarves with this list. It didn't go well at all.

his list
Huge unit of long beards with a BSB rune guy that gave him +1 DD they were immune to fear/terror, 5++ vs shooting
lord on the anvil
10 handgunners
3 cannons all flaming and a grudge thrower.

I'll break down all 3 games for you real quick.

3 cannon snipes and a grudge thrower at arkhan every turn. arkhan died on turns 1 (before I went) turn 2 (i got 1 turn) and turn 2 (I got 2 turns) My army crumbled badly each time.

i never lost a entombed model to misfire, and all of them came up by turn 3 every game

all 3 games he destroyed purple sun with the rune that both dispells and destroys the spell on a 4+

he also killed the flying caster every game by striking the hammer with ancient power.

All 3 games were a slaughter. I killed a total in all the games 1 unit of hand gunners and 1 cannon (in the same game) in the other 2 games he lost NOTHING

slow moving armies (half movement from the anvil) can do nothing against a gunline. He targeted carrion, chariots, caster with the anvil, castled in the corner so i couldn't pop up behind his lines with the entombed units.

He played well, I made some bad mistakes, and had some rotten luck. 3 6 dice attempts at PSoX saw no MiF's and his rune successfully destroy the spell 3 times.

I'll try it again next week against my regular OnG opponent.

...yeah. Dwarves might not have been the best army to face with that list.

That is exactly why I hate playing most dwarf players. Gun lines are not fun in any way, shape, or form.


Also, it really appears like he tailored his entire list specifically for you. 3 cannons? ...I'm gonna take a stab here and say he was expecting you to bring a sphinx or two with a necrotect (or even big blocks of snakes for that matter).

the last time I played against him he asked me to bring a hard list, I brought 3 war sphinx's 2 necro sphinx

Show up next time with 3 groups of 3 stalkers and 3 scorpions?

3 cannons, a grudgethrower, and one tiny unit of handgunners constitutes a gunline? Hardly. Ranks of thunderers and organ guns is more terrifying. Sucks that you failed all of your LoS! rolls. Though, he was in easily explodable Chariots, so my suggestion would be either to deploy in a single rank or use him on foot. Keep them in one rank so that only one chariot dies each turn, then form up the turn before a charge (though this could be like turn 4-5). Archers are expendable and plentiful, keeping Arkhan alive.

A Death + Entombed list has slaughtered every dwarf army to come my way. I guess it just wasn't going to happen for you

let me clarify. I didn't fail EVERY look out sir roll. I failed 1 out of 4 ish first game I failed the very first one, after that i made a few here or there, but he called 6" out with his cannons every time (except the time a grudge thrower rolled a direct hit) and then proceeded to roll 4 followed by not a thud every time. not that on foot or in a chariot arkhan was just as dead from those results.

the problem is his list was a 1200pt+ unit of long beards, the small unit of handgunners behind that, the cannons behind those, and the anvil behind those, all castled in a corner. there was no way to use entombing to get behind his lines, and a massive (and for my army unkillable) unit of murder infront of his gunline. He didn't move at all in any of the games, the one time I got a charge off with my mostly intact chariots they inflicted 20+ casualties to the longbeards and then were cut down and died to crumble.

I'm not saying there aren't TK lists that easily beat dwarves, I'm saying I had rotten luck, he played well, and he had a list that was very very difficult (if not imposible) to beat for my list

It was a gunline, but certainly not the most ridiculous he could make. I agree, organ guns would have made it even more frightening, but the fact remains that dwarves are absolutely no fun to play against for the most part, especially when they castle in a corner like that (super lame).


Anywho, I'd suggest taking arkhan in a massive block of skellies to give him a little bit more survivability.

Okay, were the cannons on a hill in the corner? If they weren't, he had no LOS to be able to shoot the cannons (he has to be able to see the point on the ground from the barrel of the gun) and thus cheated. Solution: don't put hills in corners and force him to spread out.

Remember too, that you get hard cover and likely long range from the Thunderers, since he's shooting through his own unit, making them practically useless (even at short range).

Not at all, unless you fail the LoS roll. Again, set up the Chariots in line-abreast formation. That way, he kills only up to Chariots per turn, keeping the LoS ability for Arkhan. If on foot, then the bodies diminish much slower, keeping him safe. In any case, the odds of him getting those not-misfires that much is pretty low, so blame it on the dice!

Not at all, unless you fail the LoS roll. Again, set up the Chariots in line-abreast formation. That way, he kills only up to Chariots per turn, keeping the LoS ability for Arkhan. If on foot, then the bodies diminish much slower, keeping him safe. In any case, the odds of him getting those not-misfires that much is pretty low, so blame it on the dice!

gw store at a gw table so yes there were hills in all 4 corners and we rolled pretty light for terrain each time. also with true los even without the hills I imagine he would have been able to bust out the laser pointer and find a suitible spot on the table.

Chariots or not, a failed look out sir is a failed look out sir. I rolled a 1 arkhan died. on foot or in a chariot it's the same thing. a cannon ball hit him in the face twice and a grudge thrower landed on his head once, throughout the 4 turns of shooting at him through three games. note on game 1 he died to the very first cannon, game 2 it was something like the 7th shot and game three it was like the 6th, I lost count.

and the thunderer's did nothing. I lost the games to a bunch of cannons and a massive unit of long beards.

Ah yes, a GW store table. Pick one that doesn't have the hill parts in the corner next time?

A failed LoS just plain sucks. Like I said before, just blame it on the dice!

Dwarf gunlines aren't really playable against most amries so if a Dwarf players uses lots of Thunderers, Qs, organ Guns/Cannons and GTs then he knows he fighting a slow army, against things likes elves and Skaven they will shatter most gun lines becuase they can rush in quickly.
And 3 cannons and a GT iwht a 10 Thunderers=not a gunline, I play Dwarfs heavily these days and I never take an army like that.

Did seem like bad luck played a awefully big roll, better luck next time.

The Dwarf players that I play against usually try and pull some sort of similar stuff.

That sucks that you failed all of the LOS rolls.

I think your idea was sound but just had poor rolling.

Unless he had a fighting lord or a unit of warriors that you didn't mention his list was illegal. You can't have more units of longbeards then warriors unless you have a character with the royal blood rule, which is only the dwarf lord (not a runelord). I don't know that it would have made a difference, but just so you know. It seems like every time someone plays against dwarves this comes up.

Take a casket to wreck his war machines.

Average roll is 10 or 11. So, on average, a machine will take 1 wound from the casket every other turn (general nearby of course).

as you can see from the army list i had a casket. he dispelled it everytime i tried to use it.

Try try again.

i'd listen to this guy ^
sounds like he may have cheated, not on purpose