Saiunkoku Monogatari Season 2

I know the project for season 1 is pretty much stalled right now, but would u mind going straight to season 2 right after you get back on track? 19 episodes behind and its already been subbed. I only ask this for everyone waiting for a fansubbing group to take the project and the fact that nobody is currently subbing it.

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I think the girls still want to sub the rest of season 1 and I think that's a good idea. Alot of people have been waiting for kiss to sub the rest of the first season, too.

hmm if it would help i can upload the rest of the episodes by megaupload... if it would speed the process of getting to season 2 even though its from another fansub group. Do these fans know that the series has already been subbed by another group? since you say they have been waiting for the rest of season 1.

I kind of hope season one gets finished here. The one group I know of that finished the season removed all their torrents and the quality was not so good anyway. Though I'm just happy that someone is still willing to sub it at all. Waiting for the release in the states would be mehkfbsdg.

I guess something is better than nothing anway. I love Kiss Sub stuff so I'd redownload all of S1.

I'd just like to have subs for S2 though...

I second that motion. While I understand all the factors keeping the project from getting up to date, I agree the project should proceed with S2 ep 1. Stalled @ 19, that's a 20 episode gap, and episode 6 of S2 airs this weekend.

We all know you guys have real lives, and respect you for that - we also appreciate your work, but season 2 is well underway, and most hard core fans are already up to speed. I've already seen S2 ep 1, and would like to keeep up. Sure after episode 34 of season 1 the subs aren't spectacular, but I'm a writer and editor, so I know my way around cleaning up text as I'm reading. The point is, why waste time creating an even bigger gap, and run the risk of dropping the series because you can't keep up. Summer is here.

Logically speaking, it's time to move forward, then go back and get the last bit of S1 taken care of, once S2 is rolling ahead. Not only that, S1 is still available via 2 other sub groups. Youtube!!!! Hello!

Finally, the domestic release makes re-fansubbing S1 a moot point, so I can't agree with the argument that says people can't wait that long for digitial quality picture and sound. I know Saiun is a sereis I can't wait to add to my DVD collection, not my mac's hd.

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um, sorry, but I just can't agree with this!

I've been waiting patiently for Kiss-Sub's version of SaiuMono , and NO, I don't want to watch We Suck's version. I don't care if its finished, I would prefer watching Kiss's version. Its prettier ahahaha (there are, of course, other reasons. *ahem*

I don't care if you lag behind the second season. Just please please don't do what another fansub has done with NANA *cough* recently, and say you'll "catch up later". I've been looking forward to your next release of SaiuMono, no matter when that will be. It will all be totally spoiled if you decide to release the second season instead.

Sigh, but of course, if the *staff* thinks that it's for the best, then there's nothing I can say, really.

Just giving my two cents. Don't give in to all the impatient people, that's all I ask! ;)

~patient fan

I know you are all for for kisssubs releases for Saiunkoku Monogatari but I think theres many fans waiting for season 2 to be subbed. Lets face it, people waiting for season to have no possiblity of watching it, as for you, you have a chance to watch it through the subbing of another group. Yeah, we-suck doesn't have the best quality but its sumthing right you can adapt to watching it that way. Alot of people are really into this anime (I myself included), and dont want to have to wait months to watch season 2, but yeah your right it is what kisssubs decides whats best.

That's right WS is NOT the only fansubber out there with Saiun, there is another group with very high quality subs that has gotten to episode 33 or 34, so I don't see what the problem is with watching 5 episodes for the time being and bringing yourself up to speed. I know it aint the best, but it's not going to kill you, I'm still alive...Somehow

And I don't recall saying the Kiss folks had to yeild to any pressure from fans and give up on or put S1 on hold for a long period of time. What I did say in agreement with bronxkid's initial post was - It makes much more sense to pick up with S2 since it's out and already at the quarter point of the season, and work on finishing S1 at the same time. I don't mind waiting a few weeks in-between episodes, but waiting till the fall or even later for something I've already gotten a taste of is kinda frustrating. You do have to admit many sub groups have worked on batches of episodes from various seasons of a series before and it worked out just fine. Who cares about NANA, let's focus on the here and now. But, at least you see what happens when a gap between seasons gets too wide, and the sub group tries to be almighty about it. Life gets in the way, and nobody is getting paid for this. I'm pretty sure the ladies want to be heros and finish S1 and no one is saying that can't be done, but it should be looked at logically, on both sides of the fence. That way everyone can benefit, sunny-sun will get a complete and pretty S1 ( I do agree with that sentiment-) and the rest of us, who cheated and survived the bad subs, will get S2.

I don't know how old you are Sunny-Sun, but I recall a time way back in the early days,(I'd say 1900) when fan subs were NOT good and NOT pretty..."All your base are belong to us" - that isn't an urban legend, I know people with copies of that game - Any and all Japanese names were translated as Fanny or Mae lae, and picture quality was... -yes that bad. Not to mention you had to pay for a box full of VHS tapes @ a seedy comic convention, or go to china town to rent a tape from some dive operation out the back of a Triad run store, because there was no BT, Youtube, megaupload, or click and play. I got through it and am still a fan and advocate of fansubs, but I am also realistic about my expectations.

Yes, there would be a lot of support for S2 subs NOW itself.......

GrueSansGirl, I'm probably not as young as you think I am. Although, it does seem like I am relatively new to the fansub scene, unlike you. However, that doesn't mean that I haven't had my share of badsubs. Like, for example, (I am ashamed to admit!!), I watched Pokemon where they translated onigiri as DOUGHNUTS. Needless to say, the rest of the translation wasn't the best either. But I was too busy thinking "Those are some weird doughnuts" to care too much about it, I guess.

But you misunderstand me. I am not opposed against We Suck and ShadowDreams simply because their subs are "not up to my standard". I am not even claiming that KissSubs are the best. (Although, I'm sure they are of course. *cough*) I cannot honestly say that though, because I haven't even checked out ShadowDreams' subs, nor We Suck. But you know... they are the group I started out with, and I don't intend to change that. I (and hopefully, some other people as well) chose KissSubs for a reason, and to say that we should just watch subs from another group while Kiss should go on to the next season is just... well, can you see it from my point of view? If that were the case, then what was the point of waiting all this time?

So my point is. No. I will not change fansubs UNLESS they decide to drop it. I am probably one of the few people still waiting for AnimeOne to finish the last few (admittedly filler) episodes of Naruto. Silly, you say? Why do I do it? Because I started with AnimeOne and I will stick with them to the very end. In a very bad analogy, changing fansubs to a faster group (or some other reason) in the middle of watching a series would be like changing to a different football team in the middle of a season, simply because they are winning more games or have hotter people, or something. But that, of course, is only my humble opinion. :)

Yes, you say that you're not pressuring them to do anything, but with the sudden influx of people asking for season 2, how can they not feel like they should do something? Of course, fansubbers can be a pretty strict bunch and will keep to their goals regardless of what the leechers say, but I am not familiar enough with Kiss to know how they will react. What annoys me about these people though, is that some of them probably didn't even care about the existence of Kiss Subs before the series got dropped by We Suck. :S

And yes, you say that they can work on both seasons at the same time. But that will just make our wait longer, right? We have been waiting for months now, and you guys just barely a week (?). So even if we both have to wait longer for dose of SaiuMono, our wait will still be much more... hmmm, how to say it.... not quite unfair, not quite long either.... we just have to wait more, I guess. And that just doesn't seem fair to me.

Before anyone attacks me for being a selfish brat. Yes, I see where you're coming from. Your series got dropped, and its only natural that you would want it after a shorter wait and not when Kiss finally catches up to season 2. But you know... we've been waiting all this time, so perhaps its your turn now?

Just a thought, haha. Although, realistically, I suppose it would be best if the staff work on both seasons at the same time (with no bias on either of the seasons). All that I was asking in my first post was that they do not start season 2 and say they'll catch up later with season 1 (i.e. after season 2 finishes). Although again, it is completely up to the Kiss Subs staff themselves, and I am in *no way* demanding for anything from them. (Just thought I should add that :) ) I am just here to give the view of the other side of the fence, although again, I do not claim to share this view with all people waiting for rest of season 1 from Kiss.

And to those of you who are still reading, congratulations! You have discovered how much of a blabbermouth i can be. I do hope you get my points though.

GrueSansGirl, I'm probably not as young as you think I am. Although, it does seem like I am relatively new to the fansub scene, unlike you. However, that doesn't mean that I haven't had my share of badsubs. Like, for example, (I am ashamed to admit!!), I watched Pokemon where they translated onigiri as DOUGHNUTS. Needless to say, the rest of the translation wasn't the best either. But I was too busy thinking "Those are some weird doughnuts" to care too much about it, I guess.

But you misunderstand me. I am not opposed against We Suck and ShadowDreams simply because their subs are "not up to my standard". I am not even claiming that KissSubs are the best. (Although, I'm sure they are of course. *cough*) I cannot honestly say that though, because I haven't even checked out ShadowDreams' subs, nor We Suck. But you know... they are the group I started out with, and I don't intend to change that. I (and hopefully, some other people as well) chose KissSubs for a reason, and to say that we should just watch subs from another group while Kiss should go on to the next season is just... well, can you see it from my point of view? If that were the case, then what was the point of waiting all this time?

So my point is. No. I will not change fansubs UNLESS they decide to drop it. I am probably one of the few people still waiting for AnimeOne to finish the last few (admittedly filler) episodes of Naruto. Silly, you say? Why do I do it? Because I started with AnimeOne and I will stick with them to the very end. In a very bad analogy, changing fansubs to a faster group (or some other reason) in the middle of watching a series would be like changing to a different football team in the middle of a season, simply because they are winning more games or have hotter people, or something. But that, of course, is only my humble opinion. :)

Yes, you say that you're not pressuring them to do anything, but with the sudden influx of people asking for season 2, how can they not feel like they should do something? Of course, fansubbers can be a pretty strict bunch and will keep to their goals regardless of what the leechers say, but I am not familiar enough with Kiss to know how they will react. What annoys me about these people though, is that some of them probably didn't even care about the existence of Kiss Subs before the series got dropped by We Suck. :S

And yes, you say that they can work on both seasons at the same time. But that will just make our wait longer, right? We have been waiting for months now, and you guys just barely a week (?). So even if we both have to wait longer for dose of SaiuMono, our wait will still be much more... hmmm, how to say it.... not quite unfair, not quite long either.... we just have to wait more, I guess. And that just doesn't seem fair to me.

Before anyone attacks me for being a selfish brat. Yes, I see where you're coming from. Your series got dropped, and its only natural that you would want it after a shorter wait and not when Kiss finally catches up to season 2. But you know... we've been waiting all this time, so perhaps its your turn now?

Just a thought, haha. Although, realistically, I suppose it would be best if the staff work on both seasons at the same time (with no bias on either of the seasons). All that I was asking in my first post was that they do not start season 2 and say they'll catch up later with season 1 (i.e. after season 2 finishes). Although again, it is completely up to the Kiss Subs staff themselves, and I am in *no way* demanding for anything from them. (Just thought I should add that :) ) I am just here to give the view of the other side of the fence, although again, I do not claim to share this view with all people waiting for rest of season 1 from Kiss.

And to those of you who are still reading, congratulations! You have discovered how much of a blabbermouth i can be. I do hope you get my points though.

You say it so easy but i don't think anyone wants to wait 5 months for anybody to catch up for any anime. If you can wait that long maybe your not that into the anime... If your waiting for anime one to finish the naruto fillers.....you have to say that just dumb. You can't use your excuse about quality because all the fansubbers subbing naruto now have good quality. You said it yourself your new to anime. But yeah its all up to kiss-subs to decide.

If that were the case, then what was the point of waiting all this time?

There was no point. I don't see why you did except for a very exaggerated sense of loyalty.

I started out with Suck, Kiss subs and then switched to Shadow and then back to Suck because they were faster.

However I plan on download S1 of Kiss Sub when they released it in full. That settles the consistency matter for me.

So my point is. No. I will not change fansubs UNLESS they decide to drop it.

No one is telling you to change fansubs, but if you can wait that long for Saiunkoku eps to come out, then surely you can wait longer untill they finish S2 and go back to S1. There are many more fans who are impatient for S2 and already 6 weeks worth of episodes are out.

hat annoys me about these people though, is that some of them probably didn't even care about the existence of Kiss Subs before the series got dropped by We Suck. :S

There are two things most fans look at when choosing a sub group 1) Quality and 2) Timeliness. Downloading other sub groups to find out what is happening isn't 'cheating' on Kiss Subs, it's reasonable, given that other groups are faster but maybe not as good to keep watching. I download Suck and Shadow Dreams, watch and then delete. The copy I burn to DVD for keeps will be Kiss.

So my point is. No. I will not change fansubs UNLESS they decide to drop it. I am probably one of the few people still waiting for AnimeOne to finish the last few (admittedly filler) episodes of Naruto. Silly, you say? Why do I do it? Because I started with AnimeOne and I will stick with them to the very end. In a very bad analogy, changing fansubs to a faster group (or some other reason) in the middle of watching a series would be like changing to a different football team in the middle of a season, simply because they are winning more games or have hotter people, or something. But that, of course, is only my humble opinion. :)

Yes, you say that you're not pressuring them to do anything, but with the sudden influx of people asking for season 2, how can they not feel like they should do something? Of course, fansubbers can be a pretty strict bunch and will keep to their goals regardless of what the leechers say, but I am not familiar enough with Kiss to know how they will react. What annoys me about these people though, is that some of them probably didn't even care about the existence of Kiss Subs before the series got dropped by We Suck. :S

And yes, you say that they can work on both seasons at the same time. But that will just make our wait longer, right? We have been waiting for months now, and you guys just barely a week (?). So even if we both have to wait longer for dose of SaiuMono, our wait will still be much more... hmmm, how to say it.... not quite unfair, not quite long either.... we just have to wait more, I guess. And that just doesn't seem fair to me.

Before anyone attacks me for being a selfish brat. Yes, I see where you're coming from. Your series got dropped, and its only natural that you would want it after a shorter wait and not when Kiss finally catches up to season 2. But you know... we've been waiting all this time, so perhaps its your turn now?

Nobody told you to wait for just Kiss Subs episodes, that's your fault, your decision, you carry the weight of that. However, the fact that the other subbers decided to drop S2 is circumstances beyond our control. So in reality, it's not fair that we should wait because you didn't have the sense to download and see what's happening when the episodes came out just because you felt that you had to prove your loyalty to Kiss Subs.

Basically all you've said is: "I have waited so long for Kiss Subs and it's not fair that I should have to wait more, just because I waited for Kiss Sub eps"

Well, kudos to your patience. Unfortunately I would say that many of the other fans aren't possessed with your kind of patience and by popular demand and common sense S2 should be subbed now, since it's airing rather than going over ground already covered by 2 other sub groups.

It doesn't make sense to resub an anime that other groups have done a passable job at. For consistency, sure it would be better for them to sub S1 also but that can also happened after subbing S2 and fulfilling fans immediate demands right? I bet anything that people who are new to Saiunkoku will chose the team that has subbed BOTH seasons faster rather than having to switch if S2 is done first.

It's in Kiss Subs best interests to sub S2 now as most new fans not likely to choose Kiss Subs S1 eps because they are incomplete and S2 is already airing with S1 already finished by other groups.

S2 subs will bring Kiss Subs to the attention of old and new fans.

If Kiss Subs goes the S1 and then S2 way, I'm pretty sure that most older fans won't bother with subs because by that time S2 probably would have finished hair and then with all the blog summaries and translations up with the raws people would already know what's going on anyway. Not to mention people will start releasing the DVD versions of S1 and possibly S2 by then making Kiss Sub Si subs redundant.

At least doing S2 subs now would ensure that a lot of fans would prefer to have all their Saiunkoku subs by one group and therefore would download S1 Kiss subs as well.

.....wow. o_o
This sure sparked some heated debate.
In any case I thought I would drop my opinion by. I personally have seen all of season one, and I am desperatly waiting for a group to sub season two. So..... I would second the motion to skip straight to two please?

haha, nice. bronxkid and ishtar, you two exhibit selective reading at its very best. Perhaps you got tired of reading already at that point, but maybe have a look at my second-last paragraph...

Ah... I've remembered now one of the reasons why I dislike forums... express a view different from majority now, and...

And I'm certainly in the minority here, so I am withdrawing. I never expected peole to agree with my thinking anyway. Ah, there's so many heated things I want to say, and so many heated things that will be said back. It'll be a never-ending cycle, but in the end, it doesn't matter. It all boils down to what Kiss Sub decide to do, and whatever their decision, I will accept happily. (I might not be happy about it, but I will accept it.)

I've done what I've come here to do anyway. I've made my opinion on this heard, as alone on that school of thought as I might be, and at the very least, Kiss will know there is at least one very patient, very loyal fan waiting for their next release of SaiuMono.

PS bronxkid, I am not *that* new to anime/fansubbing. I've been around, and to say that I'm not as "into" anime as you are is very very very very very wrong. Trust me. I am just more patient than most, and amuse myself in other ways. And also, not all fansubbers subbing Naruto have good quality. (at least, in my opinion).

Ta~