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Posted: Nov 14 2009, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (Gauntlet101010 @ Nov 14 2009, 05:10 PM)
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But nobody takes those douchebags' message seriously except themselves.


You would be wise to. This guy did and before now he was not a threat. And where there's one potential extremist, there'll be others. It'd be best if he was shown to be very unheroic and unIslamic. Ideally.

He was a threat before this. The FBI investigated him and somehow came to the conclusion that he was harmless, even though the signs said differently. But that's a whole 'nother arguement.

If what the terrorists were ranting about appealed to him, them's the breaks. The guy's obviously unstable and too receptive of their influence, so there was little we could do to stop that aspect of it.

Bottom line is that the terrorists are going to recruit psychopaths based on them being, y'know, psychopaths. Their message doesn't have much weight to normal people. If one finds themselves nodding in agreement with what they say, there's not much hope of stopping that person, because that person would already be WAY too far gone to begin with. Most of the time, by the time anyone noticed it'd be too late. Those people have and always will exist, except these days we have our convenient terrorist label to use. There is no way we can control that.

Again, though, if the terrorists words have weight with you, then it won't matter what the outcome of Hasan's sentancing will be. They'll find a way to twist it to their advantage, no matter what. Hell, they even attempted to twist Obama's presidential victory in their favor- doesn't matter that it made no sense for them to do so, they did it any ways. Its what they do.


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You should care about what he thinks. That is what should determine his punishment. Whatever will make him the least comfortable. That's justice. If that was death, then I'd support death. In this case life would make him squirm more, therefore it should be life. It's whatever the maximum punishment, in his case, would be.


If our system worked like that, there's little from stopping criminals from using reverse psychology to manipulate the sentance. Hence, if you give their opinion too much weight, the system's cracks become even bigger faults.

Hasan IS a psychologist, so he could easily manipulate such a system to his advantage to get the result he wants. That is why we shouldn't take his wishes too seriously, and just do what makes sense. Killing him makes sense to me. Afterall, it'd be pretty twisted to make the families of his victims pay for his stay in prison via taxes, but that's up to their opinions.


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Posted: Nov 14 2009, 05:49 PM
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I just don't think you're correct on this. You're working only from your own perspective.

We'll have to agree to disagree or it'll go on forever.


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Posted: Nov 15 2009, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE (Gauntlet101010 @ Nov 14 2009, 03:18 PM)
He would die a martyr, with honor, in the eyes of the extremists who are calling him a hero. And in his own eyes as well.

This guy wants to die. Ergo, the worser punishment is life. It's not about making him feel remose. It's about making him suffer.

Justice isn't about making the offender suffer, that's vengeance. It's about protecting innocents and promoting moral responsibility. What positive effect does keeping him alive have on the victims? On Anyone? There is none. He'll just be another hopeless case of unchanging hate in our society that good people are now footing the bill for, and if the only argument is that death is the easy way out for him, then good for him. Happy we could oblige.


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QUOTE (Regulus @ Nov 15 2009, 06:30 PM)
QUOTE (Gauntlet101010 @ Nov 14 2009, 03:18 PM)
He would die a martyr, with honor, in the eyes of the extremists who are calling him a hero.  And in his own eyes as well.

This guy wants to die.  Ergo, the worser punishment is life.  It's not about making him feel remose.  It's about making him suffer.

Justice isn't about making the offender suffer, that's vengeance. It's about protecting innocents and promoting moral responsibility. What positive effect does keeping him alive have on the victims? On Anyone? There is none. He'll just be another hopeless case of unchanging hate in our society that good people are now footing the bill for, and if the only argument is that death is the easy way out for him, then good for him. Happy we could oblige.

Justics is about giving eaqual measure to the offence.

His actions have made the victim's families suffer. Therefore he should suffer.

But it's been a few days and I've thought about it and, like Guantanamo, keeping him alive just might be more trouble than it's worth so a death sentence may be more appropriate. I mean, what I said is applicaple to all these poeople and they can't all be made to rot away in prison.


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