Title: In need of a Armed vehicle
Description: basically in need of a writup.
Strength and nobility - August 8, 2011 12:35 AM (GMT)
I would like to request a Lightly armed All Terrain Recon vehicle able to mount 2 20mm stabilized chainguns,the vehicle must be able to do up to 30 mph(with obstructions) on rought terrain and up to 90 mph on Asphalt and the like,along with the ability to drive on battery power silently for 2 hours,It must carry enough gas for 10 hours of continous travel,it also must be able to be both dropped from a plane and mount 10 people(2 crew+8 passenger) it must also enough lightwieght armor to stop a 7.62x51 mm round.
basically
Name: ATAAM S&NI Para jeep
Armament:2 20mm stabilized chainguns
Armour:lightwieght polymer able to stop a 7.62x51 Nato rounds
Top speed(on flat ground):85 mph
Top speed(Rough ground):30 mph
Range:300 mile over flat ground or 90 miles over rough.
Crew:2+8
Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours silently on battery.
I basically need a writeup.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 8, 2011 03:17 AM (GMT)
Not feasable.
You're more likely only going to reach 30 km/hr on rough terrain, provided there aren't any trees or rock-climbs in the way (there usually are).
To get the speeds you want, it's called a helicopter-gunship.
Samozaryadnyastan - August 8, 2011 11:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hurtful Thoughts @ Aug 8 2011, 04:17 AM) |
Not feasable.
You're more likely only going to reach 30 km/hr on rough terrain, provided there aren't any trees or rock-climbs in the way (there usually are).
To get the speeds you want, it's called a helicopter-gunship. |
This.
I don't think you're going to top 80 or 90mph road speed from even a very light and powerful armoured car, much less since what you want is effectually a BTR (the BTR-90 can do ~60mph road).
30 hours of travel? The BTR, at top speed, can last for 8 hours. An Abrams at top whack manages a bit less than 6 hours.
For endurance, you ought to specify range rather than time. So many factors can impede time of travel - they impede range as well, but range is more easily understood.
Andorianus\Dystopianus - August 8, 2011 03:17 PM (GMT)
Although I understand your requirements, each requirement seems to be based of a RL design +1. Each statistic seems to be overdoing it.
Also, what about armour? Any requirements there?
Strength and nobility - August 8, 2011 03:29 PM (GMT)
Sorry guys,read it again,im gonna make some changes.read it after this post please.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 8, 2011 06:55 PM (GMT)
Electric range is still a bit much.*
The EV-1 only managed 60 miles.
An electric BTR-80 would be lucky to push 10 miles on batteries alone before completely draining itself (and even then, you'd want to keep the APU at idle).
-Getting more range would require filling the crew-compartment with batteries.
Speed isn't going to be nearly as important as acceleration.
And that is largely a factor of traction and hp:ton ratio.
You'll NEVER need more than one chaingun.
Chainguns are inherently *not* prone to jamming.
*Besides, if you're whacking through bushes @ anything faster than a really brisk walk, expect this thing to make ALOT of noise as it crushes vegetation.
Armor, armorment, capacity, and range looks like what I'd find on an MH-60 blackhawk.
-It would be able to do the exact same things, except a heck of a lot faster.
Andorianus\Dystopianus - August 8, 2011 08:05 PM (GMT)
Oh, forgot to add, tbh there is no reason why you'd ever want to run on battery power alone. The only reason I can think of is reducing acoustic signature, but it's not like enemies can hear you coming before they can see you coming. Besides that tracks themself make noise too.
The Man - August 8, 2011 08:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Andorianus\Dystopianus @ Aug 8 2011, 09:05 PM) |
| Oh, forgot to add, tbh there is no reason why you'd ever want to run on battery power alone. The only reason I can think of is reducing acoustic signature, but it's not like enemies can hear you coming before they can see you coming. Besides that tracks themself make noise too. |
He didn't say anything about tracks, I actually assumed that it was wheeled, like the BTR.
Andorianus\Dystopianus - August 8, 2011 08:47 PM (GMT)
I just saw your new requirements. It seems like you have a fairly good idea of what you want; how about we make a writeup for your statblock together?
Strength and nobility - August 8, 2011 08:50 PM (GMT)
Heres a better version of my statblock
Name: ATAAM S&NI Para jeep
Armament:1 20mm stabilized chainguns
Armour:lightwieght polymer able to stop a 7.62x51 Nato rounds
Engine/s:1 V-8 engine that runs on petrol,max speed of 85 mph over smooth ground and 15 mph over rough ground along with an electric engine that can do 42.5 mph over smooth ground and 7.5 mph over rough ground
Top speed(on flat ground):85 mph
Top speed(Rough ground):15 mph
Range:300 miles over flat ground or 90 miles over rough.
Crew:2+8
Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours silently on battery but only at a range of 5 miles.
still need a write up[SIZE=1]
Strength and nobility - August 8, 2011 08:52 PM (GMT)
Heres a better version of my statblock
Name: ATAAM S&NI Para jeep
Armament:1 20mm stabilized chainguns
Armour:lightwieght polymer able to stop a 7.62x51 Nato rounds
Engine/s:1 V-8 engine that runs on petrol,max speed of 85 mph over smooth ground and 15 mph over rough ground along with an electric engine that can do 42.5 mph over smooth ground and 7.5 mph over rough ground
Top speed(on flat ground):85 mph
Top speed(Rough ground):15 mph
Range:300 miles over flat ground or 90 miles over rough.
Crew:2+8
Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours silently on battery but only at a range of 5 miles.
i still need a write up.
Allanea - August 10, 2011 10:15 AM (GMT)
[quote]Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours silently on battery but only at a range of 5 miles[./quote]
So it moves at a slower-than-walking pace?
Questions to those who know: there is IRL a range of hybrid vehicles like the Dodge Durango and
some others.
What stops us from militarizing them?
Samozaryadnyastan - August 10, 2011 11:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Allanea @ Aug 10 2011, 11:15 AM) |
[quote]Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours silently on battery but only at a range of 5 miles./quote]
So it moves at a slower-than-walking pace?
Questions to those who know: there is IRL a range of hybrid vehicles like the Dodge Durango and some others.
What stops us from militarizing them? |
Stigma around hybrids we can thank the God-awful Prius for.
Sumer - August 10, 2011 12:12 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 10 2011, 08:13 AM) |
[QUOTE=Allanea,Aug 10 2011, 11:15 AM] [quote]Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours silently on battery but only at a range of 5 miles./quote]
So it moves at a slower-than-walking pace?
Questions to those who know: there is IRL a range of hybrid vehicles like the Dodge Durango and some others.
What stops us from militarizing them? [/QUOTE] Stigma around hybrids we can thank the God-awful Prius for. |
Nope.
Ruggedization.
Yes, i invented that word.
but roughly, it's a great civillian truck (Great, driven one). But it won't cut it for military purposes because it doesn't meet the minimum limits yet. Generally hybrid vehicles are still too fine to be considered for what is needed.
For replacing a MILCOTS truck, for liason on roads in friendly countries with no combat needs, it's accecptable. But in RL most nations have hoardsof CW era vehicles to do this, for now. But for deployment, it's still too delicate to be warranted. Delicate, and above all else, still too maintenence intensive and specialised. The last being the most important.
Strength and nobility - August 10, 2011 12:52 PM (GMT)
so will anyone actually design it for me? you can chage it but it must have 2 engines and all of the things specified in my latest statblock.
Sumer - August 10, 2011 01:19 PM (GMT)
Your requierments are still a little high, especially for a military hybrid.
The US tried it, and failed, and this is the product:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/shadow/You will note it is lighter, less armed, far less armoured, and it's hybrid system can do a whopping 32 miles on electric-only. That's 16 miles an hour on your needs.
To be frank, all your other requierments don't make sense. Is it a light vehicle? if so why is it carrying teo heavy automatic cannons? Why two cannons at that? Why the large crew (2+8) for a scout vehicle? So on and so on in terms of questions that need to be answered for anyone to help.
Strength and nobility - August 10, 2011 01:27 PM (GMT)
okay let me refix it,(its PMT-Early FT)
Name: ATAAM S&NI Para jeep
Armament:1 10mm stabilized chainguns+any wepaons held by passengers
Armour:lightwieght polymer able to stop a 7.62x51 Nato rounds
Top speed(on flat ground):85 mph
Top speed(Rough ground):30 mph
Range:300 mile over flat ground or 90 miles over rough.
Crew:2+4 passengers
Special abilities:Able to drive for 2 hours without fuel on an electric battery with a rang eof 36 miles.
Sumer - August 10, 2011 01:42 PM (GMT)
If it's late PMT, early FT, you can use handwavium batteries and make it all-electric and use lasers or some such. At that level it's pretty much fantasy.
Strength and nobility - August 10, 2011 01:46 PM (GMT)
Hurtful Thoughts - August 10, 2011 09:33 PM (GMT)
At early PMT, V10's R2 rifle would tear it to shreds and modern sensors would hear the vibrations of those rubber tires snapping twigs from half a mile away.
Infra-red and Radar would be pretty nasty, too.
Why not use a straight-up .50 caliber (12.7x25mm AE)?
Strength and nobility - August 10, 2011 10:34 PM (GMT)
okay now how about someone just design me one,this is what this thread is for.
you can change it but it must hold 4 passengers and 2 crew along with having 1 50.cal gun,being able to be dropped from plane/helicopter,open chassis,able to go over all terrains,2 engines: 1 electric and 1 petrol.
Allanea - August 10, 2011 10:46 PM (GMT)
Wait, you're trying to have a quiet vehicle to sneak up on people?
Won't work.
Modern manportable RADAR can detect moving vehicles at 10 kilometers.
Modern landmines can track the sound of the wheels on vehicles out to 200 meters.
Strength and nobility - August 10, 2011 11:02 PM (GMT)
nope not silent,just fast and deadly.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 10, 2011 11:43 PM (GMT)
How do you want your gas/electric drive?Dual-mode? (yes, but how do you want it driven?)
Petrol-generator with an electric final-drive?
Petrol-driven with electronic assist?
Ultimately, dual-mode only makes sense for
much bigger and with a smaller area of operation.
-Like
a three-quarter ton truck for hauling bombs around an airfield.
Not a gun-running dune-buggy meant to penetrate deep behind enemy lines.
Strength and nobility - August 11, 2011 11:55 AM (GMT)
okay scrap the electric engine,jsut use a V6 DOHC Supercharged Fuel Stratified Injection as the engine,but make it able to d everything else.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 11, 2011 05:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Strength and nobility @ Aug 11 2011, 06:55 AM) |
| okay scrap the electric engine,jsut use a V6 DOHC Supercharged Fuel Stratified Injection as the engine,but make it able to d everything else. |
Dual-mode (or at least a 24-volt system) is still pretty useful for portable vehicle-to-grid applications and for when you just want to jockey shit around the warehouse.
The old M-38 Jeep had a PTO-driven generator for turning it into an awesome farm-tool.
Currently, your request is looking more and more like a standard HMMWV,
VBL, or Land-Rover.

A straight-4 Diesel would probably be enough.
If you want to cut-down on resonance (engine purr), an odd number of cylinders and a good flywheel seems to do the trick.
So 3 or 5 cylinders, could probaly stagger a V to make it a little more compact without making it too prone to overheating.
Andorianus\Dystopianus - August 11, 2011 05:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| At early PMT, V10's R2 rifle would tear it to shreds |
At a small sidenote, wouldn't V10's rifle shred anything but a well armoured IFV?
Strength and nobility - August 11, 2011 05:45 PM (GMT)
k,well can someone please jsut design the hting,use any engine,wheel's,jsut make it droppable from planes and able to go over rough ground,it also has to have an open chassis and 1 mounted weapon.
Bloody_Sahara - August 11, 2011 10:21 PM (GMT)

now just open the chassis.
Strength and nobility - August 11, 2011 10:41 PM (GMT)
not what i was going for,i was going for a more

ish just a bit bigger,so it can carry 4 passengers.
CuriousCatgirl - August 11, 2011 11:54 PM (GMT)
Strength and nobility - August 12, 2011 12:02 AM (GMT)
that would be no use,not what im looking for.
CuriousCatgirl - August 12, 2011 12:43 AM (GMT)
it fits all your requirements sans armament and you could probably fit a single 20mm on there if you're wanting to risk breaking everyone's ear drums/glass of the vehicle
Hurtful Thoughts - August 12, 2011 12:43 AM (GMT)
Why not?
It meets all your current requirements.
And I already sugested the CUCV-III and Land-Rover Wolf /w/ WMIK
Strength and nobility - August 12, 2011 01:38 AM (GMT)
i think ill go with the MWMIK now.
Allanea - August 12, 2011 06:38 AM (GMT)
How did it fail? Does it function to the specifications outlined in that link or not?
Sumer - August 15, 2011 11:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Allanea @ Aug 12 2011, 03:38 AM) |
| How did it fail? Does it function to the specifications outlined in that link or not?
|
The specifications outlined there are what it did. What it was built to do are not actually outlined there, and it did not acomplish those to a measure enough to buy.
Bloody_Sahara - October 11, 2011 10:17 PM (GMT)