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Title: TK-X (MBT-X) Type 10A "Kublai Khan" FMBT
Description: Type 10A "Kublai Khan" FMBT project


UchihaMadara971 - November 15, 2011 05:49 AM (GMT)
Can anyone design me a main battle tank image for this new tank I have in mind?

Weight: 76 tonnes
Length (with gun extended forward): 12.56 m
Height: 3.21 m
Width: 4.25 m
Length of gun: 9 m
Track width: 805 mm
Ground clearance: 600 mm
Maximum speed: 100 km/h
Cross country speed: 83 km/h
Speed 10% Slope: 35 km/h
Speed 60% slope: 27 km/h
Acceleration: (0 to 46 km/h) 3.1 seconds
Range: 750 km
Range (external tank fuel): 950 km
Trench crossing: 4.05 m
Vertical obstacle: 2.14 m
Fording without preparation: 1.83 m
Fording with preparation: 3.71 m
Suspension: PLA-119 Type A-II Hydropneumatic Active suspension
Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon
Secondary armament: 1x Type Shiro 40-mm Electro-magnetic rail cannon; with/or 1 x Ishikawajima IH-119 Type B-IIA Heavy Metal Storms Pod RWS - einsteinium rounds - 40-mm
Tertiary/Additional armaments: 1 x Arisaka Type 100 heavy machine gun
4 x Sumitomo NTK_62 machine guns; using 7.62x51mm NATO rounds; up to 750 rounds per minute
Co-axial 1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23M (Modernized variant) 23×115-mm autcannon (10,000 rpm), OR
Co-axial 1x GIAT 30 (30-mm) autocannon (2,500 rpm)
1 x Remote Weapon System - ballistic einsteinium 60-mm Type 11 Reichmetall

Forza - November 15, 2011 07:39 AM (GMT)
Welcome to NSD.

Firstly, this isn't how the board works. What actually happens: people on this board examine your design, offer advice on how it could be improved and point out any flaws with it. For that to happen, you need to post the specifications and the write up for it otherwise our help is very limited.

Secondly, visit the LINC forums for help on drawing an image. http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?

RRoan - November 15, 2011 10:34 AM (GMT)
user posted image

Praetonia - November 15, 2011 12:43 PM (GMT)
A number of people have tried to commission complete drawings and the bottom line is that unless it is either very simple or someone who can draw knows and likes you already you're almost certainly not going to get a good tank drawing (equivalent to at least several hours' work) for free.

Satirius - November 15, 2011 02:53 PM (GMT)
It's probably a bad idea to join NSD and make your first post one that asks for a drawing with very little information on what to draw.

UchihaMadara971 - November 15, 2011 10:05 PM (GMT)
I have fixed it. The specifications have been added.

Allanea - November 15, 2011 10:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (UchihaMadara971 @ Nov 15 2011, 12:49 AM)
Can anyone design me a main battle tank image for this new tank I have in mind?

Weight: 76 tonnes
Length (with gun extended forward): 12.56 m
Height: 3.21 m
Width: 4.25 m
Length of gun: 9 m
Track width: 805 mm
Ground clearance: 600 mm
Maximum speed: 100 km/h
Cross country speed: 83 km/h
Speed 10% Slope: 35 km/h
Speed 60% slope: 27 km/h
Acceleration: (0 to 46 km/h) 3.1 seconds
Range: 750 km
Range (external tank fuel): 950 km
Trench crossing: 4.05 m
Vertical obstacle: 2.14 m
Fording without preparation: 1.83 m
Fording with preparation: 3.71 m
Suspension: PLA-119 Type A-II Hydropneumatic Active suspension
Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon
Secondary armament: 1x Type Shiro 40-mm Electro-magnetic rail cannon; with/or 1 x Ishikawajima IH-119 Type B-IIA Heavy Metal Storms Pod RWS - einsteinium rounds - 40-mm - 1 milion rounds per minute (available in the Type 10-AII variant only)
Tertiary/Additional armaments: 1 x Arisaka Type 100 heavy machine gun
4 x Sumitomo NTK_62 machine guns; using 7.62x51mm NATO rounds; up to 750 rounds per minute
Co-axial 1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23M (Modernized variant) 23×115-mm autcannon (10,000 rpm), OR
Co-axial 1x GIAT 30 (30-mm) autocannon (2,500 rpm)
1 x Remote Weapon System - ballistic einsteinium 60-mm Type 11 Reichmetall
9 x S-400 Triumf 40N6 Hypersonic SAM, OR
20 x Type 99 Matsu BLATGM with APKWS capability
23 x Fragmentary Grenade Launchers

Please explain.

Are you actually joking or do you seriously want to mount nine S-400 Triumphs on a tank?

Crookfur - November 15, 2011 10:40 PM (GMT)
To be perfectly frank I doubt anyone on NSD would ever want to have anything to do with your design as is.

Not that NSD is for art requests, thats is what LINC is for:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?

Allanea - November 15, 2011 11:03 PM (GMT)
1. What is a doublecannon?

2. Where do the HellFire missiles fit?

3. What is the hull length of the tank? What ground pressure does it exert? In other terms, how do you ensure the mobility of a 75-ton tank?

4. Can you list your tank's weapons in a more legible way?

Purpelia - November 15, 2011 11:05 PM (GMT)
Hm... where do I start?

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Length (with gun extended forward): 12.56 m

This is a tad long for a tank. Not impossible but a tad long.

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Length of gun: 9 m

7m rule. Any gun barrel longer than 7 meters has the combat effectiveness of a wet noddle. (Vibrations from the long barrel mess things up)

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Maximum speed: 100 km/h

With 76 tons? Er... I guess if you installed rocket busters on it. Maybe you are using the S-400 engines for the bust?

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Cross country speed: 83 km/h

I have seen hovertanks that can't match that.

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Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm

Given a 175mm gun you are already severely entering the huge tank destroyer category. Its not that it cant be done. But th massive shells will be grossly overkill for any use and will cut down your ammunition stocks to the point where you will be lucky to carry a handfull of them in your tank.

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ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon

Please tell me double cannon does not mean two gun barrels put together? Please...

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Secondary armament: 1x Type Shiro 40-mm Electro-magnetic rail cannon;

If you are doing FT and railguns, than why are you bothering with ETC guns? Or realism? Seriously, just mount a railgun for your main weapon.

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Tertiary/Additional armaments: 1 x Arisaka Type 100 heavy machine gun
4 x Sumitomo NTK_62 machine guns; using 7.62x51mm NATO rounds; up to 750 rounds per minute

Either you have been playing way too much Red Alert 2 or reading way too many Polsen War books. One machine gun per tank is fine, two is good, 5 is so much over the top that the Landship Committee would be proud of you.

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Co-axial 1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23M (Modernized variant) 23×115-mm autcannon (10,000 rpm), OR
Co-axial 1x GIAT 30 (30-mm) autocannon (2,500 rpm)

I would advise you against using multiple barreled gatling canons meant for aircraft on tanks. The type of requirement posed for one platform (rapid discharge of huge amounts of rounds to hit a hugely fast target from a massively fast moving platform) is radically different than that of the other (precise bursts of fire to kill slow moving vehicles and blow up houses and stuff.)

But at this point your tank is starting to look less like a Leo2 and more like a bloody porcupine. Or maybe the bastard love child of a gunsmith and a hedgehog. I have seen motor rifle platoons with less firepower than that thing.

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1 x Remote Weapon System - ballistic einsteinium 60-mm Type 11 Reichmetall

Er... no. You are not fitting a 60mm autocanon on a RWS on top of your main turret. Well, you could. But than the RWS would be as large as the turret of a modern IFV. And so you would have a turret on top of a turret. Recursion!

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9 x S-400 Triumf 40N6 Hypersonic SAM

Just to make something clear to you.
This is a S-400.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S-400_Triumf_SAM.png

Might as well mount a Topol on it while you are going.

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20 x Type 99 Matsu BLATGM

Er... no. You are not mounting 20 hellfires on a tank. You could mount 20 hellfires on a tank but not on a tank with 5 machine guns, 2 autocanons, a light canon, a heavy canon and 9 missiles that barely fit on the back of a 5 ton truck each.

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with APKWS capability
23 x Fragmentary Grenade Launchers

See above.

Seriously, just what is this thing supposed to be? It has more guns than a freaking baneblade and is about the size of modern tanks. Judging by what you want to cram into it, you won't be looking at this: THIS but this:THIS

Seriously, I think that last image would fit you perfectly.

Allanea - November 15, 2011 11:07 PM (GMT)
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Either you have been playing way too much Red Alert 2 or reading way too many Polsen War books. One machine gun per tank is fine, two is good, 5 is so much over the top that the Landship Committee would be proud of you.


What now.


People have done eight. IRL.

Allanea - November 15, 2011 11:09 PM (GMT)
Perhaps use this, scaled to fit your tank.

user posted image


Purpelia - November 15, 2011 11:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Allanea @ Nov 16 2011, 12:07 AM)
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Either you have been playing way too much Red Alert 2 or reading way too many Polsen War books. One machine gun per tank is fine, two is good, 5 is so much over the top that the Landship Committee would be proud of you.


What now.


People have done eight. IRL.

People have done many things IRL. Does not make them smart things.

Allanea - November 15, 2011 11:14 PM (GMT)
I suggest the following solution:

1. If you insist on the ability to launch ATGMs, make the main gun a combination gun/ATGM launcher. Then you can just store the ATGMs with your ordinary tank ammunition.

At this stage you can have a main gun, and two coaxial guns - a slow-firing autocannon, and a machinegun.


2. Add an RWS. Usually a single commander's RWS is enough. This can carry two more guns, perhaps an AGL and a machinegun of some kind. But if you want to go totally craz it can have AGL/heavy machinegun/medium machinegun.


3. Possibly (not necessarily desirable) you can give the tank driver an RWS of his own.

4. Add as many frag grenade launchers as you want. These will be one-shot.

This will leave you with a very well-armed tank and anywhere between 3-4 machineguns.

Allanea - November 15, 2011 11:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Purpelia @ Nov 15 2011, 06:10 PM)

People have done many things IRL. Does not make them smart things.

NSD isn't here to advise people on what's smart.

If a person wants to have a modern IS-7 ripoff in their nation that's their call.

Purpelia - November 15, 2011 11:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Allanea @ Nov 16 2011, 12:15 AM)
QUOTE (Purpelia @ Nov 15 2011, 06:10 PM)

People have done many things IRL. Does not make them smart things.

NSD isn't here to advise people on what's smart.

If a person wants to have a modern IS-7 ripoff in their nation that's their call.

Alright than. I retract my point about machine guns.
I still get the right to tell him he can't put 9 missiles each of whom is the size of a SRBM on top right?

Allanea - November 15, 2011 11:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Purpelia @ Nov 15 2011, 06:25 PM)
QUOTE (Allanea @ Nov 16 2011, 12:15 AM)
QUOTE (Purpelia @ Nov 15 2011, 06:10 PM)

People have done many things IRL. Does not make them smart things.

NSD isn't here to advise people on what's smart.

If a person wants to have a modern IS-7 ripoff in their nation that's their call.

Alright than. I retract my point about machine guns.
I still get the right to tell him he can't put 9 missiles each of whom is the size of a SRBM on top right?

Yes. Everything else is right. You pwn.


Satirius - November 16, 2011 03:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (UchihaMadara971 @ Nov 15 2011, 06:49 AM)
Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon


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Double-Cannon


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Double-Cannon


JUST TAKE A GUN YOU YOU

DOUBLE CANNON
user posted image

Kyiv - November 16, 2011 04:44 AM (GMT)
Challenge accepted.

user posted image
GIVE CREDIT OR DIE

Ekraysia - November 16, 2011 04:06 PM (GMT)
Hello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank

This article is about tanks. Please read it then study real tanks. Do this until you see why your design is so hilarious. Then return and we will help you further.

Thank you.

Hurtful Thoughts - November 17, 2011 10:55 PM (GMT)
The GSh-6-23M is probably not the best choice.

1. It eats ammo, fast. By the time you finish reading this point, you'll be out of ammo.

2. The gun had a tendancy to jam and/or explode for some reason. They never really bothered to fix this problem, and decided simply to phase the gun out entirely.

3. There is nothing worth shooting that many 23mm shells at.
-Keep in mind, it'll cost you about $30k to fire the gun, even for a second.
+For same cost and a fraction of the wieght, you could fire a quartet of Iglet surface to air missiles or an octouplet of Kornat ATGMs.
--Or two dozen shells from your main cannon...

4. A 40mm AGL is probably going to be the better (and lighter) choice, in most cases.




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