Title: The Fail!
Crookfur - July 29, 2009 10:31 PM (GMT)
IT BURNSSSSSS!!!
It also never ends:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9768Its so bad i can't even bring myself to place an OOC post about "Centre of Gravity"
ChevyRocks - July 29, 2009 10:39 PM (GMT)
Falls - July 29, 2009 10:42 PM (GMT)
lol
Airbus A330
"By changing the wings and adding 8 special engines we have created this Supersonic airplane. This is the fastest airliner ever built."
Shweet.
Best part though is the customer testimonial
"From what I have heard, your best is the best in the world."
Fecking amazing, no change in anything but the picture...and We slapped some more engines on it.
Lamoni - July 29, 2009 10:43 PM (GMT)
The FAIL is strong with this one.
Maldorians - July 29, 2009 11:20 PM (GMT)
Don't worry guys, Fax is going to liberate us from this eyesore! : O
Doomingsland - July 30, 2009 12:49 AM (GMT)
omg i want a supersonic A330
Falls - July 30, 2009 03:11 AM (GMT)
The A330(Mach 2.5) can out run a Mig21, Electric Lightning, Mirage III, Su-11, F-104 Starfighter, Viggen, Mig29, Tornado, F-14D, and F-18 just name a few.
The F-15, Foxbat and Foxhound can catch it.
That is just ridiculous. There are fourth generation interceptors this thing(airliner) can out run--well it cant really but you see my point.
IDF - July 30, 2009 05:44 AM (GMT)
WOOOO Airframe falling apart at supersonic speeds! WOOO vertical stabalizer falling off! WOOO FREE FALL!!!
Sumer - July 30, 2009 12:35 PM (GMT)
Oh yea?
Plastic tanksAnd he sent me this TG to back his stuff up.
He's like, three decades behind technology.
Ekraysia - July 30, 2009 01:21 PM (GMT)
I sincerely hope he tries to use these in RP
Central Prestonia - July 30, 2009 03:37 PM (GMT)
I can just imagine that AAR:
"Between the hours of 0900-0930 armored units under my command sighted and engaged what appeared to be multiple enemy armored vehicles. Upon engagement with standard 130mm STAFF missile systems, the targets appeared to disintegrate. Post-action investigation revealed several bits and pools of what appear to be plastic; samples have been dispatched to our field forensics unit and are awaiting confirmation."
candiro - July 30, 2009 03:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (That guy) |
[OOC]
Well, you are welcome to teach me the basics of airplane design 
[/OOC]
|
ABSOLUTELY!
Sumer - July 30, 2009 03:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Central Prestonia @ Jul 30 2009, 12:37 PM) |
I can just imagine that AAR:
"Between the hours of 0900-0930 armored units under my command sighted and engaged what appeared to be multiple enemy armored vehicles. Upon engagement with standard 130mm STAFF missile systems, the targets appeared to disintegrate. Post-action investigation revealed several bits and pools of what appear to be plastic; samples have been dispatched to our field forensics unit and are awaiting confirmation." |
More like:
"At 0900 we came into contact with what appeared to be enemy tanks. Upon ordering my gunners to engage I observed through the CITV that they were mere decoys due to their heat signature and canceled the previous order. Our unit proceeded through the decoy field and engaged an enemy armoured formation from the flank unobserved."
Sumer - July 31, 2009 12:19 PM (GMT)
For fun.
| QUOTE (him) |
| "I don't need to. The A-10 (1977) doesn't even have its own FLIR. The number of NS nations using stock A-10s is significant, and the number of NS aircraft using maverick missiles(1972) without a separate FLIR is even greater. This works against those. Ever see gun camera footage from an AC-130U (1990) or a Predator(1995) drone? These decoys are enough to fool those cameras too, and that's all that counts." |
And my response.
| QUOTE (me) |
And the number of NS nations using more modern, NS-designed equipment is even more staggering.
As to your video first, notice how you can easily distinguish minor terrain features and details? The Lantrin is a generation old right now, and two generations behind the stuff about to come our, and you can still see detail. Your decoys will show up as blobs, not detailed tanks. There is no way in physics you can distribute the heat from a "heat generator" to accurately mimic the tank you want to represent. And again, remember, the LANTRIN is obsolete, and has since been replaced by the likes of the Sniper XR, yet more advanced. And the Sniper XR is only a 3rd generation system, which is technologically a generation old.
I've seen gun camera footage from 15+ year old weapons systems. I've also personally looked through modern 4th generation FLIR systems, and watched as the operator "visually undressed" an unsuspecting woman twenty kilometers away, as if I was watching a black and white porno. That's the kind of detail you can see, if a woman is wearing an underwire bra or not, you can see the wire.
And then, and this is the best part, add in other systems like MMW radar, spectral imaging, and high-capability TV, and your decoy becomes completely useless.
Again, find a source of these things being even remotely useful against a modern army, hell, find a source that says the 20 year old decoys you base them off of fooled even US forces at the time.
It's a useless endeavor, and will simply be spotted and ignored by any competent military with equipment made after 1979. |
Edit: And Jonified America has decided to ignore me for "techwank", because I am using current-gen RL tech to prove him wrong.
I would like to nominate him for idiot of the week.
Hamilay - July 31, 2009 02:13 PM (GMT)
Lol, I think he's TPM's puppet, is anyone surprised.
Izistan - July 31, 2009 10:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hamilay @ Jul 31 2009, 02:13 PM) |
| Lol, I think he's TPM's puppet, is anyone surprised. |
He's not. He's been around since 04 at LEAST.
Cravan - August 1, 2009 01:10 AM (GMT)
I'm p. sure I saw TPM post it was him somewhere.
Evvonia - August 1, 2009 02:16 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cravan @ Jul 31 2009, 08:10 PM) |
| I'm p. sure I saw TPM post it was him somewhere. |
He did confirm such to be fact
Crookfur - August 25, 2009 08:50 PM (GMT)
Jeezus christ, just when i though it couldn't get any worse we have this "character" and his many threads of fail:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13635Oh but please don't criticise him, he doesn't like it (its like DMG but without the write ups or well... brains) and aparrently he does his reasearch...
And now we have the pimpmygun shop where failomatic noobs whoa re too lazy to use the tool themselves request "designs", i particualrly like the 6kg .50 cal rifle that destroys tanks (not lightly armoured targets or strategic materials but tanks):
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601 Kyiv - August 25, 2009 09:20 PM (GMT)
Crookfur - August 25, 2009 09:40 PM (GMT)
It looks like the "no criticism" thing is spreading:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13729Euroslavia did mention doing a shopfront guide but maybe it might better for us to come up with a simple well run storefront charter/agreement/standard/acreditation scheme based around a few simple guidelines alogn these lines:
1. No Rl products without a very good reason
2. Will accept open public criticism and is prepared to answer such criticism, if relevent NSD threads aren't available be preapred to accept OOC chatter in your NS threads
3. Do all you cna to help the cusotmer i.e. do calcs and conversions if needed
4. make tech level VERY clear
etcetc poissbly with a nice "approved" of "acceptable storefront" stamp. Kind of like the NSD approved scheme but a lot more open and purel voluntary.
Sumer - August 25, 2009 10:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| be warned telling me that i don't know what i am doing will see you confiscate your right to buy from me |
So... I will take my own right to buy from myself for myself?
So I can buy from him AND criticize!
Lamoni - August 25, 2009 10:55 PM (GMT)
I agree that we should have some kind of storefront code of conduct. It'd separate the good designers, from the n00bs.
Allanea - August 26, 2009 12:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| be warned telling me that i don't know what i am doing will see you confiscate your right to buy from me |
"If you think our product is shit, you're not allowed to buy it!
Kyiv - August 26, 2009 04:14 AM (GMT)
RRoan - August 26, 2009 08:56 AM (GMT)
This is almost as fail as Time Cube.
Jeuna - August 26, 2009 09:52 AM (GMT)
Aw, man. And I tried helping him.
The Peoples Freedom - August 26, 2009 10:01 AM (GMT)
It took years for Jolt to develop to the quality that it was. I don't expect this to take any less short of a time.
Crookfur - August 26, 2009 01:48 PM (GMT)
true but at least there are a few of us about to help and even at the worst the Super cap infection was never this bad. Heck even the original Gilgamesh was better than most of the current stuff.
Funniest thing was UG moaning about all the noob designers, its the same moan that been going since the beginning...
Cazelia - August 27, 2009 02:25 AM (GMT)
What annoys me about this whole n00b storefront thing is that designers like myself and others get practically no attentions compared to these shitty storefronts that litter Global Economics and Trade.
Lamoni - August 27, 2009 02:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cazelia @ Aug 26 2009, 06:25 PM) |
| What annoys me about this whole n00b storefront thing is that designers like myself and others get practically no attentions compared to these shitty storefronts that litter Global Economics and Trade. |
Yanitaria could copy you word for word, there.
Jeuna - August 27, 2009 11:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cazelia @ Aug 26 2009, 09:25 PM) |
| What annoys me about this whole n00b storefront thing is that designers like myself and others get practically no attentions compared to these shitty storefronts that litter Global Economics and Trade. |
Don't get mad on my behalf at least; I'd rather they stay away.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 27, 2009 07:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Crookfur @ Aug 25 2009, 04:40 PM) |
It looks like the "no criticism" thing is spreading:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13729
Euroslavia did mention doing a shopfront guide but maybe it might better for us to come up with a simple well run storefront charter/agreement/standard/acreditation scheme based around a few simple guidelines alogn these lines:
1. No Rl products without a very good reason
2. Will accept open public criticism and is prepared to answer such criticism, if relevent NSD threads aren't available be preapred to accept OOC chatter in your NS threads
3. Do all you cna to help the cusotmer i.e. do calcs and conversions if needed
4. make tech level VERY clear
etcetc poissbly with a nice "approved" of "acceptable storefront" stamp. Kind of like the NSD approved scheme but a lot more open and purel voluntary. |
Ah... the return of the NSD trading cartel...
Does I get permission to post my [not so great] designs for trade?
And shit... those storefronts make my old one look... not too bad...
Crookfur - August 28, 2009 04:29 PM (GMT)
Most definitely not the cartel and anything that woudl coem of this would hopefully be at least 1 step removed from NSD.
Basically just a code of conduct which would have very little to say about what you actually sell just about how you sell it.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 28, 2009 05:12 PM (GMT)
So we forming a code of storefront etiquette?
I already meet most of the ones you laid out.
(My tech level wasn't very clear on the earlier storefront)
I had #2 bcause I was discharged from the old draftroom, needed some enticing designs ironed-out, and for the free bumpage via the tech-debates.
#3 because ppl don't do math well. And I gotta check their economies and previous history of purchases anyways.
Praetonia - August 28, 2009 05:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hurtful Thoughts @ Aug 27 2009, 07:26 PM) |
| Does I get permission to post my [not so great] designs for trade? |
In the name of the cartel and all considerations of natural justice, you are banned from ever posting anything ever again.
Hurtful Thoughts - August 28, 2009 05:32 PM (GMT)
Awwww.... :(
...
:huh:
Srsly?
no endorse - August 31, 2009 04:11 AM (GMT)
I motion that we approve designers, and let them post some logo so buyers know that they're not buying crap. Call it the "Draftsman's Register" or "NS Register" or something.
I'm serious about this, because we have really good designers and things that go through here in what can basically be institutionalized newb hazing. Then those products hit NS and no one pays attention. Isn't the point of Draftroom to improve designs? Why not give the people who can actually be arsed to work on that some credit or recognition?
Lamoni - August 31, 2009 05:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (no endorse @ Aug 30 2009, 08:11 PM) |
I motion that we approve designers, and let them post some logo so buyers know that they're not buying crap. Call it the "Draftsman's Register" or "NS Register" or something.
I'm serious about this, because we have really good designers and things that go through here in what can basically be institutionalized newb hazing. Then those products hit NS and no one pays attention. Isn't the point of Draftroom to improve designs? Why not give the people who can actually be arsed to work on that some credit or recognition? |
This has been suggested before; but it's been shot down each time.
The Peoples Freedom - August 31, 2009 09:35 AM (GMT)
Last time this was suggested our de facto leader [Mac who runs this board] pretty much said no.
I think it was because:
A) Enforcing it through wars on noobs would be poor RP and the posting paragraphs of detail against one liners would be linke grinding your face against a cheese grinder.
B) Nobody would listen to it anyway.
C) There was some speculation the NS mods would not allow it. Not surprising considering their bias.
D) There could be a bias against noobs or people we simply do not like.
Biggest issue is that nobody would listen to it without being coerced and coercion would not be a legitimate option.
So in the end we agreed to just promote NSD and link the design thread in the actual NS forum posts.
