I would like to ask for proper designers to design,well a tank for Haishan. Here's the picture.



Several consideration to be taken into account,

1)AA missile system(s)
2)Small scale *effective* jammer (if feasible)
3)Suitable speed like above 50km/h if possible.

Well if it's feasible that is,using the design depicted by the picture. Equivocator is supposed to be one of Haishan's of supertanks,and by the name supertanks i meant they usually have high firepower and/or mobility and somewhat technologically advanced. The weakness of the tank would be likely,it can't take alot of direct gun[namely kinetic piercers] hits and unable to traverse jagged terrain [Haishan territories have a very jagged terrain].

You might or might not like this, but double barreled tanks are universally regarded as failures. Your picture goes beyond that, and adds things that would never fit on a real tank, unless you go Future Tech.

Now, if you want a real Modern Tech tank, we can design you one of those, but it's not going to look like the picture that you've provided.

Oh i see. Then i would request a new tank,suited for rough terrain usage, using the latest technologies currently. [MT or PMT]. I would rather not to have a modified version of Abraham, i would like to have something new.

A picture attached for the design is highly appreciated.

Okay... then NSD will need to know a few things.

1. What sort of terrain does your nation have?

2. What sort of role will the tank perform?


There are several people here who design pretty good tanks (if I do say so myself). I'm just one of them.

Mountainous to jagged terrain unsuitable for most vehicles. Like the Alps. Would be useful if you can also do the conversion kit( to convert the model)/variants from rough terrain use to urban warfare or open field warfare use if it's applicable to the design.

Roles,would be MBT, fire support(Artillery),cruiser tank (if feasible), and tank destroyer (if feasible). So this would mean several different models/different type of tanks. That are my requests for now.

Tank does not onto alps

At all

Armored helicopter + Tank-destroyer combo.

See also: Munchy's Nuclear Ontos.

Though you're better off with lighter-than-Ontos mounts...
Airlifted gun-trucks. Shooting whilst sling-loaded.

Ther are ways of getting tanks through the alps... They just aren't conductive to sustained blitzkrieg-tactics...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontos
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett...clear_device%29
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:D

Now we sling it under a CH-47 and shoot it whilst !airborne.

But yeah... you're probably going to want to look for lightwieght NBC-proof mobile pillboxes (MICVs), helicopter-gunships, and helicopters capable of airlifting that stuff.

Oh i see,Ontos. Any way to modernize the Onto to MT or PMT? A Davy Crockett Onto(DCO) seems cool. :D

Though the problem with DCO would be accuracy and i would like to avoid that.

Is it possible to have an airlifter that can carry as much weight as possible? This is made so that more heavier equipments can be transported in one go like a tank with heavier weapons.

I would request the tank designated for urban/open field engagement having enough firepower to damage enemy armour [like the Abrahams] and also capable of transported it in a transport aircraft like C-130 or something similar. The tank also should be able to wield a plethora of warheads,like thermobaric, kinetic piercer, squash head, or something suitable.

Is it possible to fit missile jamming system on a helicopter gunship so that AA wont matter much to it?

I'm guessing Type 60 Self-propelled 106 mm Recoilless Gun is suitable for anti-tank role for me? Just wanted it to be more flexible in terms of shell fired,like for bunker-destroying [if possible], anti infantry shot, anti building [thermobaric if feasible].

Seeing as your terrain would keep tanks limited to light AFVs, something similar might work. However, Ontos > > > > > Type 60

To modernize Ontos, slap some NERA or ERA on the side, update electronics w/ fire control and all those goodies, and probably a powertrain overhaul.

Type: Light Tank Destroyer(?)
Weight: 9 Tonnes
Length: 4.1m
Width: 2.2m
Height: 1.5m

Armament:
- ?x @mainweapon
- 2x @MG

Powertrain:
- ? Speed Transmission
- 6 Cylinder Diesel, @horsepower
- Torsion Bar Suspension

Above is an example stat block for what you might need. Want me to continue?

Oh light AFVs...so examples? I would like for Haishan's armoured vehicles to have capability of using thermobaric ammo if it's feasible. Just want a bigger bang,for area-denial purpose.

Ok so, the Ontos weaponry doesn't need an upgrade? Would be also useful if someone can design me a fully modernized Ontos,since well,i'm bad at designing stuffs.

Yea

It probably needs an upgrade, but for infantry support and taking out similarly lightly armoured targets it should suffice.

Examples of light AFVs include IFVs and APCs, small recon-eske wheeled tanks ala Rooikat may also be feasible.

Even in mountainous areas there will still be plenty of tank-friendly terrain where tanks will be as useful as ever.

Just ask Korea.

I'm going off the "alps style" he posted.

Difference between French-Swiss border and Korea. French-Swiss border is really high and rather steep.

If tank on alp find tank alp country, alp tank runs out of tank country soon and falls off alp.

You'd be better off, I think, just creating mobility vehicles for ATGMs.

Ontos-based mobile SAM site, capable of direct-fire engaging land-targets.

So basically, I have the below options? [I presume so]

1) Modernized Ontos (NERA + and etc god knows what)
2) Davy-Crockett Modernized Ontos
3) Some APC perhaps?
4) Modernized Ontos slapped with some random ATGM

Would like to request other design(s) other than Ontos if feasible.

ENOUGH WITH THE NERA ALREADY.

It's the worst fad in NS vehicle design today.

No.

NERA is a lot like ERA, but if it was mentally deficient.

Not if you use it as part of a competently designed armor system, like I did. Adversus also lets you use ERA in addition to the NERA layers.

Uh, NERA is incorporated into some ERA designs and can be applied to lightweight platforms for which ERA is impractical.



Anyway, Haishan, see also the ASU-57, M56 Scorpion, and Wiesel (the newest of the bunch) for more ideas regarding what you can do with a vehicle around that size.

Interesting.

I know we're going off-topic, but do you have any more on this?

I'm not 100% sure that it counts as NERA (at least, not more conventional NERA), but I know the TUSK II upgrade package includes what appears to be thin plates of steel mounted on hinges over the side ERA.



Best pic I could find quickly.

The frontal armor of tanks (which is where NERA gets the most use in NS) is not lightweight.

What ones are you looking at?

Most, I remember, use NERA around places like hatches and lighter armoured areas. ERA stays on on the frontal area.

The ones I find in GE&T?

Like this one:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Rusikstan_Armo...hp?showtopic=66

NERA-Composite-DU

LOL.

My times have changed.

Good god that is an atrocious photoshop...

oh wait...

damn it's real.

It takes real skill to make ERA look like a Photoshop hackjob.

I use NERA on my IFVs because my infantry do not like large explosions beside them. I advised NERA on a modernized Ontos because it's lighter. Weight is one of the few advantages of modern Davey Crocket Ontos.

:lol: Ha

So you're looking for a tank? Maybe I'm a bit late, but I got one for you. Still undergoing development, but you might want to take a look at it. Good speed for its weight (60 kmph), a real heavy tank (80 ton plus, most of the weight is armour), lotsa weapons, good in the open terrain, and excellent protection. It is designed to defend positions, support infantry, and it can take on pretty much everything the enemy throws at it, except aircraft and infantry spam. Enemy is throwing tanks at your lines? No problem at all, they're gone in seconds. It is a bit large though, and its price is somewhat high, but this is NS.

Click here for the writeup: http://newpacificempire.freeforums.org/vie...ic.php?f=5&t=37

The TUSK ERA looks kinda odd but it is actually a very ingenious scheme, the curved shape allows it to retain effectiveness over a larger range of angles than conventional blocks.

Thanks,will check it. Wiesel seems favourable enough.

Is there any chance that i could slap a Starstreak missile or SPIKE NLOS on some random chassis,say the Wiesel?

I would like to know a full design please..well...i'm not so good at these things,fyi. And minumum requirement is,the design should be transportable by either heavy lift helicopter or aircraft. Mind you i'm asking for a design that can be air-dropped immediately when the transporter arrived at the designated drop point if feasible.

Seems good,but your design would be kinda impractical to use in major parts of Haishan territory,since it's similar to the Alps. Well i could consider the tank for invasion though and for defense of major cities in Haishan.

Is there a full design for a modernized Davy-Crockett Ontos available or i need to piece them together myself?

It still looks uncannily like a really bad Photoshop. Like someone took the clone tool and just pasted it EVERYWHERE.

Davy-Crockett+Ontos is a meme/joke. For anti-tank work Lyras has his Iron Heart Series of vehicles, one variant is equipped with ATGMs. For an actual tank, you won't be able to use one in the Alps, and you won't face any.

Lies.

Mountains are not solid walls of rock (where do you think the cities are built or farmers farm...?), there are always places were tanks can be used, and where they can you should.

in mountainous terrain, a tank dug into a defensive position at a choke point (pass or somesuch) becomes an invaluable asset to you and a massive thorn in the side for your attacker. Sure, they can get arty or air support on the spoke, but that takes time, and if you're clever, you can shift about enough to buy a tremendous amount of time.

Time for lead elements of XIV Regiment to get into position for a delaying action, allowing for IX Regiment to evacuate civies from the valley below and get ready for one hell of a fight.