My first thread was looking a bit quiet, so I decided to throw out something else for NSD to chew on.



The Pounder
Weight: 40kg loaded with tripod
Length: 1.22m
Barrel length: 1m
Crew: 2
Action: Blowback
Cartridge: 12.4x132mm "Caseless"
Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
Muzzle velocity: 940m/s
Effective range: 1700m
Feed System: 300 round drum

Foreign armies have funny ideas about suppressing their opponents. This perplexes Estusian fighters: how would one fight when one¡¦s opponent is hiding behind cover? The problem was solved by the Pounder. Its purpose is to shoot apart any cover the opponent is hiding behind, to chase him out into the open where fighters can confront him. Pounders are set up some distance away from the main group and is fired only when necessary to avoid giving away the fighters' positions ¡V it is not silenced, nor is it possible to do so. The Pounder is caseless in the sense that the casing is attached to the bullet, and exits the barrel with it. Firing saboted, HE and shrapnel rounds at a cyclical rate of 15 per second, the Pounder excels at its job. The combination of springs, specialised bolt design, padded stock and gas-redirecting vanes keep recoil down to barely manageable levels. It is issued with a sight with x2, x4, x8 and x12 zoom, sling and carrying handle. Shown here with a bipod, the Pounder can also be tripod mounted. 2 Pounders are attached to each platoon.

Because my idea of fun is infantry-portable autocannon.

EDIT: Changed caliber, nerfed range, added weight, added loader that carries the tripod and ammo

Infantry portable autocannon, infinite lolz.

This is gonna be lol-heavy, I hope you realise that. I think it will be too heavy for anyone to carry a substantial ammount of ammunition required for suspressive fire.

Another problem I'm concerned about is recoil. Those 20mm rounds kick like a mule. (I believe the Finnish had some sort of 20mm anti-material rifle, no one even wanted to fire it because of the recoil.)

The sight might be a bit unnecesary too. Automatic fire with this thing will be impossible to control.

In other words, I advice you to try again. This monster is just a big no.

Yeah, the recoil would not be fun for the shooter. I'm imagining very sore arms, at the least.

I was hoping the blowback action will take some of the recoil, and springs in the stock would bring it down to managable levels.

the sight is so it can be used to say, put a burst into (through) a house at 2500m. Far-fetched, yes, but I cant resist the allure.

How does 14.5mm sound like though? Cuz I want explosive rounds that can blow huge effing holes out of walls.

That would help a bit, but mind you, we're talking about a calibre found on aircraft and IFV's here. Way too heavy for infantry.

Lol. That would be fun. :lol: But sorry, 2500 meters is the sniper rifle area. (Not the infantry-portable autocannon area, that range is more like that of an automatic grenade launcher.)

Better. But I'm not sure, it still sounds rather heavy.

"Huge effing holes" sounds like you're looking for shotguns with Frag12 here...

Note: which is a very bad choice.

14.5 mm is Heavy Machine Gun territory. Think of shooting a Kord HMG in your arms, without the benefit of a tripod, or bipod, or any other method of stabilization. Just you, with an HMG in your arms.

Right. In other words: incredibly heavy, incredibly inaccurate, incredibly uncomfortable?

All of this.

There are far easier ways to dislocate one's shoulder.

What is the purpose for this weapon? Is it just for wreaking havoc on trees and rocks that may be harbouring enemies? If so, there are many weapons that will be more efficient at this job than a portable HMG.

Comes with bipod and sling. Not that it would help much though, judging from the general atmosphere in this thread

I chose 20mm because I want reasonable amount of exposive power without going shotgun, and I wanted the range. This thing is like an antimaterial/hmg kind of weapon. I really hope 14.5mm is good enough for my desired effect of Huge Effing Holes.

To be more specific, Forza, this thing wreaks havoc on cover that DO harbour enemies, to chase them out into the open so the infantry can pick them off. Any suggestions though, Forza? Cover terrorizer and mg role weapon?

Well the thing is, you only really know where you're enemy is if you can see them. If I was being shot at and I had to dive behind a tree, I would piss bolt out of there as soon as I could rather than wait for people to walk over and shoot me.

Now if you want something to tear shit up, there is really only one gun in the world that does it brilliantly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8 unfortunately, it can't be carried in the field.

If you want to get infantry out into the open so you can shoot them, you can try grenades, artillery or even just sitting and waiting for them to make a break for it. If not, you and your squad can casually waltz over and rake the fuckers from numerous angles. So your number one role isn't that vital tbh.

You COULD use this gun for a lot of things. Problem with it is the poor guy thats going to be carrying around something the size and weight of a HMG all day. Feel even more sorry for him when he goes to shoot it as it. You are going to have to weight up the pro's vs the cons of this weapon for yourself I think.

As long as it's barely managable and fire-able, I dont really care. Im so nice to my troops.

Think of this as an attempt to make an infantry portable GAU. What would you do?

Call in an A-10 Thunderbolt. The GAU-8 is the size of an average truck and will never be made infantry portable.

But, this is your gun. I won't say it won't work because it will. It is obvious we disagree over how effective it will be but I won't hound you over it. Besides, some of the gun pro's might offer more helpful info.

I know I am not Forza but what you need here is an airburst weapon like the one I am designing. Have the round explode over their head and kill them even thou they are behind cover.

Really thou, any sort of grenade launcher will do if it fires aiburst rounds or can fire in an indirect fashion.

Well Forza, when I was thinking about this thing what was on my mind was something like a machine gun with overwhelming rate of fire, but more substantial than just ball ammunition. This sucker's going to throw some explosives.

So I got some HMG stats and put them on steroids. The results we are discussing now.

HMG with high explosives capability. Thats what I aimed for.

EDIT: Purp, killing them is what I don't want to do. I want to chase them out into the open where they can be taken down in a sportive fashion.

PSS You joined on my birthday lol

Than fire a flash bang out of it rather than a HE round. Airburst Flash Bang FTW.

Really thou, you concept has one big flaw in it. If your rounds/weapon are powerful enough to chase someone out of cover, that can only mean that they are powerful enough to kill them behind cover and make said cover useless. Because if not, why would they leave cover? And once that point has been reached, you might as well kill them properly.

Weight is goign to be a huge issue here, gun alone is going to be about 25kg on the super light side of things although more likely in the 35kg region. The lightest bipod set up including a recoil reduction system (ala something ripped from the Kord light HMG set up) for soemthing like this is going to mass about 10-15kg and the preferable tripod in the 30kg region.

Ammo weight will also be horrendous on average a 20x102mm round weights 260grams so 300 odd of them would weight a nice easily manageable 78kg.

14.5mm would give you at best maybe 5-10kg overall system weight (gun plus mount) reduction.

Coming down to .50cal and things start to get manageable.


Now if explosive content rather than shooting through walls is what matter there is the option of automatic grenade laucnhers. Newer western 40mm HV AGLs are starting to come in at under 20kg for the gun part with tripod mounts at about 15kg or so.

Alternately there is the russian/soviet/eatern 30mm AGLs some of which are more or less suitable for issue to a single man:

http://www.czechweapons.com/en/products/mi...auncher-rag-30/

Dug up a picture of a .50 cal ripping apart a truck. Changed my mind about 50 cals not having enough explosive potential. 50 cal is plenty enough.

Changed caliber, nerfed range, added weight, added them recoil redirecting vanes someone showed me, added loader that carries the tripod and ammo

EDIT: A thought just occured to me: These things would look awesome fired from the hip. Impractical, dangerous, suicidal, yes, but frikkin awesome lookin.

So this is supposed to be a grenade rifle?

20-30mm is good for such grenades. .50 is notrly big enough for explosive content to be worthwhile.
If you want to do .50, any AMR is better than this.

But try a much shorter case length, otherwise it will lol seperate your shoulders from your body extremely painfully

use mortar

As has been said, .50 cal - 12mm is not explosive packing rounds...not of any merit. Somebody has been watching future weapons...

Also, why the hell is the "case" so bloody long if its caseless? Or is the explosive effect what you plan on doing to your own weapon?

I think you'd be better off with a wheeled carriage...

You shouldn't design things because they look awesome. Sure, Spiderman also looks awesome when he jumps on buildings and shoots his webs; but that doesn't mean your own infantry should do the same...

In that case, how about 7.62 incindiary? You won't get the effing holes, but it will do the job whilst still man portable.

EDIT: Never mind that. 7.62 incindiary sucks.

Or, alternatively, crew-portable 40mm AGL. (2-3 guys supporting it.)

Or alternatively, a mortar team. Or an IFV with autocannon. Or a designated marksman with 50.cal rifle. Or just a machine gunner providing suspressing fire with intermediate cardriges.

There are so many choices to deal with entrenched infantry. Man portable GUA-8's are not one of them.

Hi, it's me again...

how exactly does one hold this weapon? there are three little doodads (gas redirecting vanes, i assume) that block your arm from coming around. Also, your front grip appears to be a little far forward unless your weapon is a lot smaller then I think it is. Although this appears to be a ridiculous weapon, if you could perhaps open your mind a bit then you could find a niche for it. I think you are aiming for a fully automatic Barrett .50 cal that is less anti personnel and more anti house/car/brick wall. That is what you should do, put this on a tripod at the entrance to an important area and use it to shoot incoming hostile vehicles. the other guys do have a point, grenades work just a well for cover.

Yes Ender, its more antihousecarbrickwall than antipersonell. The triggers at the front grip, Maybe its not clear, but theres a rear grip sticking out of the stock for the left hand. Cant be bothered to draw a tripod. Lets assume I have one.