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 Mazara Palani Land Tactics, Potentially Retro
Mazara Palani
Posted: Aug 1 2011, 08:09 AM


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Basic Infantry Organization c. 1943, Kegrali Front:

Equipment:
CR-15A: Semi-automatic battle rifle, 7.8x63mm. Previously came with 10 round magazines or 20 round magazines for automatic riflemen, but extremely intense fighting in and around the urban environments of Kegrali meant that the 20 round magazines were much favored for combat.

L-23A: Semi automatic pistol, double stack, 10x25mm, 12 rd. capacity.

MM-1: 7.8x63mm belt fed LMG/MMG/GPMG, 1200 rpm.

CR-15B: Automatic rifle version of CR-15A. Feeds from 20 rd. magazine or 50 rd. drum magazine. The 50 rd. drum magazine is popular as it offers a balance between sustained fire and maneuverability.

RCR-15: Designated marksman's version of the CR-15. Comes with 4x scope, free floating barrel and bipod.

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Infantry Squad: 11
Squad Leader:
Duties: Leads squad
Equipment: CR-15A, 12 magazines, 240 rd., L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 3x frag grenades, 2x smoke grenades

Chalk 1:
Chalk Leader:
Duties: Leads Chalk
Equipment: CR-15A 12 magazines, 240 rd. L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 3x frag grenades, 2x smoke grenades

LMG Gunner:
Duties: Establish squad base of Fire
Equipment: MM-1 LMG, 2x 250 rd. belt, spare barrel, L-23A Pistol, 4 Magazines, 48 rd.

Assistant Gunner:
Duties: Assists LMG Gunner
Equipment: CR-15A, 12 magazines, 240 rd., 2x 250 rd. MG belt, spare MG barrel, L-23A Pistol, 4 Magazines, 48 rd. 3x smoke grenade

2x Grenadier:
Duties: Direct and indirect attack with explosives
Equipment: CR-15A, 12 magazines, 240 rd., 12-15x rifle grenades, L-23A Pistol, 4 Magazines, 48 rd. 2x smoke grenades

Chalk 2:

Chalk Leader:
Duties: Leads Chalk
Equipment: CR-15A 12 magazines, 240 rd. L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 3x frag grenades, 2x smoke grenades

2x Automatic Rifleman:
Duties: Establish semi-mobile base of fire
Equipment: CR-15B, 6x drums, 300 rd. Spare CR-15B barrel, L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 3x frag grenades, 2x smoke grenades

Marksman:
Duties: Precision Fire
Equipment: RCR-15, 12 magazines, 240 rd. 4x scope for rifle, L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd.. 1x frag grenade, 3x smoke grenades

Grenadier:
Duties: Direct and indirect attack with explosives
Equipment: CR-15A, 12 magazines, 240 rd., 12-15x rifle grenades, L-23A Pistol, 4 Magazines, 48 rd. 2x smoke grenades




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Bloody_Sahara
Posted: Aug 2 2011, 07:24 AM


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QUOTE
Semi-automatic battle rifle, 7.8x63mm


hells yeah.

doesn't have much in the way of tactics though.


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And two separate entries, from different sides of the shelter? That's no shelter, that's some kind of conference hall for North-South Korea negotiations.
If it has an outside bullet diameter of less than 7.0mm, it isn't a rifle. Deal with it.
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Mazara Palani
Posted: Aug 2 2011, 06:33 PM


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Rifle Platoon, Kegrali Front, c. 1943

Additional Equipment:

CR-16: Intermediate caliber carbine, 6.5x40mm, 30 rd. magazine. Squad and chalk leaders in theater increasingly began to use this weapon in lieu of the CR-15 due to its lighter weight and larger magazine size.

TCR-15 Sniper Rifle: Bolt action sniper rifle with 10x scope, chambered in 8.8x76mm. Effective range greater than 1500m. Was formerly used to take big game in Mazara Palani's jungles until war broke out.

50mm Mortar: Light mortar for suppressive fire

90mm Recoilless Rifle: For anti-tank work and light demolition work.

Rifle Platoon: 46 men

HQ Squad: 13 Men

Platoon Leader:
Duties: Leads Platoon
Equipment: CR-16 Intermediate Caliber Carbine, 12 magazines, 360 rd. L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 4-6x smoke grenades

Platoon Sergeant:
Duties: Assists platoon leader
Equipment: CR-16 Intermediate Caliber Carbine, 12 magazines, 360 rd. L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 4-6x smoke grenades

Radio Telephone Team: 2 men

Radio Operator:
Duties: Works the radio.
Equipment: CR-16 Intermediate Caliber Carbine, 6 magazines, 180 rd. L-23A Pistol, 3 magazines, 36 rd., short range tactical radio

Radio Assistant:
Duties: Assists radio operator
Equipment: CR-16 Intermediate Caliber Carbine, 8 magazines, 240 rd. L-23A Pistol, 3 magazines, 36 rd., radio antennae and other paraphernalia.

Medic Team: 4 men
Duties: Provides first aid and ensures health of the platoon.
Equipment: CR-16 Intermediate Caliber Carbine, 12 magazines, 360 rd. L-23A Pistol, 4 magazines, 48 rd. 3x smoke grenades, battlefield medical kit. Team has two collapsible stretchers on hand.

Weapons Chalk: 5 men

Either:
-Chalk Leader
-Sniper Team (Sniper and Spotter)
-Anti-Tank Team (Rocketeer and Assistant Gunner)

or
2x 50mm Mortar Team (2 men ea.)

or
2x Anti-Tank Team (w. 90mm rocket launcher)

or
-Chalk Leader
-4 man Engineering team (with demolition charges)

3x Infantry Squad


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Ekraysia
Posted: Aug 3 2011, 04:35 PM


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Is your 1943 the same as everyone else's?
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Mazara Palani
Posted: Aug 4 2011, 04:56 AM


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I guess? What do you mean by 'same'? At that time, I was engaged in an extremely brutal war with Juumanistra, if that's what you're asking.


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Ekraysia
Posted: Aug 4 2011, 11:38 AM


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I'm wondering whether you use a different calendar to everyone else.

For 1943 you're a little ahead of the tech game; you have a modern double-stack fed 10mm Auto service pistol. Frankly it was doable but it wasn't done; less powerful cartridges were by far more fashionable and normal then (not to mention the 10mm Auto being 80s), and while the Browning HP was a pre '35 design, double-stacked magazines were by far the exception, not the norm. Certainly double-stacked handgun magazines held a few less rounds then.

The M1 carbine, which unlike yours can't be considered a modern weapon on account of cartridge power, did not have 30-round magazines issued as standard til the M2.

I can believe your .338-equivalent rifle was descended from a hunting rifle but it is likely the military would rather have had a variant of the standard rifle at this time; no-one would have seen the use of a .338-like round in 1943 as useful. Your RCR-15 is probably what the army would want to the exclusion of anything else. Bipods for sniper rifles were not usual in 1943, nor were engagement ranges of 1500m. I also think it was more normal for snipers to act alone.

MG-42 equiv, fine but bear in mind such high-quality weapons were not widely developed in many countries to such excellent designs. To the point, aren't you quite a backwards nation?

Armies were stubborn in 1943; riflemen may have preferred 20-round magazines but they wouldn't have got them easily.

Your automatic rifle...I can't think of a WW2-era MG that used a cumbersome rifle-calibre drum magazine, much less an AR. It would probably be well-liked for capacity but disliked for physical size - it stops the AR being used as a rifle, think how the BAR was unpopular with a bipod as an LMG. 40-round magazines were developed for the BAR but rejected because of vertical size. Simply, a large drum magazine will encourage use as an MG, causing bad overheating (it is a rifle conversion) and requiring maybe twice as much of the squad to assist the automatic rifleman.

A 5cm mortar would probably have a 3-man crew.
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Mazara Palani
Posted: Aug 4 2011, 07:32 PM


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Pistol: The pistol in most European armies of the time were a weapon for the gentleman and officer. American pistols for example were more powerful because they were used as actual fighting weapons (and because of various American cultural traditions).

The potential in the theater for extremely lengthy and unusually intense firefights, as well as a requirement for the pistol to be a manstopper means that it's perfectly reasonable to have a heavier pistol round.

Secondly, hot pistol cartridges such as the .38 Super were around in the 1930s. The .30 Remington, the parent case for the 10mm Auto, has been around since 1906. The pistol cartridge was originally designed for an "automatic compact carbine", aka a submachinegun.

Rifle: At the outbreak of the war, the standard capacity for the service rifle was 10 rounds. It grew later on, especially as the practice of riflemen using 20 round magazines from automatic rifles began to grow.

Intermediate Caliber Carbine: This is basically an assault rifle in the mold of an STG-44. I previously issued a submachine gun in 10x25mm, but that was unsatisfactory and withdrawn from service in favor of the intermediate caliber carbine.

Automatic Rifle: The 50 round drum is an intentional doctrinal problem, I'm well aware of its flaws.

Sniper Rifle: The RCR-15 is the designated marksman version of my service rifle. The TCR-15 is a rather commonly owned and repurposed hunting rifle designed to take game as large as Rhinos. The cartridge is a necked down .416 Rigby that has been tweaked to fire spitzer nosed bullets instead of round nosed bullets. Engagement ranges at length would likely be common as the area is quite mountainous.

LMG/MMG: I'm no less backwards than my opponent.

50mm Mortar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knee_mortar (It's one of those things, which doesn't warrant a third crewman)


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Sumer
Posted: Aug 4 2011, 11:15 PM


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I (Hate to admit it) agree with Ekraysia, you're well ahead of the curve for 1943. Well ahead of it.

A few notes though.
The "knee mortar" was a grenade launcher, not mortar. But yes, one man possible. Although ideal was two.

In your defence, with the automatic rifle, I point to the Mondragon, and German use in WW1 with the 30 round drum.


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Mazara Palani
Posted: Aug 5 2011, 12:44 AM


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Just how far ahead are we looking at here?


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Sumer
Posted: Aug 5 2011, 12:54 AM


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You'd have to be 20 years ahead of the world, doctrinally, to be looking at standard issue replaceable mags for anything but the automatic rifle. Those rifles issued with such, were issued with very few ones, and intended to be used with stripper clips, which was highly favored by combat troops.

Squad designated marksman is well ahead as well. At this point, it's not needed because everyone should have rifles with good range. The closest you get is snipers assigned at the company level (Company scout/guide) in the US and USSR.

I'll note your grenadier is carrying a lot of riflegrenades. Double what nations who issued 35mm grenades carried, and four times most other types. Plus, the knee mortar is effectively the same thing.

To be frank, this is a force for the late 1950s, early 1960s, in the first world.


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Mazara Palani
Posted: Aug 5 2011, 01:26 AM


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Well shit.


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Allanea
Posted: Aug 5 2011, 01:46 AM


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Weren't these using replacement magazines?


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Sumer
Posted: Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM


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QUOTE (Allanea @ Aug 4 2011, 09:46 PM)
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Weren't these using replacement magazines?

So were two dozen other rifles.

Still, the soldiers using them were issued 2-4 magazines, and expected (And were happy to) reload with stripper clips. Which is what I said.


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Posted: Aug 5 2011, 07:01 AM


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Your military isn't backwards unless it still fields a strip-fed standard-issue machine-gun.

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Ekraysia
Posted: Aug 5 2011, 03:04 PM


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QUOTE (Sumer @ Aug 4 2011, 11:15 PM)
I (Hate to admit it) agree with Ekraysia

is it b/c i'm an idiot
:<

I also gravitate towards thinking, having looked over more thoroughly, your soldiers carry too many grenades. Don't quote me, but I think with carrying 5 grenades one would struggle to find somewhere to put them all.

Remember soldier's payload.
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