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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 5 2011, 05:51 AM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
IMA BACK!!... (yes.. IMA golomun..)
anyway, this is a PMT/FT water-borne warship that I would like help with; so please be gentle and help me turn this beauty into something gold. IMA first timer navy builder and please mind my grammar. thank you. rough Draft write-up: The whole idea behind the S.A.S. is total domination of any enemy; the basic objective is to turn your enemy, into a gooey substance from where there is not a drop of life left. the vessel accommodates 3 rounds of ballistic heaven; with practically 5184 missiles, and 1728 of them in ready condition. ![]() "during these times of war, the only hope is a million to one" -George Rodez, weapons officer of the G.D.F.S. British Columbia B.C. class S.A.S. specs: -=Strategic Assault Ship (S.A.S.)=- Type: SAS-N (Nuclear) Displacement: 16556.8 tons Length (Overall): 200.0 meters(656 ft) Beam (Overall): 26 meters Design Draught: 8 meters Propulsion: -2x dual rotational Jet Pods (multiple blades that contra-rotate per shaft, is also known as "shrouded Azimuth thruster"; the two pods contain the engines and are situated outside of hull to rotate 360 degrees for better manoeuvrability, this type of system is a 'Electrical transmission') -2x 80MW electric AC Motor (situated inside the pods) -2x shafts (situated inside the motors themselves) -4x sets of Contra-rotating Propellers (situated inside the pods; 2x planetary gearing propeller sets to one shaft) -4x Mirocov MK-IV Armoured Combat Reactor (a fusion reactor that is designed to survive any combat situation whilst being heavily armoured against a direct attack; using a combination array of Betavoltaics, Alphavoltaics and Thermo-photovoltaic cells to capture the raw power of the fusion reactor, basically making them an oversized Radioisotope thermoelectric generator that can produce 20GW/h of electric current each for an indefinite lifespan. This will be the fourth generation of these type of generators with plans well under way for the fifth generation with the hopes of increasing the heat to electric transference from 50%, to 70%. this not only cuts down on size and allows a larger reactor, with greater potential to be utilized, but also adds simplicity to maintenance and repair since there are no moving parts required for generating the 80GW/h of total power.) -2x Back up Atomic Batteries (in the event of a total reactor power failure with absolutly no means of repair unless at a dry-dock, these direct charging generators, which consists of a capacitor which is charged by the current of charged particles from a radioactive layer deposited on one of the electrodes, are used to power the propulsion system to bring them home.) Power: well over 20 GW/h per reactor Flank Speed: 44 knots Cruise Speed: 36 knots Range: unlimited fuel range; 12 months of limited food supply Lodging: -12 months worth at 3 meals a day for 56 people -1x Large walk in dry foods room -1x Large walk in Fridge/Freezer -1x large galley that accommodates 35 at a time with full sized kitchen -1x entertainment/gaming/exercise room -61x sets of magnetic utensils and plates -quarters level contains captains and commander quarters with rooms and 2 bunks to every room with each room having a private toilet/shower, and with each bunk having a pop-down monitor and keyboard connected to a gaming grade PC situated below cabin (LAN connects all 56 computers for both work and entertainment purposes; fire walled of course and on separate hard wire network from main systems; Internet access I will let NSD decide how this might work) Brig: Located below bridge with accommodations for up to 8 persons (cot, toilet, sink with cameras at all four corners of each cell with electrified inner/outer doors and emergency locking mechanism that can only be opened from the bridge with authorisation from both captain and commander) Plumbing: -1x universal recycling system plus piping for all 8 toilets in brig, 28 showers and 28 heads (U.R.S. breaks down sewage and waste into two parts; hard waste, which is removed of contaminants, is discharged at sea and partially filtered water) -4x Water filtration units (able to convert the outside sea and partially filtered water from URS into fresh drinkable water) -8x water pump units (4x to pump in water/liquid waste for filtration and 4x for basic ship plumbing) -Air filtration system designed with NBC protection in mind (any and all air going in or out of any room goes through multiple detection and filtration modules. if the system detects NBC particles outside of ship, all outside vents are close and air is constantly recycled and filtered. think of an advanced co2 scrubbing system built into the design of the ship.) Fire prevention: -Fire extinguisher's (located throughout the ship) -Fire retardant sprinkler system -Fire detection system for every nook and cranny of the ship in order to dissipate fires ASAP Armament: -1 Underdog NM-21 40mm Rail cannon (concealed when not in use; fires 40mm x 100mm steal rounds at mach 8; liquid helium cooled rails; refrigerator unit cooled liquid helium;) =40 high powered capacitor banks =30 rounds per minute ROF =90 degree vertical, 360 degree horizontal =800 tungsten/Osmium rounds -4 ASW Launchers (concealed when not in use; when concealed, automated reload system will load additional torpedoes and grenades from storage compartment) -6 torpedoes similar to pump-jet MU90's per ASW launcher (armed with high yield thermometric charge; magnetic assisted cold launch system;) -20 ASW grenade tubes similar to the ASW-601 system by Saab per ASW launcher (4x tubes between each torpedo on the ASW launcher) -320 ASW rocket assisted grenades in reserve -48 ASW torpedoes in reserve -1728 Ready condition Multi-role Missiles (concealed in 864 magnetic assisted cold launch missile cells, with 6 rockets per cell and in a stacked formation; meaning 3 missiles per tube and 2 tubes per cell. when one missile is launched, the other is already able to be launched via magnetic acceleration with the tube looking similar to a x shaped version this with the cover off.) -5184 MRMs in reserve Example of a Strike Team: -7x GD-9 30. tactical battle rifle with a 30mm under-slung rocket grenade launcher -2x GD-4 AA/A Rocket launcher's -7x quantum cryptic communicators -several detonation kits w/several pounds of C-4 Countermeasures: -4x 20MW Laser CIWS (mounted above bridge; able to engage targets 20m to 500m away from ship; google ZEUS-HLONS for the basic idea) -4x MUSIC modules (12 decoy points per module and located at port, starboard, stern, bow) -8x SQL-25 Dixie Torpedo Decoy system's mounted on URV's to enhance signal strength and divert enemy torpedoes (launched from hatch above waterline and on port and starboard of vessel; 4x URV's per side) Protection (listed from inside to outer most part): -Electro-magnetic shielding to hide most of the magnetic signature generated by the power systems/engines and placed just behind the outer hull -honey comb Titanium Osmium alloy super structure welded to a 155mm thick Titanium Osmium alloy uni-body outer hull with 20mm thick high temperature ceramic-armour underAdaptiv Armour plating to hide thermal signature and radar absorbing materials + R.O. paint -below water line the adaptiv armour plating continues, but is covered in a salt-water proof sound absorbing rubber coating normally used on nuclear subs. Complement: 56x total (1 Captain, 1 Commander, 4 Chef Officers, 6 Naval Propulsion Officers, 20 Naval Technicians, 10 Naval Nuclear Engineering Officers, and 2 strike teams at 1 pilot and 6 security professionals each) Sensors: Radar 4x APAR arrays (something like SMART-L) =for Navigation and tracking =able to perform search, track and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a capability of over 100 targets each. =has a maximum range of 400 km against patrol aircraft, and 65 km against stealth targets. IFF Mode 5, Level 1 (enhanced with an Friendly Unique PIN) Sonar -2x Active/Passive S-34 Sonar module (at mid section keel; at forward keel;) -LADAR Advanced 3d imaging with 150km range, and unlimited depth perception Hanger: equipment and munitions for the NV-28 and NV-86 Aircraft: 2x NV-28 (dual Turbojet-VTOL similar in shape to the HK-VTOL in terminator except about 10% bigger to accommodate a strike team; the engines are nuclear powered) Multirole craft 2x ORCA NV-86 Drone gunship (dual Turbojet-VTOL nuclear powered drones armed with Anti-Air/Armour (AA/A) and Anti-infantry/Armour (AI/A) missiles and a 10mm machine gun Cost:[/b] $X million for the ship 200 million per NV-28 and 160 million per drone -=multi-role missile (M.R.M.)=- Length: 2.6m width: 40cm Range: 4000nm wingspan: each fin 5cm in height from fuselage of missile; long fin to reduce drag and act to produce Lorentz force; and 1cm at thickest point. top speed: mach 3.6 cruise speed: mach 1.5 -the missile is designed to intercept missiles, aircraft and ships, and to provide close support for infantry and vehicles using a miniature rocket-core ramjet engine to hit the target with pin-point accuracy at high velocities. (literally pin-point as these missile may be guided by laser from fellow troops and use thrust vectoring to steer) -uses Variable Flow Ducted Rocket (Air-augmented rocket) for high velocity flight or LVA flight; extending the range and providing unrivalled speed -APAR Radar/thermal seeking system with priority selection system based on proximity to main vessel computer system =P.S.S. allows relay of information between missiles in order to swarm a tough enemy (the system also acts on a as needed basis) -Optional: a remote control system allows strike team to take control of guidance system of M.R.M. after missile is 300m away from main vessel in order to prevent friendly fire and allow better accuracy for tracking targets =thus allows the missile to be turned into a remote piloted kamikaze drone -=(LVA)Low Velocity and Altitude system for MRM: =launch how ever many missiles and engage the system to keep missile's in the sky until either given scuttle order or authorisation to strike =also allows multi-vector assaults to keep your enemy guessing as to where the missiles are coming from =acts as a Major deterrent against any enemy (mainly pirates, and natives...not that you would want to scare natives...would you?) SO! that is my Strategic Assault Ship, may be a WIP but at least it will work after some help Oh, and any X means an undetermined measurement or quantity that I will leave in your capable hands. EDIT: I have ze missile design Pic ![]() EDIT!!!!_NOV_9... I have updated the OP, thus removed the MHD Drive, turned the reactors into advanced Radioisotope thermoelectric fusion generator's, made first draft line art for the missile, updated the specs of the missile and proven with math that the 5184 missiles will fit if formed into a railgun cold launch system whilst being stacked by 3 in a single tube. thus volume is not an issue, weight is and will always be an issue for ships. thus I will be back as soon as I find a calculator for fuel and for finding out the thrust of the rocket motor. -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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Posted: Nov 5 2011, 07:15 AM
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![]() You have way too much time on your hands ... Group: Moderators Posts: 4,174 Member No.: 22 Joined: 11-April 07 |
MHDs tend to be low speed drives and kind of a pain, backup generators running to the main shafts are probably a better use of displacement. -------------------- ![]() ![]()
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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 5 2011, 09:20 AM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
I see where your coming from in regards to having redundancies over redundancies, but what is holding MHD's back in terms of technology?
EDIT: would a nuclear reactor be able to convert the outside sea water into hydrogen for power generation instead of converting the water into steam? Is fusion really a viable option for nuclear power? how does a fusion reactor generate electricity? -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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Posted: Nov 5 2011, 11:03 PM
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![]() You have way too much time on your hands ... Group: Moderators Posts: 4,174 Member No.: 22 Joined: 11-April 07 |
MHDs are heavy and require extremely large magnetic fields to be generated. It's better to just use a prop. Something this large isn't going to get the noise or complexity benefits MHDs purport to provide.
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| Estusia |
Posted: Nov 6 2011, 03:30 AM
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yes nuke reactors can make hydrogen use the power generated to crack water except to do that you need electricity in the first place and its more efficient to just make steam from the reactor and use it to turn turbines, unless you want the hydrogen for something. although i suppose a nuke reactor can crack water and CO2 then make fuel out of it. That would be rather interesting Fusion generates electricity just like conventional power, except the heat comes from nuclear changes instead of burning stuff. -------------------- ![]() roflroflroflrofl |
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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 6 2011, 04:28 AM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
but the energy conversion into steam is such a waste of potential energy, is there another way to convert the radiation emitted by a reactor to produce electrical current? an atomic battery perhaps?
-------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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Posted: Nov 6 2011, 07:32 AM
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![]() You have way too much time on your hands ... Group: Moderators Posts: 4,174 Member No.: 22 Joined: 11-April 07 |
It's a lot more efficient than anything else we've been able to come up with, especially at that scale.
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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 6 2011, 10:47 AM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
ok, what about using multiple thermocouples to directly turn the heat/radiation into electricity via Niobium-titanium super conductor or some other metal with high conductivity and high melting point?
would that not be more efficient since you cut out the middle-man? -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 7 2011, 08:51 AM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
sorry to double post, but if a reactor core was dipped in a Ionic compound, would it not generate electricity?
or even a teflon silver thermocouple wire?... HOLY CUSS!! THEY ALREADY HAVE IT!! ok, that is what I am talking about!! use a thorium reactor to produce a power generating monster!!! this really solves my power problems in regards to all the designs; no more need of lugging around steam generation equipment with this concept! ok: Mirocov MK-IV Armoured Combat Reactor is now a high efficiency fusion thermoelectric generator that also captures the electrons emitted by the fusion reactor into usable energy... photons (infra red-light) is also emitted by the fusion reactor, thus can be captured to a degree via Thermo-photovoltaic cells... would this work? -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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| Praetonia |
Posted: Nov 7 2011, 10:14 AM
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![]() Aristobrat Group: Members Posts: 5,204 Member No.: 59 Joined: 21-April 07 |
The biggest problem with this is that the missile complement likely takes up more volume than is present on the ship. No amount of FT magic will solve that. The missile itself is furthermore impossible.
Actually almost everything here I could comment on but I have to go out soon. Best thing would be to start again. -------------------- ![]() <dtn> hopefully plae won't follow me into my dreams |
| FUG |
Posted: Nov 7 2011, 12:13 PM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
ok, having stacked munitions that are 2.6m long (like metal storm) each is what I was going for.. that equates to about 7.8m, lets make it 8m, drought is a measurement of submerged hull. over all hull height from keel to deck should be around 16 to 20 metres; so you are right on that part. actually it would have to be bigger, the over-all size does not fit the picture by just a margin; you see this entire write-up is based on that picture and information for the zumwalt class. the deck to full height is about 1/3 or 1/2 the height space, meaning that the tower section would have to equate to 20m in height and from the deck to keel equalling 25 to 50m of space... nah, that might be wrong.. just for now lets say 30 to 36m so lets continue then: the reactors need only be about 3m wide by 15m long and laid on their sides, the crew compartments are located at the mid section of the vessel under the bridge where a total of 30 to 36 metres of space from the keel to the top is. walk ways stretch from this section to the hanger and to the forward section for repairs of internal systems. the missile cells are in fact low power railguns that use Lorenz force to launch the missiles at 12km/h with three sections of rail-gun for the three missiles that are stacked. the hanger is of some concern when it comes to space and the four aircraft; two of which are drones the size of a large truck and about 1m in height. the VTOL-transports are slightly smaller than a seahawk at around 7m long by 2m wide by 5m high each. the hanger in itself is about 6m from floor to ceiling and the ceiling, which is just a telescoping hatch way for the aircraft and about 20m^2, is about 3m away from the pop up torpedo-turrets. another 4m away from the turrets is the cell section. under that particular cell section is where the first set of reactors are; taking up 3m of height space and still having quite a bit of breathing room since the engines are on the outside and not the inside of the vessel. Now if your referring to the displacement of the missiles, which is allot, that is 5184 missiles that weigh 30lbs each (I know that is being conservitive for a 2.6m long missile); then that equals 46.29 long tons... my ship is 16556.8 long tons, meaning it could carry WAAAY more than what it has now... hell, lets find out how mush is too much!! 16556.8 divided by 5184 equals 3.2 long tons PER MISSILE.... now I have proven that displacement is not the big issue since in FT, hell even PMT, the reactors won't have to be HUGE... I mean I just used the measurements for a thorium reactor the size of my apartment, and that is WAY too big for a fusion reactor rated at 20GW/h. now about the width, I have no cussing idea what to make it! all I know is that the missiles in of them selves are rocket/turbo-ramjet's modelled after the j58 engine except that they are RAMJET-ROCKETS... yes that would work, ramjet engine with a rocket engine core to both accelerate the rocket and create the RAM effect at high speed. there you go! you could make it any size you want and would have a faster, longer burning missile at a range of 2000 to 3000nm. 20 to 40cm should be enough space, and you could make it with modern technologies or use a fuel that is on the drawing board since I will make this vessel officially PMT. ok, now back to size if stacked, 7.8+3= 10.8m of height currently used, leaving 19.2 to 25.2m of space remaining for the other equipment. I now know that the dimensions are off for the vessel in its self when you look at the picture but lets do more math while I figure out the proper dimensions: (200*26*30)= 156000 cubic metres grand total for lower deck 4(3x3x15m)= 540 cubic metres for the reactor's (5184(2.8x.4x.4))= 21565.44 cubic metres for the missiles 156000 - (540+21565.44) = 133894.56 cubic metres remaining I think you forgot to BEDMAS... Brackets > Exponents > Division > Multiplication > Subtraction Then Addition... -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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| Praetonia |
Posted: Nov 7 2011, 12:45 PM
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![]() Aristobrat Group: Members Posts: 5,204 Member No.: 59 Joined: 21-April 07 |
1. "that weigh 30lbs each (I know that is being conservitive for a 2.6m long missile)" O RLY
2. Respond to my PM. idk what the issue is but this is insulting my intelligence. -------------------- ![]() <dtn> hopefully plae won't follow me into my dreams |
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Posted: Nov 7 2011, 01:16 PM
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You have way too much time on your hands ... Group: Members Posts: 4,838 Member No.: 17 Joined: 10-April 07 |
hi great thread
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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 7 2011, 08:24 PM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
I apologise but the volume of the missiles is not a issue. if the missile is 2.6m long by 40cm wide, you will end up with 4.16 cubic metres per missile. at 5184 missiles total, you will end up with 21565.44 cubic metres used for all 5184 missiles stored in a stacked cold launch low velocity mass-driver system. I am really sorry if I sounded like an cuss, but the math does not lie. the basic volume of the lower part of the vessel, before you trim it down to meet the proper shape, is 156000 cubic metres. this leave 134434.56 cubic metres remaining for everything else on the lower decks of the ship and 16510.51 remaining displacement weight after you deduct just the missiles. EDIT: what PM?? do you mean a TG on NS.net? because I have yet to receive a single one. look I truly am sorry if I seemed like an cuss, but for cuss sake why do you think that!? I had no intention of insulting your intellect! all I did was just prove that volume, yet alone displacement, is not at all a big issue for a 200 metre long vessel! hell, I was expecting the missile delema; and I am glad you got my cog's working out the solution to produce a rocket core ramjet missile. I would love to see more help to work out the kinks and find the proper Natical Miles for this system! for me, that is the only idea that needs fixing; but if you point anything else out, then help me fix it! EDIT: I am doing the line art right now and will show the new dimensions for the missiles in the next post. including the weight and volume calculations. -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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| FUG |
Posted: Nov 7 2011, 11:15 PM
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![]() 1% Armaments Designer Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 11 |
DONE!! ZE MISSILE!!!
Length: 2.6m width: 40cm Range: 4000nm wingspan: each fin 5cm in height from fuselage of missile; long fin to reduce drag and act to produce Lorentz force; and 1cm at thickest point. top speed: mach 3.6 cruise speed: mach 1.5 EDIT LOG< DARDATE NOV-8.. I, have, update.. the, or-ri-gin-AL, post.. have, yet, to, hear, back... from.. endorse... -------------------- self proclaimed Mad scientist of NS.
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