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 TK-X (MBT-X) Type 10A "Kublai Khan" FMBT, Type 10A "Kublai Khan" FMBT project
UchihaMadara971
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 06:49 AM


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Can anyone design me a main battle tank image for this new tank I have in mind?

Weight: 76 tonnes
Length (with gun extended forward): 12.56 m
Height: 3.21 m
Width: 4.25 m
Length of gun: 9 m
Track width: 805 mm
Ground clearance: 600 mm
Maximum speed: 100 km/h
Cross country speed: 83 km/h
Speed 10% Slope: 35 km/h
Speed 60% slope: 27 km/h
Acceleration: (0 to 46 km/h) 3.1 seconds
Range: 750 km
Range (external tank fuel): 950 km
Trench crossing: 4.05 m
Vertical obstacle: 2.14 m
Fording without preparation: 1.83 m
Fording with preparation: 3.71 m
Suspension: PLA-119 Type A-II Hydropneumatic Active suspension
Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon
Secondary armament: 1x Type Shiro 40-mm Electro-magnetic rail cannon; with/or 1 x Ishikawajima IH-119 Type B-IIA Heavy Metal Storms Pod RWS - einsteinium rounds - 40-mm
Tertiary/Additional armaments: 1 x Arisaka Type 100 heavy machine gun
4 x Sumitomo NTK_62 machine guns; using 7.62x51mm NATO rounds; up to 750 rounds per minute
Co-axial 1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23M (Modernized variant) 23×115-mm autcannon (10,000 rpm), OR
Co-axial 1x GIAT 30 (30-mm) autocannon (2,500 rpm)
1 x Remote Weapon System - ballistic einsteinium 60-mm Type 11 Reichmetall

This post has been edited by UchihaMadara971 on Nov 15 2011, 11:55 PM
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Forza
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 08:39 AM


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Welcome to NSD.

Firstly, this isn't how the board works. What actually happens: people on this board examine your design, offer advice on how it could be improved and point out any flaws with it. For that to happen, you need to post the specifications and the write up for it otherwise our help is very limited.

Secondly, visit the LINC forums for help on drawing an image. http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?


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RRoan
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 11:34 AM


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Praetonia
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 01:43 PM


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A number of people have tried to commission complete drawings and the bottom line is that unless it is either very simple or someone who can draw knows and likes you already you're almost certainly not going to get a good tank drawing (equivalent to at least several hours' work) for free.


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Posted: Nov 15 2011, 03:53 PM


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It's probably a bad idea to join NSD and make your first post one that asks for a drawing with very little information on what to draw.


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UchihaMadara971
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 11:05 PM


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I have fixed it. The specifications have been added.
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Allanea
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 11:37 PM


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QUOTE (UchihaMadara971 @ Nov 15 2011, 12:49 AM)
Can anyone design me a main battle tank image for this new tank I have in mind?

Weight: 76 tonnes
Length (with gun extended forward): 12.56 m
Height: 3.21 m
Width: 4.25 m
Length of gun: 9 m
Track width: 805 mm
Ground clearance: 600 mm
Maximum speed: 100 km/h
Cross country speed: 83 km/h
Speed 10% Slope: 35 km/h
Speed 60% slope: 27 km/h
Acceleration: (0 to 46 km/h) 3.1 seconds
Range: 750 km
Range (external tank fuel): 950 km
Trench crossing: 4.05 m
Vertical obstacle: 2.14 m
Fording without preparation: 1.83 m
Fording with preparation: 3.71 m
Suspension: PLA-119 Type A-II Hydropneumatic Active suspension
Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon
Secondary armament: 1x Type Shiro 40-mm Electro-magnetic rail cannon; with/or 1 x Ishikawajima IH-119 Type B-IIA Heavy Metal Storms Pod RWS - einsteinium rounds - 40-mm - 1 milion rounds per minute (available in the Type 10-AII variant only)
Tertiary/Additional armaments: 1 x Arisaka Type 100 heavy machine gun
4 x Sumitomo NTK_62 machine guns; using 7.62x51mm NATO rounds; up to 750 rounds per minute
Co-axial 1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23M (Modernized variant) 23×115-mm autcannon (10,000 rpm), OR
Co-axial 1x GIAT 30 (30-mm) autocannon (2,500 rpm)
1 x Remote Weapon System - ballistic einsteinium 60-mm Type 11 Reichmetall
9 x S-400 Triumf 40N6 Hypersonic SAM, OR
20 x Type 99 Matsu BLATGM with APKWS capability
23 x Fragmentary Grenade Launchers

Please explain.

Are you actually joking or do you seriously want to mount nine S-400 Triumphs on a tank?


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Crookfur
Posted: Nov 15 2011, 11:40 PM


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To be perfectly frank I doubt anyone on NSD would ever want to have anything to do with your design as is.

Not that NSD is for art requests, thats is what LINC is for:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?


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Allanea
Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:03 AM


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1. What is a doublecannon?

2. Where do the HellFire missiles fit?

3. What is the hull length of the tank? What ground pressure does it exert? In other terms, how do you ensure the mobility of a 75-ton tank?

4. Can you list your tank's weapons in a more legible way?


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Purpelia
Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:05 AM


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Hm... where do I start?

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Length (with gun extended forward): 12.56 m

This is a tad long for a tank. Not impossible but a tad long.

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Length of gun: 9 m

7m rule. Any gun barrel longer than 7 meters has the combat effectiveness of a wet noddle. (Vibrations from the long barrel mess things up)

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Maximum speed: 100 km/h

With 76 tons? Er... I guess if you installed rocket busters on it. Maybe you are using the S-400 engines for the bust?

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Cross country speed: 83 km/h

I have seen hovertanks that can't match that.

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Main armament: 1x Japan Steel L75 175-mm

Given a 175mm gun you are already severely entering the huge tank destroyer category. Its not that it cant be done. But th massive shells will be grossly overkill for any use and will cut down your ammunition stocks to the point where you will be lucky to carry a handfull of them in your tank.

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ETC/Thermobaric Double-Cannon

Please tell me double cannon does not mean two gun barrels put together? Please...

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Secondary armament: 1x Type Shiro 40-mm Electro-magnetic rail cannon;

If you are doing FT and railguns, than why are you bothering with ETC guns? Or realism? Seriously, just mount a railgun for your main weapon.

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Tertiary/Additional armaments: 1 x Arisaka Type 100 heavy machine gun
4 x Sumitomo NTK_62 machine guns; using 7.62x51mm NATO rounds; up to 750 rounds per minute

Either you have been playing way too much Red Alert 2 or reading way too many Polsen War books. One machine gun per tank is fine, two is good, 5 is so much over the top that the Landship Committee would be proud of you.

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Co-axial 1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23M (Modernized variant) 23×115-mm autcannon (10,000 rpm), OR
Co-axial 1x GIAT 30 (30-mm) autocannon (2,500 rpm)

I would advise you against using multiple barreled gatling canons meant for aircraft on tanks. The type of requirement posed for one platform (rapid discharge of huge amounts of rounds to hit a hugely fast target from a massively fast moving platform) is radically different than that of the other (precise bursts of fire to kill slow moving vehicles and blow up houses and stuff.)

But at this point your tank is starting to look less like a Leo2 and more like a bloody porcupine. Or maybe the bastard love child of a gunsmith and a hedgehog. I have seen motor rifle platoons with less firepower than that thing.

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1 x Remote Weapon System - ballistic einsteinium 60-mm Type 11 Reichmetall

Er... no. You are not fitting a 60mm autocanon on a RWS on top of your main turret. Well, you could. But than the RWS would be as large as the turret of a modern IFV. And so you would have a turret on top of a turret. Recursion!

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9 x S-400 Triumf 40N6 Hypersonic SAM

Just to make something clear to you.
This is a S-400.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S-400_Triumf_SAM.png

Might as well mount a Topol on it while you are going.

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20 x Type 99 Matsu BLATGM

Er... no. You are not mounting 20 hellfires on a tank. You could mount 20 hellfires on a tank but not on a tank with 5 machine guns, 2 autocanons, a light canon, a heavy canon and 9 missiles that barely fit on the back of a 5 ton truck each.

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with APKWS capability
23 x Fragmentary Grenade Launchers

See above.

Seriously, just what is this thing supposed to be? It has more guns than a freaking baneblade and is about the size of modern tanks. Judging by what you want to cram into it, you won't be looking at this: THIS but this:THIS

Seriously, I think that last image would fit you perfectly.


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Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:07 AM


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Either you have been playing way too much Red Alert 2 or reading way too many Polsen War books. One machine gun per tank is fine, two is good, 5 is so much over the top that the Landship Committee would be proud of you.


What now.


People have done eight. IRL.


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Allanea
Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:09 AM


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Perhaps use this, scaled to fit your tank.

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Purpelia
Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:10 AM


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QUOTE (Allanea @ Nov 16 2011, 12:07 AM)
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Either you have been playing way too much Red Alert 2 or reading way too many Polsen War books. One machine gun per tank is fine, two is good, 5 is so much over the top that the Landship Committee would be proud of you.


What now.


People have done eight. IRL.

People have done many things IRL. Does not make them smart things.


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The three glorious steps of our design process:
Step 1 - The Great Leader draws a picture of what he wants and gives it to the designers with the words: "Make a good X out of this."
Step 2 - The designers than go and do their best to make something that works and still looks mostly like what the Great Leader drew.
Step 3 - Once finished with that, throw it away and make something that actually works.

Always remember:
The law is not law because it is just.
The law is just because it is the law.

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Allanea
Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:14 AM


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I suggest the following solution:

1. If you insist on the ability to launch ATGMs, make the main gun a combination gun/ATGM launcher. Then you can just store the ATGMs with your ordinary tank ammunition.

At this stage you can have a main gun, and two coaxial guns - a slow-firing autocannon, and a machinegun.


2. Add an RWS. Usually a single commander's RWS is enough. This can carry two more guns, perhaps an AGL and a machinegun of some kind. But if you want to go totally craz it can have AGL/heavy machinegun/medium machinegun.


3. Possibly (not necessarily desirable) you can give the tank driver an RWS of his own.

4. Add as many frag grenade launchers as you want. These will be one-shot.

This will leave you with a very well-armed tank and anywhere between 3-4 machineguns.


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Allanea
Posted: Nov 16 2011, 12:15 AM


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QUOTE (Purpelia @ Nov 15 2011, 06:10 PM)

People have done many things IRL. Does not make them smart things.

NSD isn't here to advise people on what's smart.

If a person wants to have a modern IS-7 ripoff in their nation that's their call.


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