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 UK threatens to assault Ecuadorian Embassy, lulz ensues
Lamoni
Posted: Aug 16 2012, 03:57 AM


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Ecuador: UK threatened to break Wikileaks' Julian Assange out of embassy

By NBC News wire reports

QUITO - Ecuador said on Wednesday that the British government had threatened to raid its embassy in London if Wikileaks founder Julian Assange was not handed over, and that Quito would make its decision on his asylum request on Thursday.

"We are not a British colony," Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said in an angry statement.

Former computer hacker Assange, who enraged Washington in 2010 when his WikiLeaks website published secret U.S. diplomatic cables, is wanted in Sweden to face trial for rape.

Assange has been taking refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy in London since June 19. The Australian anti-secrecy campaigner says he fears he could be bundled to the United States where his life would be at risk.

President Rafael Correa, who is openly sympathetic to Assange, said via Twitter on Tuesday that a "rumor of asylum for Assange is false. A decision has not yet been made. I am awaiting a report from the Foreign Ministry." Britain's Guardian newspaper had earlier quoted an unnamed Ecuadorean official as saying asylum had been granted for the Australian.

However, granting asylum would offer no legal protection in Britain where police will arrest him once they get a chance.
Assange has no way of leaving his refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy in London without being arrested, even if Quito grants him asylum shortly, lawyers say.

"The question of asylum is arguably a red herring," said former British government lawyer Carl Gardner.

Assange, who is also liable to arrest for skipping bail, would still have to find a way of getting from central London to South America without passing through British territory.

"I can't see the UK backing down and just allowing him safe passage out of the country," said Rebecca Niblock, an extradition specialist at London law firm Kingsley Napley.

"I think the UK will see their obligations under the European extradition system as overriding any diplomatic relations with Ecuador, who haven't really been considering their diplomatic relations with the UK, apparently."

Assange would be protected from arrest if travelling in a diplomatic car, but the embassy is on the first floor of a building that is being watched by police day and night.

The tall red-brick block just behind the Harrods department store also houses the Colombian embassy and private apartments. A police van was parked outside the main entrance on Wednesday and police officers were patrolling the area in pairs.

The property has several gated entrances and a private car park, but the Ecuadorean embassy is not linked internally with any of them, making the front entrance its only point of exit, a security manager at the building told Reuters.

"There is no other exit. He is going to have to come out of the main entrance," said the manager, who asked not to be named. "There is no way to bring a vehicle in because the car park is private and it is not connected in any way to their premises."

He added: "He can climb out of a window, of course, but there are CCTV cameras everywhere."

Even if he somehow managed to get out of the building and into a waiting car unnoticed by police, he would have to leave the vehicle at some point to board a flight out of Britain, offering more opportunities for his arrest.

Other scenarios lawyers are discussing on the Internet include smuggling him out in a diplomatic bag, which would be illegal, or appointing him as an Ecuadorean diplomat to give him immunity. But lawyers and diplomats said neither was realistic.

Even if Assange were willing to try his luck packed in a crate all the way to Quito, a risky plan by any measure, it seems unlikely Ecuador would attempt such a scheme.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Mikedor
Posted: Aug 16 2012, 08:26 AM


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We won't actually do anything like that.

It's probably to maintain face with the US before we let him quietly slip away in a suitcase.


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Posted: Aug 16 2012, 09:19 AM


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I hope we do let him slip away.

It'd be a shame to see the US swoop on him.


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What're those three ships tailing at the back?

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QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 16 2012, 08:19 AM)
I hope we do let him slip away.

It'd be a shame to see the US swoop on him.

Why? This is a man who has decided that the informants whose names he failed to redact 'deserve to die'. This is a man who is so keen on 'truth and justice' that he has simultaneously endangered thousands whilst deciding himself to be above the law.

If so innocent, why hide?

He's also a paranoid anti-semite who has turned on the newspaper that supported him


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Posted: Aug 16 2012, 10:05 AM


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He's also stupid if he thinks going to Sweden puts him in greater risk of being bagged by the US than staying in Britain.

Best thing he could've done was to hire the best lawyer money can buy and then turn up at court in Sweden.


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Assaulting embassies should remain privilege of primitive middle eastern cesspools.


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QUOTE (Olmedreca @ Aug 16 2012, 11:13 AM)
Assaulting embassies should remain privilege of primitive middle eastern cesspools.

And of course students... drinking05.gif


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QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 16 2012, 12:19 AM)
I hope we do let him slip away.

It'd be a shame to see the US swoop on him.

The US will "swoop in on him" as you put it, no matter where he goes. I'll sure as hell shed no tears when he shows up in a US courtroom and is found guilty in a court of law. The bastard deserves to rot in jail for publically displaying information that could get service members killed. I hope that they give him solitary confinement for life.


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Stevid: Well, you must be congratulated for creating an arsenal ship that hasn't been torn to shreds by the NSD Naval community. I've seen many arsenal ships go through here and been laughed at, but you've gone and designed one that everyone seems at least half okay with.  Well done.


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Lyras: Competence-wise, an M-21 would comfortably be a match for the vast majority of NS-grade tanks.


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Yanitaria: Compared to you, most designers look like they have ADD.


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Ekraysia: I have to say, comparing your military equipment to that of the average NSer would be like comparing the T-34 to a hastily up-armoured elderly horse.


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Samozaryadnyastan
Posted: Aug 16 2012, 12:59 PM


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Some fairly important allegations came out of it, and US forces realised how crap their monitoring of supposedly classified data was, which is a security leak which has surely now been plugged, which can only benefit them in the long run.
Plus the diplomatic embarrassments from the wikileaks scandal will hopefully encourage governments to tread more lightly.


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QUOTE (Falls @ Sep 10 2012, 05:14 PM)

QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Sep 10 2012, 03:24 PM)

What're those three ships tailing at the back?

a good general guess if you look closely is, grossly superior to foreign counter-parts.
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Posted: Aug 16 2012, 05:54 PM


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He's an attention whore. Notably if you pay attention, he's also been subject to a bit of harassment by the US government (ranging from Wired's announcement of Wikileak's second release first), but that's to be expected. You don't mess with the government.

I anticipate this: http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_323_29629.php


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QUOTE (Mikedor @ Aug 16 2012, 08:24 AM)
QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 16 2012, 08:19 AM)
I hope we do let him slip away.

It'd be a shame to see the US swoop on him.

Why? This is a man who has decided that the informants whose names he failed to redact 'deserve to die'. This is a man who is so keen on 'truth and justice' that he has simultaneously endangered thousands whilst deciding himself to be above the law.

If so innocent, why hide?

He's also a paranoid anti-semite who has turned on the newspaper that supported him

Because Samo is a Eurotrash cunt who would see a guilty man go free because he risks the lives of Americans, and give the US government a black eye, so to that end he couldve been eating babies and clubbing old grandmothers to death for lunch and Samo would still jerk off to him not going to trial...Eurotrash Cunt.

My money is on him not slipping away, since Britain itself hasnt yet been reduced to a nation full of simple minded twaddle.

Not to mention I seriously doubt the Brits will sit by while fucking Ecuador thumbs their nose at them. Now that may very well mean that simply they will wait him out...he cant stay there forever.
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Posted: Aug 16 2012, 11:51 PM


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QUOTE (Falls @ Aug 16 2012, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (Mikedor @ Aug 16 2012, 08:24 AM)
QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 16 2012, 08:19 AM)
I hope we do let him slip away.

It'd be a shame to see the US swoop on him.

Why? This is a man who has decided that the informants whose names he failed to redact 'deserve to die'. This is a man who is so keen on 'truth and justice' that he has simultaneously endangered thousands whilst deciding himself to be above the law.

If so innocent, why hide?

He's also a paranoid anti-semite who has turned on the newspaper that supported him

Because Samo is a Eurotrash cunt who would see a guilty man go free because he risks the lives of Americans, and give the US government a black eye, so to that end he couldve been eating babies and clubbing old grandmothers to death for lunch and Samo would still jerk off to him not going to trial...Eurotrash Cunt.

My money is on him not slipping away, since Britain itself hasnt yet been reduced to a nation full of simple minded twaddle.

Not to mention I seriously doubt the Brits will sit by while fucking Ecuador thumbs their nose at them. Now that may very well mean that simply they will wait him out...he cant stay there forever.

Would just like to point out that America wasn't the only nation exposed in the cables.
Though it obviously came out worse from it, as they were largely from US sources and because there was clearly so much classified that probably ought never have been done.

Like, for example, the allegations of fudging civilian casualties in Iraq into enemy combatants, including the infamous Reuters journalism killing, continued prisoner abuse post-Abu Graibh and that the Obama administration supposedly sweetened the nuclear treaty with Russia by allowing the Russians to track all Trident missiles that were issued to the British forces.

Further not denying the risk and possible deaths that come associated with release of information like this, but as I keep saying - if security really was lax enough for Manning to have not only acquired the cables in the first place, but in the way he had done it (inserting blank CDs into a computer and downloading them), it was an accident waiting to happen, whether Assange had ever picked up on it or not.

I don't see him any different than any other whistleblower, only he had more information which was more damaging and carried far more risks in its publication.
I don't believe Morland was incarcerated for attempting and subsequently successfully publishing nuclear secrets (namely the Tellar-Ulam bomb design, or his approximation to it, which is still regarded outside the actual field as one of very few detailed sources), though Vanunu was. Vanunu however tried publishing the actual nuclear programme of Israel, which is probably made worse for him as Israel has its policy of neither confirming nor denying nuclear arsenal.


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QUOTE (Falls @ Sep 10 2012, 05:14 PM)

QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Sep 10 2012, 03:24 PM)

What're those three ships tailing at the back?

a good general guess if you look closely is, grossly superior to foreign counter-parts.
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Legally the UK can storm the embassy after a weeks notice as per the 1987 act. Since Ecuador obviously doesn't want to co-operate, you can put coin on the fact that the Met Police will definitely be in there next weekend.

Regardless of his past; he's been charged with rape. No matter how bs the charges are, he needs to put on a suit and face trial. Maybe the women are lying, maybe they aren't. Claiming unlikelyhood of a fair trial is something that needs to be declared in a legal defence to an impartial judge and not by refusing to face court.

Agree with Lamoni and Mikedor. He isn't a whisteblower or a champion of free press, he's a giant douche who posted classified information for the sake of doing so without caring as to the consequences. No amount of "good" that came from his actions will ever justify what he did.


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QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 16 2012, 10:51 PM)
QUOTE (Falls @ Aug 16 2012, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (Mikedor @ Aug 16 2012, 08:24 AM)
QUOTE (Samozaryadnyastan @ Aug 16 2012, 08:19 AM)
I hope we do let him slip away.

It'd be a shame to see the US swoop on him.

Why? This is a man who has decided that the informants whose names he failed to redact 'deserve to die'. This is a man who is so keen on 'truth and justice' that he has simultaneously endangered thousands whilst deciding himself to be above the law.

If so innocent, why hide?

He's also a paranoid anti-semite who has turned on the newspaper that supported him

Because Samo is a Eurotrash cunt who would see a guilty man go free because he risks the lives of Americans, and give the US government a black eye, so to that end he couldve been eating babies and clubbing old grandmothers to death for lunch and Samo would still jerk off to him not going to trial...Eurotrash Cunt.

My money is on him not slipping away, since Britain itself hasnt yet been reduced to a nation full of simple minded twaddle.

Not to mention I seriously doubt the Brits will sit by while fucking Ecuador thumbs their nose at them. Now that may very well mean that simply they will wait him out...he cant stay there forever.

Would just like to point out that America wasn't the only nation exposed in the cables.
Though it obviously came out worse from it, as they were largely from US sources and because there was clearly so much classified that probably ought never have been done.

Like, for example, the allegations of fudging civilian casualties in Iraq into enemy combatants, including the infamous Reuters journalism killing, continued prisoner abuse post-Abu Graibh and that the Obama administration supposedly sweetened the nuclear treaty with Russia by allowing the Russians to track all Trident missiles that were issued to the British forces.

Further not denying the risk and possible deaths that come associated with release of information like this, but as I keep saying - if security really was lax enough for Manning to have not only acquired the cables in the first place, but in the way he had done it (inserting blank CDs into a computer and downloading them), it was an accident waiting to happen, whether Assange had ever picked up on it or not.

I don't see him any different than any other whistleblower, only he had more information which was more damaging and carried far more risks in its publication.
I don't believe Morland was incarcerated for attempting and subsequently successfully publishing nuclear secrets (namely the Tellar-Ulam bomb design, or his approximation to it, which is still regarded outside the actual field as one of very few detailed sources), though Vanunu was. Vanunu however tried publishing the actual nuclear programme of Israel, which is probably made worse for him as Israel has its policy of neither confirming nor denying nuclear arsenal.

Like I said.

Rape is okay, so long as its a black-eye for Americans.

Whistleblower? Im sorry I was unaware he worked in US intelligence, or in the Military. Oh no he illegally received classified information then made it public. Thats not a whistleblower.

But you are still Eurotrash.
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Assange is a first class shitbag, and Wikileaks is better off with him out of the picture.


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