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 TAG-34
ItailianMaifias
Posted: May 3 2011, 04:34 AM


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TAG-34

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Weight: 8.15 lbs.
Length: 895mm
Barrel Length: 495mm

Caliber: 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano
Operation: Short stroke gas operated, rotating bolt
Fire Rate: 875 rpm
Muzzle Velocity: 1,005 m/s
Effective Range: 640 meters
Feed System: 25 round PMAG magazine
Sights: Built in rail iron sights, Mk.IV Stinger Red Dot Sight, Merzia 4x Optical Sight.
Fire Options: Full automatic and Semi-automatic

The TAG-34 was designed by Towsend Armaments Division engineer Donatello Merzia. Development began in 2006 when the M-2 saw heavy action and some issues were raised with it, such as multiple jams due to it's direct gas impingment system. In 2010, the Itailian Government opened a competetion to all companies of the world to come up with a rifle to "supplement" the M-2. Townsend Military Enterprises began working on another rifle and Donatello Merzia was assigned as the head of the development team. After a few months, four rifles from around the world were entered into the competetion while TME had yet to even finish a prototype. When the ICDF adopted the FGR Mk.II as their standard issue rifle, which replaced the M-2, TME became heavily worried they would be outphased by foreign companies. In 2012, Donatella presented the first finished prototype of the Townsend Automatic Gun 34 more commonly called the TAG-34. Unlike the M-2, it wasn't a bullup rifle, rather conventional. It borrowed several foreign ideas and molded them into one gun. TME entered the TAG-34 into the ARC(Advanced Rifle Competetion) in the fall of 2012 and in January of the following year, the Itailan Army made an order of two thousand TAG-34 rifles for testing, where it remains, with another carbine variant entered as well which features a different rail on the top of the reciever which lacks an optical sight like the original version of the TAG-34

The weapon was meant to improve on the faults of the M-2 AAR. A new operation was researched for this weapon after the direct impingment of the M-2 AAR proved decent however outmatched by several other designs. This weapon uses a gas operated rotating bolt, turning away from the traditional direct impingment and long-stroke gas piston used by other Itailian weapons. Using the rotating bolt, this results in higher relibility, with only 143 stoppages after 50,000 rounds. The gas operated rotating bolt system in the TAG-34 grants better quality and dependency as it gets rid of one of the problems with the M-2, jamming. The TAG-34 averages eight hundred and seventy five rounds per minute, which is lower then the M-2's nine hundred, however in an accuracy test, forty five percent of the rounds launched from TAG-34's hit the target more times and in better spots. The system is based off of the short stroke system developed by Hecklor and Koch for the HK416.

The TAG-34's chambered round was the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano which was chosen due to it's ability to play well on both the close quarters and decent range playing fields, with testing showing that the TAG-34 can hit a target in a kill zone from about 320 meters, which is an approvement above the two hundred and eighty yards. The Mannlicher-Carcano was also adopted over the former 8.2,mm ISR that was used in the M2 AAR due to weight concerns, with the Regale Escerito stating that with this new round, soldiers can carry more ammo then they would be able to if they used the ISR round. On this note, the TAG has two firing modes; fully automatic and semi-automatic. The fully and semi auto remain on per the request of the Itailian Army who has found fully automatic fire to be extremely useful in certain situations. The semi-automatic option has been installed in order to allow units to conserve ammunition if needed and also perform suppressing fire in certain situations as well and it is also why many ask why not just blast the dude with full auto, full auto is a big ammunition consumer and the ILC(Imperial Logicistical Corp) had problems with having enough ammo in the May Day War as well as Operation Bohemian Knight due to the fact that they didn't have enough ammunition to have an entire five divisions use full auto.

There are two options of sights for the TAG, the Merzia 4x Optical Sight which is much like the optical sight on the G36 only it can be zoomed in an extra level. The Optical Sight can be removed and replaced with a rail and Mk.IV Stinger Red Dot Sight, which is TME's new red dot sight, their previous one the Mk. II Stinger Red Dot Sight is used on the M-2 AAR. The Optical Sight feaures a small arrow shaped pointer coming from the bottom of the sight while the Mk.IV Stinger has a high intensity red dot in the center of the sight.

Comments, opinions, concerns? I was directed here from the NS forums, so I decided to give it a go
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CuriousCatgirl
Posted: May 3 2011, 04:38 AM


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Barrel length hilariously short.


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So instead of saying that the AR "shits where it eats," we should be saying, "The AR sticks a blow dryer in its vagina, so it needs frequent re-lubing."
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ItailianMaifias
Posted: May 3 2011, 04:43 AM


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QUOTE (CuriousCatgirl @ May 3 2011, 04:38 AM)
Barrel length hilariously short.

Sorry about that, forgot to edit the correct length in.

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Andorianus\Dystopianus
Posted: May 3 2011, 01:47 PM


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Just repeating what I said on the NS forums: this is win.

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The four round burst is the first burst firing mode in any Itailian gun and was chosen over the three round burst because TME calculated that if an soldier equipped with the TAG was up agains an opponent with Level 4 kevlar, it would take 2 rounds to penetrate through the vest and another two to take the enemy down.
I really do doubt that, considering this rifle uses a rather heavy cartridge. It should be able to penetrate kevlar in one shot, and deliver quite a hefty punch to ceramic plates.


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Satirius
Posted: May 3 2011, 02:50 PM


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Why do you have such a light rifle for such a retardedly OP round? Why do you need the burst when you won't be hitting the same place on the supervest four times?


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Incidentally, the best post was mine

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Ekraysia
Posted: May 3 2011, 03:59 PM


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Stock looks like that for a bullpup.

Why?
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Crookfur
Posted: May 3 2011, 06:12 PM


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I orginally psoted a fair bit of feedback on NS when this was first posted but i'm not sure how much you noticed of it at the time as a few points still need attention.


Muzzle velocity, ASE probably isn't able to give you a real estimate for his rounds perfromance from a 12" barrel but lets just say it won't have increased from the 900m/s in a 24" barrel value he does give. Simple solution? ditch this stat it adds NOTHING to your design and isn't even fixed

Range is curiously precise, generally people round to the nearest 100m's or so possibly the neariest 50m.

PMAG describes a specific brand of magazine produced by Magpul. Ideally you should be leaving this bit generic as a 25 round box magazine and detail the construction and materials of the magazine in the write up.

You need to compeltely rewrite the bit tlaking aboutt he imporvements made to the action, it still reads like a move from tilt (i assume as its the only other common system) to rotary locking soved the porblem with the little bit about short stroke bolted on the end. its the move from DI to short stroke that resolved issues so emphasis that part of it.

Your armour levels and your description of your ammunitions perfromance agaisnt them ar a bit iffy. Are you actually refering to the NIJ Protection levels (i.e. I, IIa, II, IIIa, III and IV) or soemthign else? if you are talking about NIJ then levels II is a non issue as any rifle worth its salt will peentrate that. In the absence of any other data about your ammo one would be forced to assume that its about on par with current full calibre rifle ammo and as such your standard "ball" loads will in most cases be stopped by level III armour and AP loads by level IV.

The burst fucntion isn't going to help the armour penetration, given the light nature of the gun and the apparently high powered ammo any round past the first in a burst will be wasted as they will have gone over the target's head. 4 round burst is also a little odd as thats easily within the number of rounds that most soldiers should be firing within a disciplined short burst on full auto. Of course havign both FA and burst modes means that most troops will bypass burst and go to full fun mode.

The description on the scope could be better worded, i get that you mean that its simply a 4x version of the G36 scope (although do you mean the 3x+integrated 1x set up or the 3.5x scope supplied with the E models?). The way you ahve written it also imples a variable zoom fucntion which neither of the G36 options offer.


I would STRONGLY advise against using ASE's round in this. From the looks of the stats it would be generating very high pressures with resultant major issues in terms of muzzle blast and barrel life.


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Posted: May 3 2011, 11:13 PM


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Probably better off just doing 2-rd burst double-tappery at full cyclic of 900 rds/min (so first 2 rds in just over a tenth of a second, followed by a quarter-second pause to re-acquire the target and pull the trigger again, dumping 4 rounds into the target in less than half a second rather than a full one-count).

The reason why is because a 4-rd burst is big enough to just use trigger-control on full-auto (quarter-second finger-twitch), and is therefore useless.

Lulz ensues when you work a 2-rd burst into a pistol.
(something like lulz-worthy 1.2k/min cyclic, 200 to 350 rds/min practical RoF)

Your 4 rd burst only achieves 315 rds/min, assuming it only takes a half-second to trace a new target. Which is a pretty "shit has hit the fan awhile ago" way of looking at it, apparently as according to military manuals.

"Rapid-fire" (Military definition) of bursts would place ammunition consumption at ~ 73 rds/min, and the pistol at a piddly 38 rds/min unless excercising "double-taps" in burst-mode* (raising it to 71 rds/min). For comparission, rapidly pulling the trigger as fast as possable 4 times every 3 seconds achieves 60 rds/min. Aside from finger-fatigue, benefit is negligiable.

*Double-taps w/o burst ~ 37 rds/min.

Long explanation short, you're going to be getting just under 74 rds/min of disciplined burst-fire no matter how you slice it up, and when it takes a quarter-second of holding the trigger down to send the rounds on their merry little way there is no need for a burst-function if you can fire fully-automatic.

There's probably a reason for this and I'm guessing it's called recoil.


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Posted: May 26 2011, 02:14 AM


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Posted: May 26 2011, 02:21 AM


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Posted: May 26 2011, 02:21 AM


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wczt


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Posted: May 26 2011, 03:03 AM


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Posted: May 26 2011, 03:03 AM


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QczczTcz (1010102 @ Mczy 25 2011, 09:03 PM)
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