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Title: 1%ers views on 3 peice patch
Description: ? about Black Label Society Back patch


Peckerwood - December 30, 2004 04:54 AM (GMT)
Question?? I ride and I listen to heavy metal music! As a Xmas gift from my wife I recieved a Black Label Society 4 piece back patch (see here>>> Black Label Society )BLS Back Patch
I have heard about 1%ers have a problem with non 1%ers wearing such patches. Can Someone clarify this for me. I dont wanna disrespect someone and I dont need any trouble if I decide to wear this!!
THanks!!!
Peckerwood

Michigan Mike - December 30, 2004 02:11 PM (GMT)
I've heard of Angels checking out the BLS patch logo when it first came out. I think any new 3-piece would draw their interest.

Anyhow, it is my understanding the NYC chapter is tight with Wylde. Someone even told me he saw Zakk with colors once. Take that for what it's worth. I did not see that myself.

With Angels hanging on the sets with Zakk, hitting his shows and such, I think his choice of logo had to pass some type of 1%er scrutiny.

I've worn a BLS shirt out and about since someone through one my way and have never had anyone say a word let alone give me grief. If you passed an Angels inquiry, I think you're pretty much set. After all, there's no MC and 13 patches and the regional rockers are omitted.

Zakk does kick ass though. Quite a few Angels must think so too so I wouldn't worry.

MM

ManyDays - December 30, 2004 07:53 PM (GMT)
Well, as your luck would have it the HA aren't the only 1%'ers. I can tell you with certainty there is at least one percenter club that would NOT accept that patch and it has everything to do with being a piece patch, regardless of it being void of the 'MC' designator or region rocker. Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around NYC or the 81. There are a number of 1% support clubs that do what is expected of them without feeling the need to check on the status of that piece patch. If THEY make a mistake you are the only one who will suffer from that mistake, not them. The bottom line here is that if you "think" it could be troublesome for you and you don't want "troublesome" or can't handle "trublesome" then leave it alone. By the same token, if you want to walk around with 1,000 dollar bills hanging out of your pocket, daring someone to try and take 'em away from you; well you can do that too.

If 3 lone Pagans happened to spot you with that patch in some bar you'd wish it were 1,000 dollar bills you were flaunting. But they don't have to be Pagans. They could be from any 1% club.

Michigan Mike - December 31, 2004 04:08 AM (GMT)
Well ,there you go PW. You got the word of someone who knows different. I can only speak of what you said with an HA checking you out, your being able to walk away and what Iíve known in my neck of the woods.

Iím not in an 81 area myself but Iíve never had a problem out at Ďraisers or events if Iíve happened to throw it on. Iíve never even thought about it pissing off clubbers though since it never has even come up. The music has come up because of it but thatís it. Maybe because itís only a t-shirt? Maybe the locals have a different perspective? I have been told by 1%ers that an undeserved MC patch or rocker set were arenas where club ďpersuasionĒ comes into play. Again, that is only from my experience and dudes Iíve shot the shit with. Iíve drawn my response from what Iíve seen and heard myself. Whatís an issue elsewhere might not be an issue here. Apparently thatís the case.

Iíd run with what MD says. If the possibility exists of an ass-kicking, why would you want to chance it? I just didnít see it that way as someone going down over a set without the standard MC references (MC / region / established club). Like I said, I would have thought BLS would have run the idea through some type of 1%er scrutiny at least since Iíve even seen kids smoking joints wearing BLS patches outside a local high school.

That could be a rude awakening for some punks some day I guess, huh?

Anyhow PW, you came across someone who knows for certain problems could come up. I guess you can thank the wife but the choice to wear Ďem rides with you. Literally.

MM

* I picked up a bit of wisdom also.

;)

Michigan Mike - December 31, 2004 07:27 PM (GMT)
Many Days last post had me thinking about a somewhat related topic.

How is support gear of one club perceived by other clubs? Iíve seen some of the big fourís sites, as well as others, and they all sell something.

I have seen club members essentially say it is nothing more than easy money and it doesnít mean jack to see someone wear support gear of their own club. In other words, it doesnít change the way they view anybody who wears it since an outsider is just that. An outsider. No matter what. He or she who wears the gear isnít viewed in any more of a favorable light than anyone else not affiliated with their circle.

That I get. Literally easy money.

Manyís post had me wondering if other clubs see a dude wearing support gear of another, if that individual is a target as well?

I donít remember support gear being prevalent before. I'm seeing more of it. Iíve always seen events (runs, Labor Day bashes, meets and such) thrown by clubs that had shirts and such made up and even had the sponsors on the back (support clubs, vendors, etcÖ). But having a specific support shirt on from a specific club, that thought just had me wondering about repercussions as well. I know itís not a patch problem but in a way it shows an affiliation by support I guess.

Never thought it too much before but I did win a sweat shirt and t-shirt from a raffle ticket or something at a swap meet thrown by a club a ways back. As is the case with most of my crap, I throw one on occasionally in my rotation and know enough to not frequent runs or events and show disrespect somehow. Iím there to enjoy the damn thing.

Anyhow, Many, or anybody else for that matter, what have you come across as far as support gear opinions? I could see a club making a statement by bruising up a supporter of another club but I donít know for sure. It might bring more of a hassle than itís worth. Anyone hear of incidents like this or have a relevant viewpoint?

Thanks & Ride Safe,
MM

** Enjoy the New Year **

ManyDays - January 1, 2005 02:31 PM (GMT)
Ahh, support gear. Well I've been floored by that shit recently. In Florida the "O" and the "WL" wearing one another's support shirts this past summer. How amazing is that?!?!?!

I really don't know about civilians. I'm not a civilian rider but I gotta figure most of 'em don't even think about wearing support shit. The majority of civilians don't even have a clue about our world anyway. As for me, I don't give a damn what anyone wears as long as it ain't something akin to my rag.

Everyone knows there are freakin' assholes everywhere. No matter what ya wear ya run the risk of being acosted by a verifiable asshole regardless of who he may or may not ride with. But I have to clarify my statement about the music piece patch tee. If you're running in the "circle" you'd be pushin' your luck (asshole syndrome). If you're not hangin' in places that would put you in the heart of it all then what's to worry about? Nothing. Probably.

The real deal is that if you're going to hang around us, learn and pay attention and behave appropriately. I"m sorry I can't explain what "appropriately" means. I've been a patchholder for decades and I still find myself "appropriately" lost (that asshole syndrome again).

Loco - January 4, 2005 10:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ManyDays @ Dec 30 2004, 07:53 PM)
Well, as your luck would have it the HA aren't the only 1%'ers.  I can tell you with certainty there is at least one percenter club that would NOT accept that patch and it has everything to do with being a piece patch, regardless of it being void of the 'MC' designator or region rocker.  Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around NYC or the 81.  There are a number of 1% support clubs that do what is expected of them without feeling the need to check on the status of that piece patch.  If THEY make a mistake you are the only one who will suffer from that mistake, not them. The bottom line here is that if you "think" it could be troublesome for you and you don't want "troublesome" or can't handle "trublesome" then leave it alone. By the same token, if you want to walk around with 1,000 dollar bills hanging out of your pocket, daring someone to try and take 'em away from you; well you can do that too. 

If 3 lone Pagans happened to spot you with that patch in some bar you'd wish it were 1,000 dollar bills you were flaunting.  But they don't have to be Pagans.  They could be from any 1% club.

I live in California and we have 3 dominate 1% clubs here and 2 of them would definately educate anyone trying to fly that patch.

I know a few 1%ers and they are very serious about thier colors and those who try and fly colors that aren't recognized or earned.

Keep the rubber side down.

Loco
Orange County, CA....

Loco - January 4, 2005 11:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Michigan Mike @ Dec 31 2004, 07:27 PM)
Many Days last post had me thinking about a somewhat related topic.

How is support gear of one club perceived by other clubs? Iíve seen some of the big fourís sites, as well as others, and they all sell something.

I have seen club members essentially say it is nothing more than easy money and it doesnít mean jack to see someone wear support gear of their own club. In other words, it doesnít change the way they view anybody who wears it since an outsider is just that. An outsider. No matter what. He or she who wears the gear isnít viewed in any more of a favorable light than anyone else not affiliated with their circle.

That I get. Literally easy money.

Manyís post had me wondering if other clubs see a dude wearing support gear of another, if that individual is a target as well?

I donít remember support gear being prevalent before. I'm seeing more of it. Iíve always seen events (runs, Labor Day bashes, meets and such) thrown by clubs that had shirts and such made up and even had the sponsors on the back (support clubs, vendors, etcÖ). But having a specific support shirt on from a specific club, that thought just had me wondering about repercussions as well. I know itís not a patch problem but in a way it shows an affiliation by support I guess.

Never thought it too much before but I did win a sweat shirt and t-shirt from a raffle ticket or something at a swap meet thrown by a club a ways back. As is the case with most of my crap, I throw one on occasionally in my rotation and know enough to not frequent runs or events and show disrespect somehow. Iím there to enjoy the damn thing.

Anyhow, Many, or anybody else for that matter, what have you come across as far as support gear opinions? I could see a club making a statement by bruising up a supporter of another club but I donít know for sure. It might bring more of a hassle than itís worth. Anyone hear of incidents like this or have a relevant viewpoint?

Thanks & Ride Safe,
MM

** Enjoy the New Year **

It depends upon where you are. A Compadre of mine told me, always know where you ride. That's damn right. I have heard of folks wearing rival support wear in certain places and getting smacked around a bit but never seen it. I ride in a state that has your "Local 81", "Green Nation" and the "Black & White" with many of thier support clubs cruising. This is just in Southern, CA...Personally, I get alone with most 1%ers because I learned to be cool and respectful as an independant.

In most cases, civilians are left alone but then again there are different areas with different5 perspectives. Again, know where you ride and like another here said, asshole syndrome is very real and that is the key. It's really up to an individual.

Loco...[SIZE=7][COLOR=blue]


UnforgivenSon - January 9, 2005 02:49 AM (GMT)
WTF? You guys are jokin right?

Loco - January 10, 2005 09:52 PM (GMT)
No joke at all. The media does dramatize certain conflicts and most of the time they are wrong in thier "selective reportings" but where I ride (California), colors are serious business.

With that in mind, I wear a leather vest with patches that I have earned in the Department of Forestry and the CCC (wildland fire fighter) and a couple of other odd patches that are on the front along with a select few run pins. I wear no patches on the back of my vest or jacket out of respect for the M/C's in my State.

There are many internet riding clubs like the Silent Skulls M/C and the like but those patches are bought and not earned and in the wrong place, you will get educated the hard way. The black label society back patch is cool but it's not worth the hassle if you ride and hangout in the inner circle of the Biker World. As for support gear, most folks (civillians) are left alone with that regard. There are some instances where a hassle has and will occur but for the most part, support gear is pretty much overlooked.

Loco..
OC California...

UnforgivenSon - January 11, 2005 03:38 AM (GMT)
That was sarcasim, never mind. Good Luck........

Loco - January 11, 2005 05:29 PM (GMT)
Wasn't sure. Either way, just trying to give folks some heads up so that they don't find themselves in a situation they don't want nor could they deal with.

Take it easy and keep the rubber side up.

Loco...

Witchywoman - January 12, 2005 08:01 PM (GMT)
Been out here in these Flawida Swamps a long time now...only support shirts in dis ol' Witch's saddle bags is B&W...I say let him just wear it and see what happens.... B)


FREE THE LOUNGE LIZARDS!

Witchywoman

Loco - January 12, 2005 11:30 PM (GMT)
I agree Witchywoman, some folks need to find out for themselves.

Take it easy.

Loco...

outathemist - January 15, 2005 05:28 PM (GMT)
I'm sure the first line that one would definitetly not want to cross would be Copyright Infringement. Most Clubs Copyright their logos. While Copyright Infringement is illegal there may be those who find the legal system too slow for their liking and who can blame them?

On the otherhand patch enforcement can be stretched to the point where it becomes a bully factor and worse yet Oppressive Law Enforcement has played on patch sensitivities to divide us.

The smart and the elite will pull their underlings under their wings and their underlings will likewise do the same ("wings" does not ref any particular club) .

Every army needs it's Privates and not everyone is General material.





Outathemist comes the Gray Ghost

TRIGGER - January 16, 2005 01:16 AM (GMT)
BOYCOT Wicked Jester Inc~~~the asses are offering a tee shirt in thier catalogs, on-line and in tat rags::black shirt, white diamond outline; "1%" in the diamond. TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

Loco - January 19, 2005 10:15 PM (GMT)
Is that right? Well then to those who purchase such items and want to look the part (wannabe's) then go head on. If you are out cruising on your credit glide on Sundays to the local watering hole and dress like a 1%er then perhaps you are safe. I can only speak about Cali and what I have learned from my 25 years of riding in a State with 3 well known clubs and thier many supporters and it's best just to not go there.

To another in this listing, patch patroling is not the norm really for 1%ers because they don't have the time but like another said in this listing, in the wrong watering hole or run and folks are spotted, then they best back up that patch. Many civillians do not understand or know the difference and they should for everyone's sake. I know many don't like it but that's just the way it is. The AMA went there and many 1%ers adopted it AS THIER BADGE and live by it. To the casual cruiser going through midlife crisis on his brand new Harley wanting to look the part, good luck.

Like one brother said "You don't go around dressing like a cop do ya?"

Loco
California...

Loco - January 19, 2005 10:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TRIGGER @ Jan 16 2005, 01:16 AM)
BOYCOT Wicked Jester Inc~~~the asses are offering a tee shirt in thier catalogs, on-line and in tat rags::black shirt, white diamond outline; "1%" in the diamond. TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

Checked it out and did not see what you described here...

R-East Coast - January 23, 2005 06:29 PM (GMT)
Bottom line people, if you want to be, then do it. Don't talk about, just do it!
1%ers are real. I do not fly a patch anymore but, I will always be a 1%er.
The differance is ITCB. You sidewalk boys and newbes need to understand one
thing and that is, Would you die for you country? 1%ers would die for their patch
and their brothers. I see it all the time the kissasses who want to be somebody by
wearing all the support gear for their local powers to be then go for it but,
understand this you play with fire, sooner or later you get burned!

Black & White forever - January 25, 2005 12:23 AM (GMT)
The Hells angel are not the only 1%er club,and the real black and white club at this time is not offended by the BLS. But these guys who wear a BLS shirt should be be respectfull or shit can happen,

Loco - January 25, 2005 11:07 PM (GMT)
The Outlaws and/or Mongols are cool with the BLS 3 piece patch on a citizens vest or levi jacket?

I ride in Califas and the black and white in SoCal are the Mongols M/C. I do not wear a back patch out of respect for the 1% Clubs.

dirtydog1369 - January 26, 2005 10:31 PM (GMT)
becareful what you wear I live in PA where there is a war with HA and Pagans I would not wear any support or any other shit like that in less you are willing to die for it . I know of guys who have gotten beat up or stabbed for it

dirtydog1369 - January 26, 2005 10:34 PM (GMT)
becareful what you wear I live in PA where there is a war with HA and Pagans I would not wear any support or any other shit like that in less you are willing to die for it . I know of guys who ahve gotten beat up or stabbed for it

Guest - January 27, 2005 02:24 PM (GMT)
I've been riding on/off since I was 14; i'm now 62. Just recently, last year, I joined a MC,Leathernecks MC Int'. Since we have no recognised chapter in Ok, I am what is considered a MAL; member-at-large. I wear these colors because they represent who and what I am, a Marine.
At the time I had no idea of the meaning of a 3 pc patch. Lately I have heard statements, just via talk forums, that these colors cannot be worn. I have never been approached directly. I've rode all over OK. AK and MO. I rode from OK to the Grand Canyon, south to Phoenix, Las Cruces, El Paso, Juarez and back to OK; without a problem. I say that because I went out on the road to ride, not to cause problems. I respect all bikers. I don't attend the rallys that 1% MC's put on, however, the Bandidos had a Toys for Tots run I would like to have gone on.
Is there anything I should do other than mind my own business?

Loco - January 27, 2005 06:34 PM (GMT)
Well I wear my own leather vest but with the patches I earned with sweat and blood from being in the forrest service many moons ago (wildland firefighter) and a couple of other small non affiliated biker patches. I do not wear any patches on the back nor do I wear support gear of any club (nuetral). Some say that normal joe's (citizens) like myself can't be real friends with 1%ers because I'm not thier Brother (in the Club, committed as they are) but that's BULLSHIT in my case.

I have a 1%er compadre who lives 2 doors down and we hang out together either in my garage or his and have a few cold ones and work on our bikes together. Hell he helped me tune up, lower and replace the springs on my 98 FXD. He even scored me some FXDWG mini apes for it at no cost. Just a beer and some carne asada on the grill and some tunes while the kids play and we wrench.

Now to your situation: The Bandidos MC are known to agressively push the AMA patch on rider clubs or non affiliated MC's in Texas...The red and gold is thier colors (That of the Marines too) and they will agressively educate anyone or any club sporting them other than thier support clubs. I also know that some clubs that support the Marines (Vietnam Vets) as MC's are sanctioned by the Bandidos and other clubs. All I can say Compadre is know where you ride and keep the rubber side down.

Loco
California...

Guest - January 28, 2005 10:28 PM (GMT)
Thanks for the feedback.

Curious - February 11, 2005 10:10 PM (GMT)
If I may ask, I know this is not a 3 piece patch but I am curious how a BACA patch is accepted? Are there issues with any clubs or areas?

Respects...

ManyDays - February 14, 2005 12:09 AM (GMT)
I don't know of any club that has ever had an issue with BACA. Nada. None. It's mostly individuals that create problems where there are no problems. Still, for the most part one can fly a BACA patch and feel secure in doing so.

Sheik - February 14, 2005 06:00 PM (GMT)
Couple of links to BLS

http://www.zakkwylde.com/357/index.html

http://homepage.mac.com/scottwebs/PhotoAlbum13.html

Those two links were sent to me by a female friend who appears on both sites.

Trainer - February 14, 2005 10:32 PM (GMT)
Good looking pics. Let me guess; is it Felicia?

Sheik - February 15, 2005 12:41 AM (GMT)
Yep, Felicia and her hubby spent some time with me in Vegas last month during the AVN awards. I took this pic of her with Lemmy Kilmeister from Motorhead at a private party. She sure gets around dont she? *lol*

http://rs192.securehostserver.com/~kathlee...56-Img_0297.JPG

And this pic is a couple of local ladies from Toronto with me.

http://rs192.securehostserver.com/~kathlee...91-Img_0282.JPG

Sorry for the black out but I dont want my pic all over the net if you know what I mean.

Trainer - February 15, 2005 01:50 PM (GMT)
Black out? I didn't notice.

Gasmonkey - February 15, 2005 08:36 PM (GMT)
I am not sure any 1% club would take offence unless you are behaving or are located in an area that would lead others to mistake you for a 1% member.

As far as T's with 1% icons then this is just plain out of order. Many many clubs will get pissed off about that one. How will they know? well you would be suprised how many know each other and a new face ALWAYS raises suspicion.

At the end of the day it down to common sense. If you just want to wear any lookalike colors to the mall then its probably ok, wear the same gear to a venue where club members a likely to be then watch out. Even in my own clubhouse we had several other clubs in for our anniversery, these included 81 as well as many others, My laces came undone on my redwing boots (high leg type) I started to do them up when one of the visiting clubs noticed the redwing logo on thr boots, "WTF is that man" he asked (he was smiling) I showed him the logo and all was well. Now I definately would not get away with wearing a deathshead and my club get on well with most others, how would a total non club member get on ? poorly I would suggest.

For those that say they wil wear what they wish where they wish then so be it. Stick on a cops uniform and hang around a few street corners and see what happens!

Those in 1% clubs have earned the right to wear the colors and other insignia. If you earned it, wear it, if you want to pretend just dont wear it where the real thing can see it.

Respect and best wishes to those who have earned it.
Gasmonkey

dennis - February 17, 2005 12:35 AM (GMT)
i cant believe people actually let these groups run there lives
i grew up in a biker family...i can still remember my fathers shovelhead motor rocking back and forth on the kitchen table i was 6 years old
back then people fought for what they believed in
i say wear the fuckin thing
dont let people run your life
i would but thats just me




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