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 MST: To Be Free From Pasts and Shadows [REVIEWS], Reviews for the MST go here.
Amarth
Posted: Apr 25 2012, 06:02 PM


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To me it all certainly looked manipulation, though I don't think author meant it as such. I mean, she certainly seems to play on Legolas's emotions, e.g. by browbeating him with his supposed "ungratefulness" of not accepting Aragorn's love. Then, when he leaves in an emotionally vulnerable state, Aragorn pops up and delivers a passionate speech. It was an awfully convenient coincidence that he appeared just then, don't you think?

Oh, she is a manipulative bitch here. I meant "she isn't manipulative, but isn't really a hundred percent goody-two-shoes either" in canon.


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for if you lay hands upon the root
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If Voldemort kills us, we turn into sparkly vampires. Can we panic NOW?

Sincerely, Ron"


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Caranthol
Posted: Apr 25 2012, 07:51 PM


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That's very true, at least if by 'canon' you mean LotR and Silmarillion. From what I have read, Tolkien Sueified Galadriel to a degree in his latest writings, e.g. airbrushing her motivations to go to Middle-Earth. In one of those versions, she didn't even join the rebellion of Noldor but ,IIRC, actually fought against them in Alqualond. As she appears in LotR, however, she certainly isn't all angelic. And that's actually a more interesting version than the later one.


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Amarth
Posted: Apr 27 2012, 02:24 PM


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That's very true, at least if by 'canon' you mean LotR and Silmarillion. From what I have read, Tolkien Sueified Galadriel to a degree in his latest writings, e.g. airbrushing her motivations to go to Middle-Earth. In one of those versions, she didn't even join the rebellion of Noldor but ,IIRC, actually fought against them in Alqualond. As she appears in LotR, however, she certainly isn't all angelic. And that's actually a more interesting version than the later one.

Which would make no sense. Why would she follow them later, if she fought them? Particularly if it's going along with Celeborn=Teleri of Alqualond. She would have no motivation to go to ME or stay there after War of Wrath.

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This is the end...

Yay! dancing6.gif

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but that's about it. I've already begun trying to write a sequel,

NOOOOOOOOOO!
If there is no point in contiuning the fic proper, why make a sequel to it?

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he was unaccustomed to

Kraut: ...starring in a sappy gay romance.

As opposed to starring in hardcore gay porn.

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Ktchen (sarcastically): Tell that to Aragorn. The man certainly doesn't seem to be attracted to your personality.

Come to think of it, what is Aragorn attracted to? No one looks good emaciated.

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He smiled a smile that was formerly something broken and rusty from disuse,

Ktchen: ...until he found it lying in the garage corner and had it fixed in a repair shop.

laugh.gif

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Kraut: He must have a Master's degree in self-contradiction.

As seen in many instances before in this fic, such as when he swears to protect Legolas and then lets Boromir do as he pleases with him...

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Faramir (annoyed): How many times has that dialogue tag been used, anyway? Seriously, it is not a synonym for 'said'!
Eowyn: Well, it would not be half as jarring if someone really kept those vows for once.

And one would think that people of ME would know better than to vow about everything and anything...

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Kraut: 'Cause he believed in positive thinking.

And benzodiazepines.

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Ktchen: ..golden retriever at a breed show, judging from the way Tyger describes it.

laugh.gif True.

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You have no power here, you have no power over me,

Aragorn: I'm the future King of Men, not Goblin King. Childhood rhymes won't work on me...Well, they wouldn't work on me if I was in character.

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If you so much as breathe in his presence in a way that is not to his liking, I will impale you with this,

I wonder if she's putting in all the innuendo on purpose, or she just soaked up the terminology from other slashfics and is now using it subconsciously?

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'If you are to throw your heart away to the whore, what of the Evenstar? Is she to fade from a broken heart, wasted on an unworthy man who gave into his own lust for pretty whores?'

FINALLY. I thought author was just going to ignore her existence.

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Kraut (raising his eyebrows): That's actually a very good question.
Pippin: Yes, it is. But isn't it pathetic how it's always the villains who make most sense in this fic?

Yes, dammit!

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When Elrond had asked him to accept the task of freeing Legolas from his enslavement, Aragorn knew his foster father was not expecting Aragorn to fall in such a deep love with the elf.

Kraut: Maybe because he had no idea that Tyger would mangle the canon and turn creep!Aragorn into a bisexual.

But manipulative!Galadriel made it sound as if though she and Elrond were grooming Aragorn to be Legolas' "saviour" and indulge their gay romance fantasies. So he should have expected this.

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The people of Gondor would never accept a bonding between two males. There would be no heir to the throne.

Faramir: Which two facts make Aragorn becoming a king both impossible and pointless.

I really hope this isn't supposed to be an excuse for MPREG.

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Mouth (laughing): I don't care about what anyone says; this would actually be an awesome movie scene!
Kraut (movie trailer): 'Gimli And The Avenging Steps Of Doom', coming to your nearest theatre next week!

nodding.gif It would be awesome.
(Note to self: Must rein in Inner Noldor Fangirl and write at least one Awesome!Gimli fic for massive prompt challenge I was crazy enough to enter.)

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Eowyn: I hate say this, but even seeing the awful attempt at comedy, Gimli is quite in character.

nodding.gif And the way he declares it is great too. I was almost willing to be more forgiving because she does Gimli well. Almost.

Great MST! Is this the last one or is there an epilogue?


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"I dance the dance of the fool
and pray you find me mad
for if you lay hands upon the root
you'll know me, without illusion
and find me guilty of the truth."
-Malkav's Words

"LEGOLAS! YOU ARE HEIR TO THE THRONE OF MIRKWOOD! YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE YOUR WAY WITH RANDOM GIRLS IN CLOSETS!"-Glorfindel, "Never Leave Fanfiction Lying Around" by crazyroninchic

"Dear Harry,

If Voldemort kills us, we turn into sparkly vampires. Can we panic NOW?

Sincerely, Ron"


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Caranthol
Posted: Apr 27 2012, 06:00 PM


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Which would make no sense. Why would she follow them later, if she fought them? Particularly if it's going along with Celeborn=Teleri of Alqualond. She would have no motivation to go to ME or stay there after War of Wrath.


Well, this was in the Unfinished Tales. Since I don't have that book anymore, I can't really remember if she really had any motivation other than going with Celeborn. IIRC, she also desired to share the fate of her relatives of the House of Finarfin (who didn't take part in the Kinslaying?). I don't remember why Celeborn chose to go to Middle-Earth. Plus, in the very latest version Galadriel wasn't even under the ban of the Exiles; she remained in Middle-Earth purely out of a sense of duty to fight Sauron. In any case, it's much more incoherent than the LotR/Silmarillion version.

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As opposed to starring in hardcore gay porn.


After this and many other similar fics he should be a pro in that.

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Come to think of it, what is Aragorn attracted to? No one looks good emaciated.


By now I've come to the conclusion that he's really a narcissist, whatever Tyger tries to portray him as. Maybe he gets his kicks of being in control, and Legolas is the perfect object.

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And one would think that people of ME would know better than to vow about everything and anything...


True, seeing how vows are rather serious business in there.

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I wonder if she's putting in all the innuendo on purpose, or she just soaked up the terminology from other slashfics and is now using it subconsciously?


I dunno. But you have to admit that the fic is a lot funnier if you imagine every line being a double entendre.

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But manipulative!Galadriel made it sound as if though she and Elrond were grooming Aragorn to be Legolas' "saviour" and indulge their gay romance fantasies. So he should have expected this.


Well, seeing how "well" his other master plans are thought out in this fic it's really no wonder a detail or two might have slipped by him.

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FINALLY. I thought author was just going to ignore her existence.


As much as I put my sporkers ragging on the fic, I actually have to give Tyger credit in that regard. See, besides this one and the sequel, she also wrote a sort of prequel/tie-in from Faramir's POV. In that one it's revealed that Aragorn chooses Arwen in the end.

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I really hope this isn't supposed to be an excuse for MPREG.


*Shudders at the thought* Thankfully, it's not.

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And the way he declares it is great too. I was almost willing to be more forgiving because she does Gimli well. Almost.


Me too. My forgiveness, however, vanished when I saw that Gimli becomes next to nonexistent in the sequel. He can't have more than five lines in all the six chapters. It's a shame, really, since because of that Tyger's worst qualities as a writer shine even clearer.

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Great MST! Is this the last one or is there an epilogue?


There's an epilogue, too. I will do the sequel after that's finished. However, I will leave the prequel with Faramir alone. That's because it is actually of much better quality than the others, and now that Tyger has deleted f-ing everything I can't even access it (didn't copy it onto my PC like I did with the others).


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Strahlend nun offen steht mir die Strae.
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Amarth
Posted: Apr 29 2012, 03:43 AM


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AUTHOR'S NOTES:
THANKS TO:
REVIEWS:
Aislynn Crowdaughter; Aiya-120; Alex; angelkat2502; BELEN; Bethuviel; bLuEh3aRtS; Conspiracy Bug Girl; Draco's Daughter; Echoing Darkness; the Elven Archer of Rivendell; Erik's Sweet Intoxication; Evii; Gabriel of Dreams-Yume Chan; Gord and V; hoshi; Jenn; justme; Lady .R; Lichtblick; Lin; marblez; Maya Mithrandir; Mizuki hikari; nikkiling; Nitric acid; Rabbit of Iron; raincullen; RumourUnderOath; SaKuRa-MIna; Sam; smoothNcreamy; StarLight9; Suicidal Black Butterfly; StellaPen; topspin; Trebez; Wah-Keetcha; Zoey the Wild Cat
AUTHOR ALERTS:
bLuEh3aRtS; Maya Mithrandir; raphaha; RumourUnderOath; SaKuRa-MIna; Suicidal Black Butterfly; StarLight9
FAVOURITE AUTHOR:
Aislynn Crowdaughter; bLuEh3aRtS; Evii; Gord and V; Maya Mithrandir; SaKuRa-MIna; Suicidal Black Butterfly; Trebez
FAVOURITE STORY:
Aislynn Crowdaughter; angelkat 2505; Echoing Darkness; Gord and V; Maya Mithrandir; Suicidal Black Butterfly; Trebez; trust you.
STORY ALERTS:
Bethuviel; Echoing Darkness; FluffiBunni82; happycabbage; Karone Evertree; Lichtblick; lizard13z; Maya Mithrandir; The Minor Fall; Pepleigh25; Trebez; Zoey the Wildcat

Thanks, Tyger, for providing me with the list of...ahem, the list. evilgrin.gif

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Ktchen: Except that there is not the slightest hint of this in any of Tolkien's writings. You call yourself a fan, yet blatantly disregard the source material?
Kraut: Remember, she's a slasher. If they can't invent any other excuse, they can always babble about some nonexistent 'subtext' or shit.

Except this is one case where subtext can't exist. There is nothing to hint at it. For goodness' sake, Elves of Mirkwood let Gollum run around. And they had to imprison Dwarves in cellar, which implies lack of actual prison.

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- as is the way with all cultures today.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, Tyger, but my people were never slavers. I'm sure there are other cultures that never did that either. (Inuits and Native Americans come to mind.) I'll thank you not to generalise everyone.

Besides, Elves have their shameful past. It's written in this big, fat book called "The Silmarillion". Maybe you could try skimming through it sometimes.

Besides, Tyger, if you wanted to discuss Sindarin slavery...wouldn't it have been better to write about slaves that actually suffered it, not the one that got away soon after his initiation? Or dedicate more to his life under the line of Stewards? (See, now you've got me writing innuendo too.)

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Let's say that every realm brought a few, but after the massive dectruction and loss of life, the elves (except maybe Thranduil, who knows?) were given a rude awakening - that life was sacred - every life,

Eowyn: Except, of course, those of the Orcs, or Trolls, or Wargs, or giant spiders et cetera et cetera.

Except that there wasn't nearly as much destruction and loss as in, you know, conflicts that ended in War of Wrath or Last Alliance. And Elves barely participated in War of the Ring.

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Thanks for your reviews and your questions, as I told you on LJ, they were always a pleasure.

She is on LJ? evilgrin.gif

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beginning to write again definitely rekindled the desire to continue this story...

Faramir (ominously, la fantasy novel prologue): And thus was an ancient evil, long thought of having perished, awakened again...

laugh.gif

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I'll just say it now, though - I kill him with two arrows, not three. Yes, I realize the inaccuracy

Inaccuracy indeed. For it wasn't two or three but many. Which kind of makes the last stand even more awesome.
Why do people prefer the movie again?

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All: WHAT?
Ktchen: But that would change the whole chain of events! I mean, wouldn't Legolas warn Frodo to whom he's supposedly so close?

rotflz.gif Since when has someone in this fic really bothered with someone else's well-being without being told to?
(Except Gimli. And maybe baby!Pippin.)

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Pippin (incredulously): What's this shit, anyway? 'Kill Bill: Arda Cut'?

Nah, that's too cool for this fic.

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Finally, as Legolas topped the hill he and his two companions had been struggling against, he saw him. Boromir stood, one hand on his sword, the other bringing the horn to his lips, emitting another desperate cry for aid.

Seriously, what's with all this innuendo?

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and he quickly reached for three arrows from his quiver and sent them simultaneously into the Uruk's chest.

So, he...threw all three of them at the same time and they landed perfectly in a limited area. Wow. Congratulations, Tyger, you make the Mumakil scene in RotK seem realistic.

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Three millennia of abuse and terror and pent up anger came out as he roared his aggression

Note the irony. He avenges his abuser against a member of one race that was never involved in his suffering. If I were Legolas finally snapping out of Stockholm Syndrome, I'd walk up to Uruk and ask "Can I join?"

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Ktchen: That it was actually quite good. All the exaggerated exploits and overblown description aside, it actually was dynamic and even a little exciting.

Yeah. If she made it clear that he fired the arrows and toned down the explanation of the sword, it would have been aptly epic.

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Perhaps he had truly lost all connection to his elven heritage, as elves were of the opinion that all life was sacred.

Not really.
I mean, normal and healthy Legolas has kill count competition with Gimli. Definitely not someone with remorse about killing.

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the pain coming to a crescendo,

Oh, and I hate incorrect use of musical terms. Crescendo is gradual rising, not the peak.

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Pippin (dumbfounded): First we are browbeaten how impossible it is without Aragorn becoming the king, and now it suddenly isn't? So, the whole bleedin' fic has been completely pointless?

wired.gif It appears so.

And this wasn't an epilogue. This was the last chapter. There is a difference.

Great job at surviving this!

ETA: So, Tyger disappeared from ff.net and livejournal in this year. Reasons?
There is a PPC mission. It mentions author threatening to delete everything if another negative review comes. Is that it?


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"I dance the dance of the fool
and pray you find me mad
for if you lay hands upon the root
you'll know me, without illusion
and find me guilty of the truth."
-Malkav's Words

"LEGOLAS! YOU ARE HEIR TO THE THRONE OF MIRKWOOD! YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE YOUR WAY WITH RANDOM GIRLS IN CLOSETS!"-Glorfindel, "Never Leave Fanfiction Lying Around" by crazyroninchic

"Dear Harry,

If Voldemort kills us, we turn into sparkly vampires. Can we panic NOW?

Sincerely, Ron"


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Caranthol
Posted: Apr 29 2012, 11:25 AM


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Except this is one case where subtext can't exist. There is nothing to hint at it. For goodness' sake, Elves of Mirkwood let Gollum run around. And they had to imprison Dwarves in cellar, which implies lack of actual prison.


*Sarcasm* Oh, but there are hints! See, in the real world most peoples have had some sort of slavery system, so the Elves must also have had one, never mind they are a fictional, non-human group in a fictional world. *End sarcasm*

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Inuits and Native Americans come to mind.


Actually, North American Indians often used captives as slaves and e.g. the Creek sided with Confederacy in the Civil War partly because the tribe owned black slaves. On the other hand, Indians never practised slavery in such a massive scale as the Confederates did.

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Inaccuracy indeed. For it wasn't two or three but many. Which kind of makes the last stand even more awesome.
Why do people prefer the movie again?


I dunno, maybe because they don't have to use their imaginations at all when watching the movies vs. reading the books.

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Since when has someone in this fic really bothered with someone else's well-being without being told to?


Good point, that one.

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Seriously, what's with all this innuendo?


LOL, yeah, there's enough phallic symbolism in this chapter alone to fill a Freudian psychology textbook.

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Note the irony. He avenges his abuser against a member of one race that was never involved in his suffering.


*Slaps himself* Oh my, how could I miss that? Well, I don't know about joining the Uruks, but one would think someone who has hated Men for millennia wouldn't be so eager to avenge one of them, especially someone with whom he had a personal score to settle.

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Yeah. If she made it clear that he fired the arrows and toned down the explanation of the sword, it would have been aptly epic.


Yet one sad example of how people can waste their talents. It's cringeworthy how Tyger obviously can do characterization (see Gimli) and action scenes if she wants, but she throws it all away for the sadistic slash shit.

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I mean, normal and healthy Legolas has kill count competition with Gimli. Definitely not someone with remorse about killing.


Yup. Now it's obvious the author was mixing the Elves from Eragon up with Tolkien's Eldar.

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Great job at surviving this!


There's the sequel still to power through. The chapters are mercifully short, however, so it will be a breeze compared to this.

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ETA: So, Tyger disappeared from ff.net and livejournal in this year. Reasons?
There is a PPC mission. It mentions author threatening to delete everything if another negative review comes. Is that it?


Maybe. Also, she has an Author's Note in the Chapter 6 of the sequel where she says she might do that, citing "personal and privacy reasons".

Thanks for the review!


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Posted: Apr 30 2012, 03:40 PM


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Congratulations for getting to the end of this shitfest, Caranthol! BowDown.gif BowDown.gif BowDown.gif Due to a mix of school and computer problems, I couldn't review your updates one by one, but I've caught up at last, and I can safely say you and your sporkers stayed funny 'til the end. In fact, you were a lot funnier than the PPC mission Amarth linked to.


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Posted: May 2 2012, 04:48 PM


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Thanks, Jules! This one must be the longest MST I have done this far, and I have to admit it started to feel like a chore at some point. By the Chapter 15 or so it felt a bit hard to invent anything funny. Nice to see, though, that you enjoyed the MST. It got better in the end, however. There was so much idiocy to mock in the last chapters. I'll do the sequel next, but the first chapter is so dull I have some difficulties inventing anything funny. When I'm done with Tyger's fics, I think I'll choose something shorter and lighter for my next MST.


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Strahlend nun offen steht mir die Strae.
Im Feuer mich baden!"
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I'll do the sequel next, but the first chapter is so dull I have some difficulties inventing anything funny.


I'm sure you'll be able to make something good out of it.

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When I'm done with Tyger's fics, I think I'll choose something shorter and lighter for my next MST.


Sounds like a plan. You and your sporkers will definitely need a break.


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