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Mercurius of Cappadocia
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Marshmallow
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Doesn't Tree live in Florida?



Coincidence?
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stoicblitzer
Posted: May 28 2012, 07:05 AM


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what the ######?

could have been PCP.

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Sir Lambert of Lancs
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das zombies are coming!!!!! get the shotguns!!!
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Kronos
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wt f? now lets say for a moment this is true which seems unlikely. In what kind of a ######ed up country do you get shot by police while blatantly being unarmed?

Would be awesome if it was Zombies though ninja.gif

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Sir Lambert of Lancs
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QUOTE (Kronos @ May 28 2012, 08:27 PM)
wt f? now lets say for a moment this is true which seems unlikely. In what kind of a ######ed up country do you get shot by police while blatantly being unarmed?

Would be awesome if it was Zombies though ninja.gif

are you seriously going to complain about this guy being shot when he was unarmed but causing bodily harm to another human being? oh dont forget that after he was shot he continued to cause harm to an individual...........i guarantee that if had been you getting your face chewed on that you wouldn't give a piss if the guy got shot...........
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QUOTE (Kronos @ May 28 2012, 03:27 PM)
In what kind of a ######ed up country do you get shot by police while blatantly being unarmed?

i don't think anybody will miss him.
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did Florida stop using courts in favour of summary executions?

Committing murder because somebody acts nuts is not reasonable behaviour, if he wasn't in a uniform he'd be in a cell before you could find out what his name was.

'I don't think anybody will miss him' Makes mah blood boil.
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It's not like they just walked up to him and shot him. They probably told him to cease devouring that man's eyeballs or something along those lines. Apparently he growled and continued eating the man's face. I guess they could have tried to tase him or some other non-fatal technique. I read that something similar happened in March in the same place and an officer had her arm broken by some drugged up psycho while he was trying to be restrained by like 8 cops. In any case, what that guy was doing was pretty ######ing grisly so I probably would have done the same thing in that cop's shoes.
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Sir Lambert of Lancs
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QUOTE (Deimos @ May 29 2012, 12:02 AM)
did Florida stop using courts in favour of summary executions?

Committing murder because somebody acts nuts is not reasonable behaviour, if he wasn't in a uniform he'd be in a cell before you could find out what his name was.

'I don't think anybody will miss him' Makes mah blood boil.

oh get off of what ever bullshit high horse your on and trying to make it seem it is something other than what it is. who said jack about it being ok because nobody would miss him, but then again your another self rightious pansy that would thank the person in uniform if he saved you
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Welcome to Copland USA. wink.gif

From Rodney King L.A. all the way to Stand Your Ground Florida.

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Mercurius of Cappadocia
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Insane, schizophrenic, on some crazy drug, or consensual cannibalism... seems like an abomination.

Does it deserve a trial? Sure... justice is blind. Whether or not justice would be served, is a variable in the equation.

I bet the cop acted more instinctively.... haunts me just reading about it. Can't imagine what it was like to be first on the scene. But, maybe the training manual does say to shoot when confronted by a man who won't stop eating another man's face.

haven't heard any back-story on this, and not sure I want to....
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QUOTE (Sir Lambert of Lancs @ May 28 2012, 10:02 PM)
QUOTE (Kronos @ May 28 2012, 08:27 PM)
wt f? now lets say for a moment this is true which seems unlikely. In what kind of a ######ed up country do you get shot by police while blatantly being unarmed?

Would be awesome if it was Zombies though  ninja.gif

are you seriously going to complain about this guy being shot when he was unarmed but causing bodily harm to another human being? oh dont forget that after he was shot he continued to cause harm to an individual...........i guarantee that if had been you getting your face chewed on that you wouldn't give a piss if the guy got shot...........

Yes, yes I am. Here in the civilized world we use only reasonable force to stop criminals and let the courts handle sentencing. Thankfully we don't let the victims handle sentencing otherwise I could see a dramatic increase in the sale of gas chambers and torture implements in the near future.

What of the rights of the perpetrator? He has just as many human rights as the victim and one can assure you that if oneself had been getting eaten one would be most perturbed to note that another's life had been taken when in the time it took for maybe one or two bites the officers could of got over there and restrained the cannibal. Where's your compassion for someone who was probably mentally ill and needed professional help? A mans life is worth a small bit of someone elses face don't you agree?

I have principles and integrity hence it would not matter which side I found myself on.

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who said jack about it being ok because nobody would miss him


QUOTE (stoicblitzer @ May 28 2012, 10:22 PM)
i don't think anybody will miss him.


Whats next, shoplifters being shot because the Police can't be bothered to chase them?
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Sir Lambert of Lancs
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thanks for pointing out that blitz made the comment, i admit i did over look it some how.

interesting points and view, i will have to give it some thought. as for compassion, i wont deny that i am lacking it more and more ( for certain individuals) as i see how people act in this "civilized" world. in fact how do you know this person was mentally ill? its an interesting assumption to make considering there are other plausible reasons for his actions as well.

i am sure that police officer also has principles and integrity otherwise he would not be in that job.
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I wouldn't be so sure, a lot of people I know who join the force, join because they're weak individuals lacking moral fiber and backbone and crave the supposed power. Not to say all police are like that, but a noticeable percentage and just because an individual is a Policeman/Fireman/Doctor/Soldier/President does not mean they're a good one like any profession. The man maketh the uniform, not the uniform maketh the man.
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Have to agree with K there.

Really ######s me off how an absoulte Prick one day is a hero the next for putting on a uniform. The person is the same there still a prick and i want them to die first, and let the nice guys live. Support or hate people on an individual basis.


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Sir Lambert of Lancs
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QUOTE (Kronos @ May 29 2012, 05:55 PM)
I wouldn't be so sure, a lot of people I know who join the force, join because they're weak individuals lacking moral fiber and backbone and crave the supposed power. Not to say all police are like that, but a noticeable percentage and just because an individual is a Policeman/Fireman/Doctor/Soldier/President does not mean they're a good one like any profession. The man maketh the uniform, not the uniform maketh the man.

good point, i guess i look at the other reason first
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QUOTE (Kronos @ May 29 2012, 05:38 PM)
Yes, yes I am. Here in the civilized world we use only reasonable force to stop criminals and let the courts handle sentencing.

Not really. Jean Charles de Menezes, shot six times in the head by UK police, for taking the London tube.

You weren't there at this crime scene to make the judgement call whether or not the victim's life was in imminent danger, which is when deadly force becomes "reasonable". That's the cop's job, in the UK as well as in the US.

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how an absoulte Prick one day is a hero the next for putting on a uniform. The person is the same there still a prick

Possibly, though training and esprit de corps can make a difference. People you're around will have an effect on you anyway, for better or worse. gc-smash.gif
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QUOTE (Mercurius of Cappadocia @ May 29 2012, 05:38 AM)
Insane, schizophrenic, on some crazy drug, or consensual cannibalism... seems like an abomination.

Does it deserve a trial? Sure... justice is blind. Whether or not justice would be served, is a variable in the equation.

I bet the cop acted more instinctively.... haunts me just reading about it. Can't imagine what it was like to be first on the scene. But, maybe the training manual does say to shoot when confronted by a man who won't stop eating another man's face.

haven't heard any back-story on this, and not sure I want to....

This.

I don't think he should have been murdered though, he should have been locked up in a laboratory somewhere. Much more humane.

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Not really. Jean Charles de Menezes, shot six times in the head by UK police, for taking the London tube.

Yeah but they thought he was a South American tewawist..

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Mercurius of Cappadocia
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No doubt the perp was clinically or temporarily insane, from a legal standpoint. Is eating a man's face off attempted murder, or just assault? Does it even qualify as assault with a deadly weapon?

Looks like they took down the video.... you didn't really see anything, but the position of the perp and victim may have been unreachable, safely, by the cops, which necessitated the shooting. The first shot, also, may have been in a non-lethal area... and didn't deter the guy from his meal.

Shock, sense of justice, or reasonable force... it seems like a potentially justifiable action in the name of public safety, humanity, or law.

Although I agree with the statement about the tendency for insecure wannabe bullies to join law enforcement to overcome their inadequately formed gonads.
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QUOTE (Sir Lambert of Lancs @ May 29 2012, 01:54 AM)
Whatever the circumstances,


I should of been more sensitive to the uniform fetishists, my sincerest apologies.

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You weren't there at this crime scene to make the judgement call whether or not the victim's life was in imminent danger, which is when deadly force becomes "reasonable". That's the cop's job, in the UK as well as in the US.


Chewing somebody's face off is highly unlikely to result in death, however gross it might seem. Putting multiple shoot to kill rounds into a suspected felon's body is almost certain to cause death. Maybe they were both on drugs & the survivor thought it'd be a cool thing to do, there are'numerous' cases of people on drugs carving up their own faces. Whatever, it's only liable to be mortal by blood loss or infection, neither likely in this case.

Granted, I'd have probably acted similarly to the policeman, though I'd of likely missed the guy. Big difference is I'd go to prison, he'll more than likely not.

Egalite my bottom.
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If I were there and had a gun... no idea why I'd have a gun, or why I'd be in Florida, or hanging out under on overpass.... but if that were to happen-- well, that is about the only good reason for gun sales in the US. I can't imagine risking my beautiful face by trying to arm-wrestle a cannibal if I were lethally armed.

Highly unlikely a jury would convict, or that I'd be charged, or that a prosecutor would take up the case, or that it wouldn't be pleaded into something small or dismissed.

"Free Mercy" T-shirts would populate the countryside for years to come... Winona Ryder would get caught stealing shoes while wearing a Free Mercy T, and the world would finally make sense.
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Does one never lose his or her humanity and therefore any claims to human rights? Is there no act that can cause someone to lose their humanity? cannibalism? genocide? Japanese/Nazi human experimentation? terrorism?
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Mercurius of Cappadocia
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The phrase "inalienable rights" suggests the answer is no.... In reality, we know that to be untrue. The phrase was written during a time of slavery, and we are ok with killing in the name of foreign policy, security, or etc. We did reaffirm that habeas corpus applies to those we imprison in the name of war, but then we stopped picking them up....

The world is grey, at best.
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For what it's worth I meant if I intervened in the officers position, it would not be in self-defence, if the law was to not convict me, the law was not applied.

I think an awful lot of people lose their claim to 'human rights' but I think also that society has 'rights,' and people other than the perpetrator of wrongs have rights which are not served by the suspension of those rights.

The principles of an egalitarian system are simple, a society wide implementation of 'do unto others as you would have done unto you.' When that principle is suspended for any reason, against any person it reveals the barbarism of the society unchanged. Distrust & discord result.

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Grey. that is my point exactly.
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"A police officer came over, told him several times to get off then climbed over the divider and got in front of him and said, 'Get off' but the guy just stood his head up like that with a piece of flesh in his mouth and growled."

if a cannibal is munching on a person's face, that cannibal should be allowed to "take a few more bites" and someone should risk their right to life in order not to deprive the cannibal of their inalienable right to life for the sake of society?
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http://www.news.com.au/world/naked-face-ea...i-1226374223070


Apparently under the influence of a drug called "Bath salts".



http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/29/w...-are-dangerous/

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QUOTE (Marshmallow @ May 30 2012, 05:11 AM)
http://www.news.com.au/world/naked-face-ea...i-1226374223070


Apparently under the influence of a drug called "Bath salts".



http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/29/w...-are-dangerous/

Reports however yesterday suggested Eugene was likely under the influence of the synthetic stimulant "bath salts" made with the active agent mephedrone, which produces an often aggressive, chaotic experience for users, coupled with intense hallucinations.




no exacly the trip id look for.
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QUOTE (stoicblitzer @ May 30 2012, 03:43 AM)
Grey. that is my point exactly.
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"A police officer came over, told him several times to get off then climbed over the divider and got in front of him and said, 'Get off' but the guy just stood his head up like that with a piece of flesh in his mouth and growled."

if a cannibal is munching on a person's face, that cannibal should be allowed to "take a few more bites" and someone should risk their right to life in order not to deprive the cannibal of their inalienable right to life for the sake of society?

That quote if anything shows how excessive the force used was. In the video you can see the location quite clearly. It's not too dissimilar from a fight you get most saturday nights in town centre's. In this country the officer would of physically restrained/stopped the bloke which would of entailed at most whacking him with a baton repeatedly. It's a shame when the Police are no longer a "Force", in this country they'd most likely swarm the cannibal and at most give him a good beating with a Truncheon which is usually non-fatal.
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Ian Thomlinson struck and killed by London police in 2009 for walking down the street. medievalcheers.gif medievalcheers.gif medievalcheers.gif

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/17/i...protest-coroner

This could be on the news soon too, as the officer is about to be put on trial.
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QUOTE (Kronos @ May 30 2012, 04:07 PM)
QUOTE (stoicblitzer @ May 30 2012, 03:43 AM)
Grey. that is my point exactly.
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"A police officer came over, told him several times to get off then climbed over the divider and got in front of him and said, 'Get off' but the guy just stood his head up like that with a piece of flesh in his mouth and growled."

if a cannibal is munching on a person's face, that cannibal should be allowed to "take a few more bites" and someone should risk their right to life in order not to deprive the cannibal of their inalienable right to life for the sake of society?

That quote if anything shows how excessive the force used was. In the video you can see the location quite clearly. It's not too dissimilar from a fight you get most saturday nights in town centre's. In this country the officer would of physically restrained/stopped the bloke which would of entailed at most whacking him with a baton repeatedly. It's a shame when the Police are no longer a "Force", in this country they'd most likely swarm the cannibal and at most give him a good beating with a Truncheon which is usually non-fatal.

From the video I can't tell how many officers were there but apparently it was just 1. In the time it would have taken for backup to arrive, the guy who was getting his face eaten may have objected to the officer standing around.

Since it took several shots to get him to stop, in retrospect, it was probably not a good idea for the officer to try and take him by himself. I'm sure if he had broken some bones with a baton, you would say he shouldn't have used a baton. batons always look bad on camera.
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Posted: May 30 2012, 10:13 PM


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No seriously... this ain't normal. The guy had a piece of flesh in his mouth and wasn't phased when a gun was being pointed at him (or so the article says)... Dis ain't normal.

He needed to be put in a lab and tested!
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Personally, I think he got what he deserved. Would it be any different if he'd been hyped up on meth? Sure, the perp has rights. Once you're told to stop 3-5 times, you've temporarily lost those rights and the cop has a decision to make. If he'd rushed the cop this would be a moot point...

If you act like an animal, you get treated like an animal. Regardless of mental illness, the cop had a decision to make.

Damn!! I can't believe I just took up for a pig...
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QUOTE (Brennus of Tintagel Castle @ May 31 2012, 12:54 AM)


If you act like an animal, you get treated like an animal.

If you act like a thug, you get treated like a thug?


Today a police officer threatened me in explicit terms with arranging city council, traffic police & rspca harassment should a van that belongs to somebody else that I've never been in, have no keys for, is not on my property & I have no idea of the contents or intent to use - move from it's current location over the weekend.


If I could I'd annotate my criminal record with 'Whilst under the influence, now teetotal to all intents & purposes.' Alas.
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seems like something is missing from your story, if you had nothing to do with the vehicle why were you interacting with the police officer?
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