Merry Christmas!!! Enjoy the new skin - The lush green of an undecorated Christmas tree. If there's any bugs let me know - I'll do my best to fix it. I know that the top menu's images are broken - they were broken in the original skin. D: Happy 5th Anniversary, Boktai! \o/

well since we went off-topic with the previous topic, we'll talk about the connection here.

anyway, did the official guide for Boktai DS ever clearly state that Boktai 3 and Boktai DS were in the same timeline (or different timeline).

Well I dunno.

However, evidence does lead me to believe that they are connected.

Well somewhat connected, Lunar Knights is the same timeline but alternate Universe right? because in Lunar Knights Timeline, Ratatosk isn't defeated, and neither is Vanargand. However in Boktai 3 you can clearly see Ratatosk and Vanargand die.

What?! When?! Ratatosk and Vanargand aren't even mentioned. All you can do is think one of them is somehow the said "Lord of Destruction".

It was said somewhere that Ratatosk was the Lord of Destruction.

It can't die because it doesn't live. It's an Eternal. The best you can do is seal it.

Lunar Knights never says who the Lord of Destruction was. Only Boktai 3 stated Ratatosk was aiming to become the Lord of Destruction. No concerete evidence in Lunar Knights has revealed if Ratatosk was it or not.

In the October '06 Play magazine that had a section on Lunar Knights, the interview with Kensuke Yoshitomi said that Boktai and Lunar Knights are not linked at all. Yoshitomi said to think of it as Zelda, where it's the same general aspect, but nothing that links (no pun intended) them together into one full-blown story. (And don't argue with the 'Zelda Timeline' theory, because not all of the games are linked)

Vanargand is only in LK as the sword, same with Jormungandr and Hel. The former two would be a major key in trying to link the two series: Vanargand and Jormungandr can only be sealed, so where the hell would they have gone? Lucian mentions that the Vanargand blade was excavated from 'lunar ruins' (obviously making reference to the paradise Mahoroba) but that still wouldn't explain what happened to the beast of destruction itself. Same with Jormungandr. If the Hunting Mansion is built over San Miguel, then there's clearly no Spiral Tower to speak of. So with that gone, wouldn't Jormungandr have been released?


As far as I know, no, the Boktai DS guide never stated the games were linked. I can not say for certain obviously, since I do not own the guide (despite how hard I tried to get it) and I don't speak/read Japanese.

It can't die because it doesn't live. It's an Eternal. The best you can do is seal it.

Immortals don't live either, and neither do undead, yet you can destroy em. Eternals are on an entire different level. Don't clump em together so loosely.

Also, I think he meant game wise for the "they're linked at all", as there are just way too many allusions towards boktai to discard any ideas for relevance there.

And who knows, maybe there's some unknown story about what happened to Jormy and Vanny that we don't know about? It'd be pretty darn cool to think they are the weaps~ but it is something we were never told about. And like Gemi said a while back, LK does screw around with the rules boktai had setup for the way Immortals and such work.

right now I'm leaning towards the idea that Boktai directly after Shinbok. for one, if Django was trapped in the seal, until he died and Ratatosk becomes the Lord of Destruction and releases Vanagard, then what happen to Vanagard. and also Trinity names his kid Django probably after the person he met in Shinbok through time travel (but then again Trinity might like that name).

It can't die because it doesn't live and isn't undead. It's an Eternal. The best you can do is seal it.

how about we just say an Eternal simply exist as an invincible god-like creature.

Honestly, this is pretty confusing.. but i still believe that after Trinity goes he asks Django & Otenko what happened to Ratatosk, Otenko tells him that they killed him, Trinity goes "WTF NO WAY YOU'RE LYING!!!! THERE'S NO WAY ANYONE CAN BEAT HIM!!!!" and he asks what happened to Vanargand, Otenko tells him he they defeated it, and Trinity does a similiar reaction like the last one, then he goes.. Woaaah.. so maybe you're really the legendary warrior?!?!?! etcetera etcetera... and it's possible that he goes back to his timeline through the same hole he came from! (it's never mentioned that it closed)
Though they should have given the timeline Trinity came from a better name. >.> Yeah.. calling it the future era is really creative.
Also.. not just Vanargand dissapeared.. but where the heck's the artificial dark sun that was supposed to be there? What.. did it also dissapear too without a trace? Oh and Hrevelgr & Nidhoggr's dissapearances i can understand a bit.. maybe they were guardians in the dark castle back when Ratatosk was ruling and the guild managed to kill them.

Maybe Vanargand is still on the moon? Even if he's not mentioned, he's still there, and maybe Ratatosk did something to stop him, after all, he was controlling him, (somewhat) and he could have stopped him.

It's possible, because if you look at the scene where Trinity explains what the future era is like, you can see Vanargand slowly turning the earth red in space, and Vanargand doesn't look like the type of monster that could fly so this could be right.
Vanargand probably causes destruction on earth all the way from the moon.