FFPJP rules, some revisions

Hi,

Some minor revisions to the rules :

Article 2 : For competitions reserved for players who are 11 years of age or less, they may use boules that weigh 600 grams and are 65mm in diameter providing they are made by an approved manufacturer

Article 5 : When playing areas are placed end to end, the end lines of the lanes, which are common to both playing areas, are classed as dead ball lines.

Article 6 : Where a prefabricated plastic circle is used, it must have an internal diameter of 50cms.

Article 9 : When on marked out playing areas, the jack crosses more than one lane immediately to the side of the lane in use, it is considered dead.

Article 19 : The boule is dead, having completely crossed the boundary of the allotted playing area, or the dead ball line, that is to say, when it is situated entirely beyond the boundary when viewed from directly above. The same applies when, on marked terrains, the boule completely crosses more than one of the lanes alongside the lane in use.

Article 32 : even in league competitions, teams more than one hour late are disqualified. (this last modification does not seem to be included on Britishpetanque)

The rules original article can be found here
http://www.petanque.fr/disposfedeessentielles.htm (REGLEMENT DE JEU)

Philippe

thanks for posting the summary Phillipe, i read some of the full new rules, but didnt see some of the changes, apart from the circle.

and the ruling about the team being 1 hr late is missing from the English translation.


on a side matter, i was in Spain playing in a competition other weekend.

something they did there, all teams, was if you throw the cochonet and its illegal, the other team throws it, and its 1 throw each until the cochonet is legal.
is this a common thing around or not?

Hi Philippe.
The rules you are quoting from are off a French website and not the official International site (FIPJP).

Article 32 of the official international rules states:

Article 32 – Arrivée des joueurs retardataires
Si, après le début d’une mène, le joueur absent se présente, il ne participe pas à cette mène. Il est admis dans le jeu seulement à partir de la mène suivante.

Si le joueur absent se présente plus d’une heure après le début d’une partie, il perd tout droit de participer à celle-ci.

Si son ou ses coéquipiers gagnent cette partie, il pourra participer à celle qui suit, sous réserve que l’équipe soit nominativement inscrite.

Si la compétition se déroule par poules, il pourra participer à la seconde partie quel que soit le résultat de la première.

Une mène est considérée comme commencée lorsque le but a été placé en terrain de jeu, de façon réglementaire.

which translates to:
Article 32 – Late arrival of players
If, after an end has started, the missing player arrives, he or she does not take part in this end, he or she is accepted into the game only as from the following end.

If a missing player arrives more than one hour after the start of a game, he or she loses all rights to participate in that game.

If his or her team-mates win this game, he or she will be able to participate in that which follows provided that he or she was originally registered with that team.

If the competition is played in leagues, he or she will be able to take part in the second game whatever the result of the first.

An end is considered as having started when the jack has been placed on the playing area in accordance with the Rules.

I guess someone has added a small part of their own???

Trust you are well
Mike

Hi Mike,

The site is the official FFPJP website !!!

if you type www.ffpjp.fr you will be redirected to http://www.petanque.fr/


other URL of interest :
http://www.petanque.fr/ --> Infos arbitrage
http://www.petanque.fr/arbitrage.htm (Nouveautés) -->
http://www.petanque.fr/newsarbitrage.htm --> article 31 retard
http://www.petanque.fr/articleenretard.pdf

Regards

Philippe

Hi Philippe,
I had a look at the site and it lists the changes for 2007 but it is wrong.
The changes were modified several times since this first report.
In fact they were modified just after the World Congress to include the decisons made at that meeting.
The version that has been issued by the FIPJP is on their site www.fipjp.com and can be found in both French and English.
This is the version I worked from so I guess the French Federation got it wrong????
Mike

sorry to contradict you mike but I had a look at the FIPJP site and on page 10 it says :


DISCIPLINE

Article 31 – Pénalités pour absence des équipes ou des joueurs
...

Est déclarée éliminée de la compétition, l’équipe qui ne s’est pas présentée sur le terrain de jeu dans l’heure qui suit le début ou la reprise des parties.
(dated 18 october 2006)


which basically means that a team showing an hour late will be disqualified.


Philippe

Hi Philippe,
No issue with my friend, in the English version it says the same under article 31

The team which does not present itself on the playing area within the hour of the start or restart of games is declared to be eliminated from the competition.

Your earlier posting was refering to article 32 and claimed I had missed a part of the rule - as you can see I have not.

Mike

ooops my mistake (or should I say FFPJP)


cheerio

Philippe

In all small local competitions the organisers have the option to change things, ie to help speed up the game, which can be rather slow at times. Nothing new there, quite a lot of times playing in local comps they always have different rules from the the major comps.

In all major competitions, the rule is still (the team has three throws of the jack if they fail to then its the other team to have a go). Remember though Les once thrown the team that failed to throw the jack at the legal distance in the first place goes first.

Jack

Yes Jack, that is what happened, we just hadnt stumbled across this local ruling.
it made for some interesting happenings at times.

the other thing they played there was 30 seconds between shots, but not really adhered to, even though the games were timed matches

Hello Les,

I don't know if there is an official ruling regarding timed games...

(If not official) It is however common practise to allow only one throw of the "but" during timed game. This is to avoid time wasting as a tactical way of winning the game.

Jerome.

Not being pedantic, but rules must be clear, do I take it that this rule means that a coche that lands on the next-but-two pitch is out (having crossed 2) or is it bad drafting or bad translation and really means the next-but-one?

I know what the wording as quoted means but can foresee room for dispute with less picky linguists.

I recently made the following post on petanque.org:

In the English translation of the new rules adopted in Grenoble in September, Article 18 makes reference to a boule becoming dead, "...when, on marked terrains, the boule completely crosses more than one of the lanes alongside the lane in use."

Does this mean, "... completely crosses more than one [meaning at least two]of the lanes alongside the lane in use."?

Or, what I believe to be more likely, "...completely crosses more than [the space occupied by] one of the lanes alongside the lane in use"?

It's interesting to me how many statements can be interpreted in more than one [meaning at least two!] way[s].


Jac Verheul was kind enough to respond that he had put this very question to International Umpire Mike Pegg and that Mike had confirmed my suspicion that the second case above is the correct interpretation. Mike is always helpful and willing to assist on questions of this kind.

Hi,

A drawing is better than a long speech ....

have a look at this pdf file http://www.petanque.fr/article9cas1.pdf
The jack in position B C and D is considered dead.

you can find all the explanations on the FFPJP website.


Philippe

En gros...

On joue un terrain de chaque cote et au fond c'est mort...