Title: A Disapointed Strigoi Player....
Description: Trying to get beautiful !!
TheUndeadGobbos - September 23, 2006 04:14 PM (GMT)
Ok, I have not much experience in Fantasy (only played 2 games as a Strigoi), but I'm already disapointed by their fragility. Great fighthers, of course, but they have no fighting capabilities other Vampires can't have except Hatred, which isn't of much use when you get challenged and killed outright....
One of my friend play's Tzeentch and he seems to have some nasty Caracters (even at 1200 points), which a Strigoi Thrall simply can't match... I then returned to my codex and Lahmians are the ones that seems the best Challenging Vamps simply because of their ability to strike first, or I'm I wrong ?
They're still bad at getting hit, but well equiped and played I shouldn't bother about it simply because my Vamps shouldn't get much strikes back.
I figured out how I'd equip my Ladies, and comments and critics are welcome:
Thrall : Innocence lost, Sword of Might.
Innocence lost, Sword of Battle.
Countess/Lord : LvL 2, Innocence lost, Warrior Familiar, Spell Familiar, SoB.
LvL 2, innocence lost, Warrior Familiar, Spell Familiar, SoM, Beguile.
LvL 2, Innocence lost, Warrior Familiar, Quickblood, Biting Blade.
I personally appreciate the first Thrall with the first Count/Lord.
So, what do you think ? If these don't make it, I'll go fully Necromancer army...
Mortis - September 23, 2006 07:30 PM (GMT)
The problem is, it may strike first, but if it gets hit, it's even more fragile than a strigoi. Always take innocence lost and quickbloodon lord-level characters, but IMHO, sCurse of the revenant and being strigoi is more of a protection.
Lahmians are very nice if kitted out properly, namely, SoM (always over SoB. +1S is better than +1A with these gals), quickblood, innocence lost, beguile and periapt/spell familiar, along with an extra magic level.
darknesseternal - September 24, 2006 02:37 AM (GMT)
I agree with Mortis on this one. And the kit he mentioned of Lvl 2, SoM, quickblood, innocence lost, beguile and periapt/spell familar for a countess/lady character is exactly what I take on mine. I've never taken a warrior familiar, just never entered into consideration for me, so can't recommend that one. The kits for the thrall are fine, I usually take the one with the SoB, just as I prefer to give my countess/lady the SoM and you can't have more than one in your army.
I have to admit that I am somewhat bewildered that you are looking at using Lahmians because you are disappointed by what you see as the fragility of Strigoi.... :blink:
I just think that you will only find the same disappointment with Lahmians. Everyone knows I love my Lahmians, but I'm just being honest. And for me their fragility (read lack of an armour save) is something that I just accept with them, something that I see as a challenge to overcome.
In all honesty, if you want to take a bloodline that lacks fragility in it's Vamps, and instead has what I think to be characters that excel in taking challenges and taking on opponents nasty characters, take Blood Dragons. It's what they were made for, and they have the armour saves that the other bloodlines lack.
Just finally, if you are worried about getting challenged and getting killed outright all the time, make sure you take champions in your units. When your opponent issues a challenge, accept it with your champion and just let your Vamp chomp down on the rank and file and beat your opponent's nasty characters with Combat Res. Also, two games is not really enough to work out how to best play a bloodline to it's strengths in my opinion, you should give it some more time.
Preacher - September 24, 2006 06:52 AM (GMT)
If you are looking at Lahmian's as a charcter killers then you are going to be disapointed. We're right up there with Necarch when talking soft & fluffy (but much better looking!)
The last place you want to put your Lahmian's is a challenge. It sounds like Blood Dragons may be a better choice for you if you like battles between powerful characters.
darknesseternal - September 24, 2006 02:09 PM (GMT)
Whenever one of my Lahmians is forced into a challenge (ie. I let my skellie champion take the last challenge, but wasn't able to then break my opponent in that particular combat with combat res), and then somehow manages to not only survive the challenge, but actually kill the opposing character (it's happened once, I think, maybe.), it becomes a scene of much hoo ha and mad celebration, along the lines of 'IN YOUR FACE MOTHERFUC.......!!!' until I remind myself yet again to improve my sportmanship :lol:
I really think that it's the Blood Dragons that will suit you best based on what you are looking for in terms of character killers..
rocdocta - September 25, 2006 01:12 AM (GMT)
i never take lahmian thralls. always take either:
gem of blood
5+ ward save
sword of might
book of arkhan
the wightlord stays near the lord and blocks attacks with the CB. can also accept challenges that are too dangerous/waste for the lord
gem of blood
5+ ward save
sword of might
d3 str 4 hits bound spell
book of arkhan
again the only change is that the extra necro provides some death magic shots and some panic tests vs gobbos etc.
lahmians arent fragile, they just need to be used carefully. always going first is a god send. i dont know how many models that have died after charging me first. but if you have one bad round of dice rolling... you must think before you commit them, same as strigoi. Blood dragons are a bit more forgiving.
Beriothien - March 30, 2007 02:24 PM (GMT)
Having fought against Lahmia, Strigoi, and Blood Dragons in various types of army list A LOT (using my Brets, Empire, Dwarves, and Wood Elves) I will say I picked Lahmia for the following reasons
(1) Strike first capability
(2) the overall fluff - including the "Drachenfells" novels and the Gotrek and Felix "Vampire Slayer" novel with the "good girl" vampires
The Beguile, Transfix stuff...meh, high leadership values and Immune to Psych troops out there make that very situational and iffy. Rarely did that stuff work for me.
But strikes first - even before charges? WS 6 or 7, S5 at least, 4 or 5 attacks? hhhmmmm
How to make it work? T5 is good, but little or no armor, and probably ony a 5+ ward save?
The new 7th edition rules allow a MOUNTED character in an infantry unit. So step 1 - give your girlfriend a 5+ armor save, and an extra strikes as usual S3 attack...give her a horsie. We all know horses are the greatest killers in warhammer anyway :)
It ain't much...but helps against poison attacks etc. Also, she can charge out of a unit 14 inches, roll 3D6 to pursue in rare but important circumstances, etc. She can move more quickly to another unit if necessary (again, rarely but hey).
Step 2 - always give the ward save power on your countess or lord.
Step 3 - magic weapon or warrior familiar. The warrior familiar is an auto-hit at S5 - which is actually better than an extra attack.
Now...what about a thrall? I like a S5 girl running around...but she is oh so vulnerable. She either strikes first - or gets the ward save. So perhaps it is best to just take wights as fighty characters, rather than thralls.
Anyway, there is the Vampire theory hammer from somebody who does more than theory hammer with a lot of other armies.