Possible Newbie- Have Questions?

Hi Members,
My first WFB army is the Tomb Kings and my second is the Bretonnians. I love both their styles of play even though each has shortcomings.

So, logically, a hybrid bastard of these two armies would be the VC Blood Dragons which I am seriously considering. I have plenty of extra Bret knights and TK skull heads to create a large BK cavalry force.

So I came here to check out BD army list and what I found is a bit confusing.

1. BD Army list here include wolves, spirit hosts and other VC units that aren't mentioned on page 79 of the VC army codex. Why is that? If I can use Dire Wolves in a Blood Dragon army, where do I find that permission?

2. To me, the big advantage of a BD list is that I can use Black Knights as a "Core" choice. And then I can call them, resurrected from Bretonnia, and use the Lance formation to enhance their effectiveness. But looking through the BD army lists here I find no one does this. Why?

Thanks Sandy Death

The back of the book lists are optional (and not fully playtested), including the blood dragons list. This means they require an opponents permission to use and are difficult to bring to touneys. Most Blood Dragon lists here are constructed using the main rules (though both are frequently discussed).
(The lance et al would be very effective if it were official for Blood Dragons).


Enjoy your stay.

Hi,
I'm still a bit confused so please bare with me.

1. Are you saying that if I showed up with a VC army containing Black Knights and Grave Guard and said they were all "CORE" because I am calling this VC Army a "Blood Dragon" army it would be possible/probable for me to not be allowed to play? And the army declared illegal!!

2. I thought that if the army variance was in the codex (army book) if was "Official" but if the army variance was in the White Dwarf , then it was optional!!

3. So why are VC Blood Dragon army lists here shown having Dire Wolves in them? Wolves are clearly not mentioned in the BD description. I believe that would definitely disqualify them from being a legal army list.

To me, gaining the advantage of using BKs and GG as "Core" also mean getting the disadvantage of not being able to use other VC units like Wolves, Bats, Ghouls Etc?

Thanks
Sandy Death

Salutations,

Ok. First, I found your posts a little hard to read.

1. For the Blood Dragon Varient list in the back of the book is not official and as such you need your opponents permission to use it (so you should make a list using the normal rules in case your opponent says no).

2. The varient list is un-official, un-playtested by GW, and un-balanced (thats a lot of uns).


3. Almost all of the lists here were made using the normal army restrictions, catigories and whatnot, so they can have access to ALL Vampire Counts units.

As for the varient lists in the back of the book..... I wouldent use them. Although they may be fluffy they are not tacticaly flexable (and in the case of the blood Dragond list, it can easily be out flanked, outnumbered, and outmanuvered (outs are just as bad as uns)

And I('ve played small eliete armies before (Tzeentch chaos with onit 3 units and tooled up characters), they SUCK! You easily get overwhelmed by flank charges and sheer numbers and than things start to die.

Ar'kazail Out!

I think you will find that small elite lists do not suck. They simply require finesse, tactics, and precise timing. Something a lot of people lack.

In the back of the book where it lists the variants, it says at the top that these require opponent's permission because they are not balanced. If it requires the opponent's permission, then generally a tournament will not accept it. Individual rules may vary.

The only "official" Vampire Counts list is the main one. It is designed to work more or less the same way no matter which bloodline you make the vampires in it. Some bloodlines do work better with certain units and approaches, but the general principle still holds. Fell bats and ghouls are equally useful to every bloodline, just for example. Now what you can do is limit your choices on your own within those boundaries. Core is core, and Wights are Special, but you can still take large Wight units and limit your Core to ghouls, dire wolves and bats, for instance.

Interesting choice of words. I prefer the phrase "unholy union."

This post has been edited by Venneroth on Jul 17 2007, 07:26 PM