Blitzkrieg, Ahh the possibilities!!!

Dear Folks

Warhammer Rule Book - Errata and FAQ Part 2

It has disturbed me that nobody has really taken this and run with it. Myself, when I first read it I confess that it opened up grand vistas of gaming that I have jealously guarded and hereto hither refused to impart on the web.

Now, can anybody else see the implications and wonders?

Edmund

PS Yes, this is a tactics thread…

I see this ruling benifiting my Demaons of Chaos the most. Normally I run a Battle Standardbearer Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut, with Skulltaker on Juggernaut in the same unit. Sometimes I like putting them in a big unit of Bloodletters. Charging out of the unit 14" has caught alot of the enemies off guard in the past. With the enemy not being able to direct their stand and shoot response at the characters this just gives them that much more protection.

I suppose vampires with the Lycni talisman will surely have their sneaky uses too.

Dear Lord Cypress

Truth is that though this is a "public" rule it seems to me not a lot of people, to date, have paid a lot of attention to it.

In the last edition of the VC's I used to love the Strigoi flying circus - ahhhhh didn't that make me laugh and laugh. However, my major issue was that the buggers would often be shot up before they impacted.

Now, well even a count on a horsie in an infantry unit can charge out 14" and no matter how much shot comes his way it just goes onto those poxy skeletons. And the advantage obviously for us is that our lads never run away. So with up to four lads all charging out on their mounts, or even running 12", I will often shock my opponent initially because they expect to be able to shoot me down. And even a few vampires tooled up as combat monsters hitting a single enemy unit can really cause some serious pain.

Edmund

I discovered this little gem today too!

Was getting chewed up by Dark Elves and their single rank, no banner units.  But I was afraid to charge the Vampires out because I though I would become a pin cushion.  Not now!

Yorga

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Warhammer Rule Book - Errata and FAQ Part 2

This post has been edited by Yorga on Aug 8 2009, 01:52 AM

Dear Yorga

Turn two and you'll be all over 'em - go forth and teach them the true meaning of fear, not even their gun lines can holt you from crawling all over them.


Edmund

now also keep in mind that if the shooting unit scores more hits than there are models THEN they must be allocated amoungst both unit & character.

And be aware that if you are out of range of their S&S at the start and then you move in range a couple inches down the road you get to catch all the shots with the charging character....

No, actually that is not the case. Still goes into the unit.

Dear WeeDawgNYC

True, but it sure beats the hell out of all those missiles going into your character (or characters ).

Now the reality is that we need to not look at the negative but look at what this ruleing actually provides us. Dire Wolf delivery stystems, skeleton packing a surprise - honestly, this opens up an awful lot of possibilities.

Dear Midiean

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Stand and shoot is stand and shoot and it goes into the unit - a fairly straight forward rule from GW for once.

Dear Folks

C'mon, we have to break out into a bit of lateral thinking here fellas, honestly. The oportunities really are breath taking, especially for an army that, more often then not due to the low stats of the core troops, depends on its characters to do the killing.

Mmmmm, charge - charge reaction - invocation of Nehek = here comes the pain!!!

Edmund

As Midean said, just make sure that the housing unit is within missile reach of the unit to be charged by the vampire by the time the charge is declared, or they will target him when he gets closer.

I've mostly had use of this when going Lycni on Flamers.

Dear NIB

Where is that said?

Edmund

BRB pg 19, Stand & Shoot says if the charging unit is beyond reach, you shoot when the charging unit (the character in this case) gets within range. Since the character is outside the unit by then, he takes all the shots.

Dear NIB

My understanding is that the FAQ and Errata is post the rule book - ergo as the new errata states the shooting is distributed amongst the unit that the charging character charges out of:

No where dose the errata state that this only applies so long as the said unit is in range and dose not apply if the unit is out of range - indeed, if this were not the case then why would we need to clarify whom is shot at as it would be the character every time. No, as per the errata the unit is the subject of the missile fire.

Edmund

You are confusing errata with Q&A. The part which you quote is Q&A, i.e. it doesn't replace any existing rules section, it suggests how to handle a situation not expliticly covered in the rules (housing unit INSIDE missile reach at the time the charge out is being declared).

We already know what happens if the unit is OUTSIDE missile reach at the time of declaring the charge, as it's covered on pg 19.

As NIB said. It's quite hard to distribute missile hits onto a unit which is not, nor will be, in range.

This post has been edited by Razon on Aug 19 2009, 05:13 PM