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jofortruth	Posted: Mar 23 2009, 09:23 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Cap and Trade System - The Real Cost - $634 Billion explodes to over $2 trillion: http://www.financialsense.com/ Listen to the First Hour - Go to time 1:01:00 where he talks about the recent Senate Hearings on the Cap and Trade System. They discussed the real cost of a cap and trade system. What Obama said would cost $634 million has now exploded to $2 trillion. THIS IS PURE INSANITY, FOLKS! THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR AMERICA![/SIZE] They also talk about cutting out the Mortgage and Charitable deductions on your Tax Returns to help pay for their scams. Isn't that nice! NOT!

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Posted: Mar 29 2009, 11:26 AM

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Carbon Trading Market - Rothschild & E3 Intl To, take the lead
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=90090

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Sydney, Australia - Rothschild Australia and E3 International are set to become key players in the international carbon credit trading market, an emerging commodity market that analysts estimate could be worth up to US$150 billion by 2012.

In a move that will re-shape the fledgling emissions trading market, Rothschild Australia and E3 International today announced their intention to launch the Carbon Ring Consortium -- an investment vehicle that will provide companies in the Asia Pacific Region with an innovative way of learning about and understanding their risks in the new carbon market.

The Carbon Ring Consortium is the first of its kind in the Asia-Pacific Region, and is the first in a series of private investment vehicles that Carbon Ring Pty Ltd will launch in coming years.

Richard Martin, the chief executive officer of Rothschild Australia said, "With recent developments in international climate change policy, the question is no longer if, but when the global carbon trading market will emerge. Rothschild Australia, through Carbon Ring, intends to be at the forefront of this market, providing private investment vehicles to companies seeking to offset their greenhouse gas emissions liabilities."

The Carbon Ring Consortium allows companies with a future carbon liability to purchase a range of carbon credits and obtain a practical insight into the operation of this new market. Carbon credits will be bought from domestic and international projects that achieve a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. These carbon credits will be distributed pro rata to Consortium investors.

"The Carbon Ring Consortium is an important first step for Rothschild and for our clients," said Mr. Martin.

"The Consortium should appeal to companies that are faced with a greenhouse liability and are significant users or producers of energy, such as electricity generators, heavy industrials, oil companies, major manufacturers or airlines, amongst many others.

"It provides investors with an opportunity to learn about the market through an investment in a low risk, low cost investment vehicle, created specifically to acquire a diverse range of carbon credits. Participants will also share in significant knowledge and intellectual property," Mr. Martin said.

During its life, the Carbon Ring Consortium intends to purchase a range of carbon credits, in a range of jurisdictions and from a range of sources. In the process, the Consortium will expose investors to many of the most pressing issues that corporations will have to address if they are to participate in the emerging carbon market. It will also give investors a practical insight into the buying and selling of carbon credits in the present market, without the need to invest in significant trading infrastructure or to assume undue risk.

Mr. Martin believes that there are many reasons why an organisation would invest in the Consortium: gaining practical experience in an emerging market; offsetting their greenhouse gas emissions; hedging their investments in new infrastructure; or in response to the expectations of the public, customers or shareholders.

Craig Windram, the director of E3 International and a partner in Carbon Ring, said, "A carbon liability brings with it considerable financial risk for organisations, and early planning to deal with this risk will add to an organisation's competitive advantage -- that's where Carbon Ring comes in.

"Few companies have developed a practical understanding of the emerging carbon market. For companies on either side of the equation, as either buyers or sellers, the Carbon Ring Consortium will provide the opportunity to 'learn by doing'. This experience will be vital in assisting businesses to formulate policy, to understand and identify their risks, and to demonstrate leadership in an area of growing public concern," Mr. Windram said.

The Carbon Ring Consortium is an unregistered, managed investment scheme. Designed to be a tailored, limited-life vehicle, it will document the legal and accounting process involved in the purchase, settlement and distribution of various carbon credit assets.

Requiring an investment of US$100,000, with a portion returned to investors in the form of carbon credits, the Consortium is intended to provide investors with a low cost, low risk and structured entry into this new market.

About Rothschild
N M Rothschild & Sons has been at the centre of the world's financial markets for more 200 years. Today, the firm is a global investment bank, which provides independent and quality advice to governments, corporations and individuals worldwide through a network of professionals in 40 offices across more than 30 countries. The firm employs 2,500 employees worldwide.

About E3

The E3 Group is a hybrid organisation dedicated to making the business case for sustainable development. It is part strategic management consultancy, part environmental think tank, part project developer and part investment manager.

The E3 Group comprises a number of companies that have developed around the business of sustainability. The Group includes a conventional consulting business, an environmental software company, a dedicated renewable energy project promoter and the Carbon Ring Consortium. The principal operating company in the group is E3 International Pty Limited, which is headquartered in Australia.

Distributed by PR Newswire on behalf of N M Rothschild and Sons

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:00 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Cap-and-Trade Is Bad - A Stealth Tax on Energy http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/...l_Cap_Trade.pdf

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Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:06 AM

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Has Cap & Trade worked ANYWHERE it has been tried?? What about "green energy"?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...28170309AARp2yk

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No, that is why China rejects it.

Cap and trade basically forces companies to move their operations to companies that the U.N. doesn't require to follow pollution laws. That is why President Bush did not sign the Kyoto Treaty. President Bush said he would sign the treaty if China and other large countries agreed to pollution controls.

This is a U.N. list of countries that do not have to follow the Kyoto treaty.
http://unfccc.int/parties_and_observers/... (u.n. website)

China sells pollution credits to Spain for $375 million
http://www.worldwatch.org/features/china...

On a side note, California has slowly been destroying its economy by making air pollution regulations stronger and stronger. California's newest insane idea is to ban any diesel engine made before 1993. And later this decade it will ban any trucks made in the 1990's and mid-2000's.

California is going to drive up food prices by requiring businesses to buy all new trucks (over $100,000 for each one).

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:11 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Copenhagen meeting coming up - United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change - FINAL SCAM! http://unfccc.int/2860.php See more: http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...?showtopic=6777

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:13 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Chinese Power Giant to Sell Carbon Dioxide to Spain under CDM Contract http://www.worldwatch.org/node/3876 China doesn't have to adhere to any of this. WHY IS THAT?

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:15 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Cap and Trade will Lead to Capital Flight: http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/052...ight-by-ron.htm

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:17 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Boxer Pushes Failed EU Cap-and-Trade Scheme - by Bonner R. Cohen - Environment & Climate News http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results...ade_Scheme.html CALIFORNIA - BOXER NEEDS TO BE FIRED! SHE IS A FOOL TO BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD THING.

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:50 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Spain's Green Jobs have FAILED so why is Obama Praising them and Copying them?: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...26143222AAWXudo http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/edito...UP.html?sid=101

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:52 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Steel Industry will be Destroyed: http://seekingalpha.com/article/145786-cap...-steel-industry

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Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:53 AM

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Cap and Trade TAX:
http://www.examiner.com/x-13348-Jacksonvil...p-and-Trade-Tax

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The Cap and Trade Bill passed by the House of Representatives last week is quite possible the most dangerous bill Congress has ever passed. Under the guise of �saving the environment,� the bill is a massive power grab by the government. By all accounts and experts, except for the Democrats in Congress who support this bill, the Cap and Trade bill would cost the United States millions of jobs and tax EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. No one would be exempt from the tax; we all will be penalized under the law. The goal of the bill is to punish those that pollute. I don�t have a problem with that, but according to liberal radical environmentalists everyone is a polluter, therefore must pay the price. I don�t think so. Americans are becoming aware of the realities that this bill will bring and the polls don�t look good for the extreme environmentalists. A Rasmussen poll shows a drop in support for Congress and the president has taken a hit. Here are the realities of this bill:

Democrats claim that this bill will create �green jobs.� I don�t know what that means, is that someone turning the windmill or something? Independent studies of the bill show that while some �green jobs� will be created, many more normal jobs will be lost. Why? Because businesses that have to pay higher energy taxes will either lay off their workers to stay in business or ship the jobs overseas. I cannot understand how ANYONE could see the logic in this crap. Individuals will be taxed based on your electricity consumption and the price you pay at the pump. If your home uses too much power or leaves a carbon footprint, you must pay Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore some money. In a recession, you do not tax people. That is just common sense.

This bill also has provisions that are out there like all our building codes for new homes must match California�s codes. Why is that? Could it be the chief sponsor of the bill is from California? I don�t know, but I don�t see why hurricane prone Florida would need earthquake prone California�s building codes. Also, every new building in America needs an outlet to plug in your electric car. I didn�t even know we had electric cars. I don�t know anyone that has them or have seen one advertised. Even if there was one, I would still prefer my SUV thank you very much. Can anyone see the logic in where these radical liberals are going with this? I think I can. They want to have a say and influence in your life. What kind of leaders in their right mind would pass a bill that would raise taxes on everyone and eliminate jobs?

The kicker to all of this is the bill is unnecessary. Other countries have tried it and it has failed miserable. Spain tried it and for every one �green job� created, two regular jobs were lost. The environment is not in the amount of trouble that Al Gore and other leftists are telling us. Has anyone noticed that the word global warming is slowly being replaced by climate change? The reason is that the earth is not warming, at least not in a way caused by humans. Actually the planet has not warmed in 8 years. In fact, please look it up, the EPA recently said earth is going to have a temperature decline for the next twenty years. Oh, and we had a time period in the 1970�s and 1980�s called global cooling. I wonder where that went� The fact is this is another way for government, BIG GOVERNMENT, to have a say in your life, to run your life, and to destroy the foundations of this country. Liberal radicals are becoming increasingly dangerous right now. With so much unchecked power, things are being done that are going to alter the way we all live. I don�t want Congress or President Obama or anyone else to tell me how to live my life ex: what kind of car I can drive, how much electricity I can consume, what type of light bulb I can have, what kind of healthcare I can have, and all the while they are increasing my taxes and moving the country towards a socialistic model. The changes that are being done are outrageous and need to be stopped. Our nation is being transformed right in front of us into something awful. Now is the time for action and the stakes couldn�t be higher.

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 10:57 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Cap and Trade for Dummies: (THE DEMS & 8 Repubs who voted for it) http://www.sodahead.com/blog/98646/cap-and...s-the-liberals/

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 11:00 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	http://www.slideshare.net/georgiaenergyfor...-trade-may-2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/15358552/Horner-...-Trade-May-2009 Horner Cap And Trade May 2009 View more documents from georgiaenergyforum.

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Posted: Jul 3 2009, 11:04 AM

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Pray for an asteroid - B.C. election fight over carbon tax or cap-and-trade misses point
http://www.winnipegsun.com/comment/columni...128391-sun.html

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Norway has had a carbon tax since 1991, which Statistics Norway concluded in 2002 had only a very minor impact on emissions.

Meanwhile, the world's largest cap-and-trade market -- Europe's Emissions Trading Scheme -- saw emissions rise in its first three years of operation, until they dropped last year not because of cap-and-trade, but due to the global recession.

Among the reasons these central planning schemes by governments fail to "fix" the climate is that politicians, desperate to get these programs started so they can claim to be "addressing climate change," give tax exemptions and/or price breaks to big emitters to bring them on board.

Statistics Norway researchers concluded "extensive tax exemptions" was a major reason for the "relatively small effect" of carbon taxes on emissions.

In Europe's cap-and-trade markets, governments gave industries free credits to emit carbon dioxide totalling more than their existing emissions.

This led to skyrocketing energy prices (emitters passed along the costs of the credits to consumers as if they had paid for them) and increasing emissions, until the recession hit.

Unlike carbon taxes and capand- trade, recessions do lower emissions.

When people buy fewer things, it takes less fossil fuel energy to produce them.

The only problem with a recession is that ... it's a recession!

Despite what politicians claim, neither carbon taxes nor cap-and-trade will lead to more "green" jobs.

Consider Spain, a member of Europe's cap-and-trade market, whose spending on renewable energy has been touted as a model for the world by Barack Obama.

Problem is, Spain lost at least 2.2 jobs in other sectors of the economy for every "green" job government spending created and only one in 10 of those jobs is permanent.

This according to a recent study by economics professor Gabriel Calzada Alvarez and three colleagues at Madrid's Juan Carlos University.

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 11:12 AM
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Climate Change Update � Falling Dominoes
http://www.qando.net/?tag=cap-and-trade

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Wednesday, July 1st, 2009

For the American taxpayer, under the shadow of the recently passed House cap-and-trade (Waxman-Markey) bill, the news continues to be grim. However for the traitorous �deniers�, aka skeptics, who believe the whole climate change hysteria to be an economy killing farce, things are looking better.

For instance India has announced it will not participate in the Western world�s attempts to kill their own economies:

India said it will reject any new treaty to limit global warming that makes the country reduce greenhouse-gas emissions because that will undermine its energy consumption, transportation and food security.

Cutting back on climate-warming gases is a measure that instead must be taken by industrialized countries, and India is mobilizing developing nations to push that case, Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told the media today in New Delhi.

�India will not accept any emission-reduction target � period,� Ramesh said. �This is a non-negotiable stand.�

Heh � fairly blunt and straight foward wouldn�t you say? Of course, China took the same stand a couple of weeks ago. I call that good news because it is another country which has decided to put its economy first and this nonsense second. When two countries which are or expected to be very soon the two leading emitters of CO2 say �no�, it makes it rather ridiculous for the rest of the world to say �yes� given the consequences vs. payoff, doesn�t it?

And the US cap-and-trade legislation? Well India sees that as a �no-go� as well:

But last week, the US House of Representatives backed a �border adjustment tax� to equalise carbon emissions charges between domestic production and imports from states that do not cap emissions. The legislation is likely to face tough opposition in the Senate.

Mr Ramesh denounced as �pernicious� US efforts to impose �trade penalties� on countries that do not match its carbon reduction moves.

Meanwhile in the EU:

The European Union risks driving industry out of the region if it continues to push for deeper cuts in carbon dioxide emissions than other economies, according to the chief executive of Eon, one of the world�s biggest renewable energy companies.

Wulf Bernotat, Eon�s chief executive, told the Financial Times that the EU was imposing higher energy costs on its industry than competing regions, and criticised the US for doing �basically nothing� to cut its carbon dioxide emissions.

He added that if there were no international deal to cut emissions agreed at the Copenhagen meeting at the end of the year, the EU would have to rethink its plans to take a lead in fighting the threat of climate change.

�It is a European political issue whether the European Union can continue to lead the policy process if the rest of the world is not joining in,� he said.

�We are adding additional costs to our industries, and if other countries don�t follow, then those industries will move to lower-cost regions.�

Yeah, like India or China � or Mexico. That�s the irony of this nonsense. We have a president and Congress who�ve made a cottage industry of demonizing corporations who �outsource� jobs while they pass legislation that encourages corporations to outsource jobs.

And for those who worship at the feet of Al Gore, another inconvenient truth is to be found in a recently published paper from the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics:

The Abstract states:

Daily temperature and pressure series from 55 European meteorological stations covering the 20th century are analyzed. The overall temperature mean displays a sharp minimum near 1940 and a step-like jump near 1987. We evaluate the evolution of disturbances of these series using mean squared inter-annual variations and �lifetimes�. The decadal to secular evolutions of solar activity and temperature disturbances display similar signatures over the 20th century. Because of heterogeneity of the climate system response to solar forcing, regional and seasonal approaches are key to successful identification of these signatures. Most of the solar response is governed by the winter months, as best seen near the Atlantic Ocean. Intensities of disturbances vary by factors in excess of 2, underlining a role for the Sun as a significant forcing factor of European atmospheric variations. We speculate about the possible origin of these solar signatures. The last figure of the paper exemplifies its main results.

The paper concludes:

In concluding, we find increasingly strong evidence of a clear solar signature in a number of climatic indicators in Europe, strengthening the earlier conclusions of a study that included stations from the United States (Le Mou�l et al., 2008). With the recent downturn of both solar activity and global temperatures, the debated correlations we suggested in Le Mou�l et al. (2005), which appeared to stop in the 1980s, actually might extend to the present. The role of the Sun in global and regional climate change should be re-assessed and reasonable physical mechanisms are in sight.

Shorter conclusion?

�It�s the sun, stupid�.

~McQ

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 11:51 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Greenhouse Gas Reduction: Cap-and-Trade Bills in the 110th Congress http://www.ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSreports/08July/RL33846.pdf

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 3 2009, 12:06 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Banksters Love Cap-and-Trade http://www.prisonplanet.com/banksters-love...-and-trade.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FX1fojAJM...player_embedded

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 4 2009, 05:12 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Earth Summit 1992 - UNCED - Cap and Trade Discussed: http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...topic=6802&st=0

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 4 2009, 05:19 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	More on Cap and Trade: http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...?showtopic=4874

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Posted: Jul 5 2009, 10:49 PM

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Top Ten Reasons to Reject Cap and Trade:
http://www.freedomworks.org/files/Top%2010...d%20trade_0.pdf
http://stopsocialism.wordpress.com/categor...-cap-and-trade/

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1. It will raise energy costs.

2. It doesn�t help the environment.

3. It doesn�t work where it has been tried.

4. It will cost Americans jobs.

5. It is in effect a hidden regressive tax.

6. It sets a dangerous precedent.

7. It prevents market forces from working for the environment.

8. It threatens to put the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage with other countries.

9. It opens the door to massive fraud and corruption.

10. It threatens to bust the federal budget at a time when the United States can scarcely afford it.

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 9 2009, 08:12 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Gore Denies that Ken Lay, Goldman Sachs CEOs Helped Develop C02 Trading �Scheme�: VIDEO http://www.infowars.com/gore-denies-that-k...g-scheme-video/ Did Enron start the Cap and Trade idea? http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...opic=3236&st=0&

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 9 2009, 08:14 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Al Gore's Involvement: He owns one of the main carbon trading companies that we will pay our carbon taxes to? http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard...will-media-care http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum...ng-profiteering More on Gore's Secrets: http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...p?showtopic=696 Remember, Al Gore claims to have invented the Internet (a lie), just like he claims humans are the cause of global warming (another lie). This man doesn't know how to tell the truth! I think his lies are catching up with him. Have you seen him lately? He looks like the thug he is! SOMEONE NEEDS TO ASK THIS GUY WHAT HIS CREDENTIALS ARE TO BE GOING AROUND TELLING EVERYONE GLOBAL WARMING IS MAN'S FAULT. HE HAS NO CREDENTIALS AS A SCIENTIST, PERIOD! SO WHY DO YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO HIM?????? Attached Image (Click thumbnail to expand)

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A U.S. Cap-and-Trade System to Address Global Climate Change (Another Brookings Institute Doc)
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/...052_stavins.pdf

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The need for a domestic U.S. policy that seriously addresses climate change is increasingly apparent. A cap-and-trade system is the best approach in the short to medium term. Besides providing certainty about emissions levels, cap-and-trade offers an easy means of compensating for the inevitably unequal burdens imposed by climate policy; it is straightforward to harmonize with other countries� climate policies; it avoids the current political aversion in the United States to taxes; and it has a history of successful adoption in this country.

THIS IS NOT ONLY A SNEAKY TAX. THIS TAX WILL BE ADDED TO EVERY SINGLE THING WE BUY, BREATHE, AND CONSUME! THIS TAX WILL ALSO BRING IN TOTAL CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING WE DO, AS WELL AS GREENIES INTO OUR PRIVATE HOMES TO ASSESS IF WE ARE BEHAVING!

THIS IS NOTHING BUT MORE LIES THAT WERE MANUFACTURED BY THE ELITE WHO WISH TO CONTROL US ALL!

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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,467 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	A License Required for your Home? http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/cap-and-tra...our-home-44750/ A very expensive license will be required for you to be able to sell your home within 1 year if this bill passes. This bill has already passed the House and now the Senate is considering it. READ THE BILL! CALL YOUR SENATOR AND SAY ABSOLUTELY "NO"! THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES IF YOU PASS THIS! YOU CAN KISS YOUR CUSHY SENATE SEAT GOODBYE, AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST STRAW! MANY OF YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY IN HOT WATER, JUST LIKE THE HOUSE MEMBERS, ON OTHER ISSUES AND YOU KNOW IT. Cap and Trade Bill: (HR 2454 Passed House, now in Senate) http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...2454pcs.txt.pdf http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...?showtopic=6487 http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...?showtopic=6809 Here's another bill in the Senate: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...s1733rs.txt.pdf

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