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* Fast & Furious - Atf Runs Illegal Guns 2 Mexico, About Gun Control & eroding 2nd Amend!

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jofortruth	Posted: Jun 15 2011, 01:31 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Furious' Gun Operation, Sure to Anger Mexico http://www.foxnews.com:80/politics/2011/06...ration-sure-to/ CSPAN - "Fast and Furious" a "Catastrophic Disaster" http://cspan.org/Events/Fast-and-Furious-a...er/10737422274/ http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/.../ATF_Report.pdf ATF Leaked Emails: http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/...Melson_Docs.pdf Letter to ATF: http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/...ng_due_3-30.pdf Issa calls this worse than Iran Contra! Is the DOJ totally corrupt or a bunch of idiots? Did they actually approve this Operation? WHO DOES THE DOJ REALLY WORK FOR? WHO WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE? I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH BAD LEADERSHIP IN MY LIFE, OR IS IT JUST PURE CORRUPTION? More on Eric Holder. Not a very impressive guy by anyone's opinion: http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...wtopic=6022&hl=

jofortruth	Posted: Jun 15 2011, 03:43 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	ATF Enabling Illegal US Gun Traffic To Mexico: http://wn.com/ATF_Enabling_Illegal_US_Gun_...exico!!!

jofortruth	Posted: Jun 15 2011, 04:01 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Hearing Panels: http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?optio...tid=12&Itemid=1 Panel 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cYeIswLQms

jofortruth	Posted: Jun 19 2011, 06:37 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Head of ATF likely to Leave - Kenneth Melson http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...=googlenews_wsj Yes, he should lose his job, and not be moved to another area. However, there appear to be other culprits also. Will he be charged? Will they be charged? Some heads need to roll (and it appears also in top positions in government), and until this starts happening these dishonest people will continue their rogue behavior! What good is an investigation into wrongdoing, if they are never punished? UPDATE: Melson is now saying that he was ORDERED TO DO THIS BY TOP OFFICIALS IN THE DOJ! NOW PART OF THE TRUTH MAY BE COMING OUT, AND WILL PROVE HOLDER (AND OBAMA) HAVE LIED ABOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PROGRAM, AND HAVE BEEN SAID TO HAVE ORDERED IT! LIARS IN GOVERNMENT (FROM THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN) - YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED. THE PEOPLE ARE SICK OF YOUR PATHETIC LIES! NONE OF YOU WHO DO THIS ARE LEADERS, YOU ARE PUNK LIARS AND THUS DESERVING OF BEING FIRED! OTHERS OF YOU DESERVE TO BE IMPEACHED AND BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES! YOUR BEHAVIOR IS REPREHENSIBLE! ATF Gunwalker Scandal � Director Melson Blows The Whistle? http://floppingaces.net/2011/07/06/atf-gun...ws-the-whistle/ Congressman says unlikely Holder did not know about operation fast and furious: (Well, it is fact now that he did know by his own speech in 2009 in Mexico) http://www.infowars.com/congressman-says-u...st-and-furious/

jofortruth	Posted: Jun 24 2011, 02:16 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Obama Admin Caught Running False Flag Against 2nd Amendment http://www.infowars.com/obama-administrati...cond-amendment/

jofortruth	Posted: Jun 24 2011, 03:00 PM
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Posted: Jul 7 2011, 09:23 PM

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Justice Department Obstructing 'Fast and Furious' Gun Probe, ATF Director Says
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06...-director-says/

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"If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand," Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said in a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder. "That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation."

Why does the DOJ (AG Eric Holder) think it doesn't have to respond to a Subpoena from this Oversight Committee? Is this showing their guilt in knowing about the ATF dealings, and even ordering it? The ATF head, Melson, says he was ordered to do it by the DOJ. So who is lying? Holder or the ATF head? Someone is lying, and it shows in their demeanor as they are called to testify in this series of hearings. I would also question if the Asst Atty Gen might have been involved (these 2nd in command dudes slime around out of the public eye).

THESE ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES! THE DOJ HEAD CAN BE IMPEACHED, AS WELL AS OBAMA, IF THEY ARE FOUND GUILTY OF OBSTRUCTING THIS INVESTIGATION, LYING ABOUT WHAT THEY DID OR IF EITHER OF THEM GAVE THE ORDERS TO THE ATF TO ENGAGE IN THE GUN RUNNING!

IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU HAVE 2 TOP GUYS WHO ARE SUPPOSE TO OBEY THE LAW, NOT OBEYING THE LAW AND ACTING AS IF THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. THIS CAN NOT STAND!

NOTE: This particular video is about this history of various agencies of the government being called by Subpoena, and whether or not they must comply! Of course, this is due to the stonewalling, obstruction and uncooperation of the DOJ and WH on this serious subject of gunrunning by the ATF! They basically are acting like they can do whatever they wish, and not be accountable. Unfortunately, this is happening in many areas, not only in the Fast and Furious actions.

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 7 2011, 09:52 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Rep. Darrell Issa Talks Operation Fast and Furious (VIDEO - July 7, 2011) http://video.foxnews.com/v/1042624898001/r...ast-and-furious Obama, Eric Holder Deny Knowledge of DOJ/ ATF Gun Running Operation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj12Tw_iq-Y&NR=1 Holder Lied about ATF Gun Sales Operation, "Fast & Furious" - Alex Jones Tv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJlW9GRHdaQ

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 7 2011, 10:10 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	You mean this guy (Eric Holder) is the Attorney General of the USA, and is in charge of JUSTICE in this country, and he can't even answer this question convincingly? He's either guilty or covering up for someone else. JUST AMAZING THAT THESE TYPES CALL THEMSELVES LEADERS! EVEN OBAMA CLAIMS IGNORANCE ON THE SUBJECT. SOME HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL THIS TIME. WE ARE ALL SICK OF LEADERS WHO LIE! DISGUSTING! http://cnsnews.cloud.clearpathhosting.com/...-gun-running-sc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHkaRU9EoVM...player_embedded

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 8 2011, 11:07 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	BUSTED: Obama and Holder can't run from "Fast and Furious"! http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=ziTlme9n...be_gdata_player Isn't this interesting! Melson, the guy who was the head of the ATF that was COMMANDED TO DO the Fast and Furious plan by top officials in government (most likely Obama and Holder, who have said they didn't) is set to be replaced by Andrew Traver (Time 8:05), a longstanding advocate of strict gun control laws! This is how these so called leaders operate in DC. They always use controversy they create to once again get what they want. ALL OF THESE TYPES NEED TO BE THROWN OUT ON THEIR HEAD FOR BEING CONNIVING LIARS WHO ONLY DO THINGS THAT FURTHER THEIR AGENDAS. It is being shown that Obama and Holder have lied about their knowledge of FAST AND FURIOUS. IMO, IT'S TIME TO IMPEACH BOTH OF THEM, IF INDEED TRUE. ENOUGH OF THE SMASHING OF OUR CONSTITUTION, AND IN THIS CASE THE 2ND AMENDMENT! ANYONE IN LEADERSHIP WHO DOESN'T SUPPORT AMERICANS RIGHTS IN THIS REGARD SHOULD NOT HAVE A JOB IN GOVERNMENT PERIOD. YOU GUYS BEST START WORRYING ABOUT YOUR JOBS. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR TRAITOROUS BEHAVIOR! THIS ALSO GOES FOR ANY AND EVERY CONGRESSMAN WHO IS SILENT WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING AND OR SUPPORTING THE SHAM! YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING SHAME TO THIS COUNTRY, AND EVERY ONE OF YOU SHOULD BE FIRED! So who is this Traver guy? You can be sure he will follow orders and not be forced to do anything, because he's on the side of GUN CONTROL. Isn't that amazing the manipulation these so called leader (liars) use? IMO, it is beyond time for an Impeachment. The problem is finding Congressmen who will man up and do their job, and get this underway. The violations are over the top, in this administration as in the last one. Whether it be this incident or the ongoing wars being fought illegally and without correct authority the violations are blatant. THIS GROSS VIOLATION MUST END AND THIS CONGRESS MUST ACT AND DO THEIR JOB! http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Andrew_L._Traver

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 8 2011, 12:00 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Senator Grassley discusses his investigation into ATF's "Fast and Furious" operation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzf56e29zUw

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 8 2011, 03:02 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	GOA's Larry Pratt: Time to Close Down The ATF! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMAHdfh908Q Celerino Castillo, Fmr DEA Agent & Whistleblower put in prison for telling the truth http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...?showtopic=6299

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 8 2011, 05:21 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	ATF Fires a Whistleblower - Vince Cefalo, Senior Special Agent with the ATF: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=35862 HEY GOOD GUYS, AT THE ATF, YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THIS MAN AND WHISTLEBLOW YOURSELVES. THEY CAN'T FIRE YOU ALL, IF YOU STAND UP LIKE MEN AND TELL THE TRUTH, BECAUSE IT WILL THEN SHOW THEN EVEN MORE GUILTY. YOU ALSO NEED TO SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW OFFICERS WHO WERE SHOT DUE TO THIS STUPID AND CORRUPT PROGRAM THAT TOP OFFICIALS ARE NOW LYING ABOUT. THIS CAN'T STAND. IF YOU HAVE ANY CONSCIENCE, AND IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, IT'S TIME TO COME FORWARD AND BLOW THIS WIDE OPEN! THIS IS BUT ANOTHER ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY, AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE A STAND ALONG WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WE ALL WILL LOSE! THE LIES AND CORRUPTION HAVE TO BE BROKEN WIDE OPEN, AND THOSE ENGAGED IN SUCH BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 8 2011, 09:41 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Obama to announce incremental gun control measures: (Can you believe the hypocrisy of this guy?It's ok to engage in a program where you give guns to Mexican drug cartels, but the 2nd amendment is bad and we need disarmament, in the eyes of the Obama admin!) http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...opic=5702&st=25 See how he is using the Arizona shooting as an excuse for his gun control! Obama will move it along slowly, then the next guy will move it along slowly until one day we wake up and FULL GUN CONTROL CALLED DISARMAMENT HAPPENS! INCREMENTALISM IS THEIR METHOD! WAKE UP!

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Posted: Jul 9 2011, 08:58 AM

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Fast and Furious Lies, Stalling, Obstruction at Highest Levels of Government!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw2kW7Kei5A

I guess Holder also doesn't know what it means when he raises his hand before testifying:
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

-- Thomas Jefferson

http://whatreallyhappened.com:80/RANCHO/PO...A/2ndQuotes.php

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Posted: Jul 9 2011, 09:39 AM

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Attorney General Eric Holder is a Liar, and a bad one at that: (Proven by a speech he gave in Mexico on April 2, 2009)
http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag...ech-090402.html

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Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag...ech-090402.html

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FULL SPEECH

Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference
CUERNAVACA, MEXICO ~ Thursday, April 2, 2009

Remarks as prepared for delivery.

First, let me express my thanks to Attorney General Medina Mora and Secretary of Government Gomez Mont for making this conference possible.

This is my first trip to another country as Attorney General. I wanted to come to Mexico to deliver a single message: We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in this fight against the narcotics cartels. The United States shares responsibility for this problem and we will take responsibility by joining our Mexican counterparts in every step of this fight.

And, together, we will win � thanks in large part to the courage of my Mexican colleagues here today, who are on the front lines every day, and with whom I am proud to collaborate.

The topic that has been addressed over the past two days could not be more important � the development of an arms trafficking prosecution and enforcement strategy on both sides of the border.

I would like to thank the Mexican and U.S. experts who have worked so hard on this issue. On our side, Secretary Napolitano and I are committed to putting the resources in place to increase our attack on arms trafficking into Mexico.

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

But as today�s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels � an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel. This is the type of full-bore, prosecution-driven approach that the U.S. Department of Justice took to dismantle La Cosa Nostra � once the most powerful organized crime group operating in the United States.
With partners like those we have here today, I am confident that together, we will defeat these narcotics cartels in exactly the same way. I am proud to stand with you, and to join you in this fight. Thank you again for inviting me here.

Quiero que el pueblo Mexicano sepa que mi naci�n est� con ustedes en la lucha contra los narcotraficantes.

M�xico y los Estados Unidos comparten mas que una frontera�compartimos cultura, sangre e intereses comunes. Somos hermanos unidos contra una batalla que ganaremos.

Tenemos que aprender de uno a otro, trabajar juntos y luchar juntos. Si hacemos estas cosas, si nos dedicamos juntos a esta lucha, no tengo duda que tendremos �xito.

Holder Lied: Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling
http://www.infowars.com/holder-lied-doj-ne...pons-smuggling/

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 10 2011, 09:46 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	CONGRESS, YOU HAVE THE PROOF YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT ERIC HOLDER AND OBAMA ARE LYING TO YOU! SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START IMPEACHING BOTH OF THEM! ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS WATCH AND LISTEN TO HOLDER'S RECENT TESTIMONY. THE GUY LIED AND WAS A VERY BAD LIAR AS SHOWN BY HIS FEIGNING IGNORANCE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR THE QUESTION, AND THEN SAYING HE ONLY HEARD OF THIS PROGRAM IN LAST FEW WEEKS. IN ADDITION, HIS GENERAL MANNERISMS SHOW HE LIED (WATCH HIS BATTING EYES, HIS EYE AVOIDANCE AT TIMES, ON AND ON.) THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THESE LIES, NOR THE HUNDREDS OF OTHERS THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TOLD FROM DAY ONE! LIKEWISE, THERE WAS NO EXCUSE FOR ALLOWING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO GET BY WITH THEIR THOUSANDS OF LIES! CONGRESS, YOU WILL BE RENDERED IMPOTENT BY THE CRIMINALS RUNNING AMOK, IF YOU DO NOT TAKE ACTION NOW! YOU EITHER MAN UP, OR IT'S OVER AND YOU WILL HAVE FAILED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 11 2011, 10:03 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Copy of the letter Issa sent to Holder after Melson gave his testimony: http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/...i%20to%20ag.pdf

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 11 2011, 10:16 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	�Let�s Arm The Mexican Drug Cartels With Thousands Of Guns & Continue To Leave The Border Wide Open� http://www.infowars.com/%e2%80%9clet%e2%80...-open%e2%80%9d/

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 22 2011, 10:14 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Grassley Sees DOJ Cover Up in �Fast and Furious� Investigation http://www.infowars.com/grassley-sees-doj-...-investigation/ IMO, it is disgusting when government can lie, steal, cheat, coverup, etc etc with no impunity. That is not leadership; it's a bunch of bumbling idiots and con artists taking advantage of their position. You people are low lifes and the opposite of what a free Republic represents. The guy who calls himself the leader of the DOJ, Eric Holder, needs to be fired and then brought before a court of law that has some integrity (if there is any left) and forced to tell the truth for a change. The lack of integrity of this punk is unreal. The disgusting part is that there are so many like him in DC. Shameful, all of you children posing as adult leaders!

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 26 2011, 08:46 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Issa: Obama Administration Intimidating Witnesses in ATF Gun Probe: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/j...estimony/print/ http://www.prisonplanet.com/issa-obama-adm...-gun-probe.html 4 Federal Agencies were Partners with the ATF in Fast & Furious: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltwa...ays-4-federal-a IF THIS IS TRUE, OBAMA NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED, ALONG WITH AG ERIC HOLDER! HOWEVER, THE MAIN REASON HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED IS BECAUSE HE IS DOING THE BIDDING OF THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS, AND THE UN INSTEAD OF HIS DUTY AS COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF AMERICA! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

jofortruth	Posted: Jul 31 2011, 02:57 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Gun Grabbers in Congress Exploit Fast & Furious (even though high gov officials endorsed it): http://www.infowars.com/gun-grabbers-in-co...t-fast-furious/ Yeah, when you don't have a real emergency, just make one up for the Agenda! Then tell your idiot Congress critters to puppet talking points, and all will be afraid and obey!

jofortruth	Posted: Aug 12 2011, 11:57 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Insider: CIA Orchestrated Operation Fast and Furious: http://www.infowars.com/insider-cia-orches...st-and-furious/

jofortruth	Posted: Aug 30 2011, 06:09 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	ATF Director Melson reassigned: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/30...furious-uproar/ But of course nothing will happen to Atty General Holder who knew this was going on, approved it and lied about it! The low level guys who are ordered to do things are always the fall guys. The real culprits rarely get penalized or prosecuted! Why wasn't Holder demoted or fired? Until the criminals behind the veil (the elite and their bought frontmen) start being prosecuted, this crap will continue! We also need some real men in these jobs that won't obey criminal orders. However, the elite usually only put wimps in positions of leadership who follow orders, rather than those with integrity and a backbone! The viscious elite circle must be broken, if we are to get our country back! Get some real Americans in top jobs who are loyal to America, and you will begin to solve the problem!

jofortruth	Posted: Sep 2 2011, 03:16 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 31,494 Member No.: 1 Joined: 1-May 07	Feds Covered Up Fast and Furious Link to Gun that Killed Brian Terry: http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-covered-u...rian-terry.html

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