The Sabbath In Prophecy, There's More To It Than You Think!

Although we have seen crystal clearly from the bible that the God's Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday, other people have a hard time accepting this, so much that they want to 'force' Sunday worship on people by law. Now you may laugh at the thought of our governement, a government of freedom of religion, passing a law requiring Sunday Worship, but the evidence that we are headed towards such a law IS LARGE!
In this chapter we will explore the events that have been taking place since the 60's that are leading us slowly towards a National Sunday Law. Don't believe me? Than read on and believe the facts and newspaper articles about to be given. Don't take my word for it, judge for yourself.
The way this chapter will read is starting from the earliest date and onward till we reach the current day and time. So let us begin with taking a nice look at what was happening in the 1960's. We all remember the hippies, the sunflowers, the peace signs, and about everything else that took place.
However, do we remember the "Save Sunday for the Family" legislation, also known as SB {Senate Bill} 175, that was introduced before the senate in 1961? No? Well, let me fill you in on what you plainly missed. You see, the bill was to ban liquor sales on Sunday and force the closure of general retain establishments.
What would the penalty be if you didn't follow the law? Maybe a couple of warnings? Not close, try a fine of $50 to $100 for your first offence and a fine of $250 to $500 for further offences. Oh and I forgot to mention the penalty gets worse, you could also get up to six months imprisonment for second offences and so on.
Now, of coarse this law sounds rediculous I hope to you, because what about people who don't believe in Sunday as the sabbath? Just to clear things up, Senator George Kupka was quoted as calling Sunday as Sabbath and that the reason for the closure was because of retailers not wanting to open on Sundays because of the sababth. Although this bill sounds rediculous and you may pass it off as being one of those crazy things that happened during the 60's, it did happen, and thousands of people sent in letters giving their support of such a bill. Showing america that the public was ok with sacraficing their religious liberty.
Of coarse, the bill was not passed, but that didn't mean that more bills didn't continue to come in. We now turn our attentions towards the 90's, the age of machines. So much happend during this period, but maybe we forgot some of the more 'important' events that happened.
Papers all over tennessee in February 1996 put up headlins such as "Bills Aim to Tighten Loose Morals" and "State, Church Unite". Were these papers crazy, no, they were reporting about the 'Bible Bills' that appeared before Tennessee lawmakers. These bills wanted to, like the one in the 60's, legislate religious matters deeling with The Ten Commandments.
One newspaper said something that deffinatly should send shivers up your spine, "You almost expect to see a steeple atop the Capitol and pews in the Senate chambers, because church and state have reconciled - apparently the seperation was only temporary." Could this reporter just be saying catchy words, or was he truly warning us?
Well, how about the fact that the Senate in February 1996 passed a non-binding resolution that urged the Ten Commandments be posted in schools, homes, and businesses. The vote was 27-1. Since this happened many senators are admitting to having trouble voting against religious matters.
What happened to religious freedom!? Have we really reached such a time where our own senators can't understand "Seperation of Church and State"? God warns us in the Bible that his kingdom is not of this world and that his laws are to be followed because we choose to, not because we are forced to by man. For so many christians to be wanting our government to legislate religion, shows how many actually know what their bible teaches.
Moving foreward in time to 1998, we come to another important event. A woman wrote a book supporting Sunday as a day of rest for all. That woman, Kullman, at the time was a Catholic Aid Association employee and organized efforts to set a billboard campaign in motion. She made seventy-five billboards all of which proclaimed "Thank God it's Sunday! TGiS!"
That catch phrase she thought of appeared accross Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Iowa and Wisconsin in 1999. The success ofher campeign caused her to follow up with 135 banners which were placed across the upper part of the midwest. A local priest even managed to take one of the banners to the Vatican and get the Pope to bless it.
Although this event was small, it had an imact. An article about this was later published in the Vadnais Heights Press on May 2, 2001. Now we move shortly ahead in time till we reach June 6, 1998, this date might be remembered by some. On that day Pope John Paul II made a public plea for all christians to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. John Paul II also had been known for supporting Sunday as seen whe he said, "Make it clear that Sunday must not be worked, since it must be celebrated as the day of our Lord."
Millions of catholics all over the world heard this, so did non-catholics, and everyone got the same impact from it. Here, there was being given a world-wide call to keep Sunday sacred.
The next event took place a while later in July of 2004, with newspaper's publishing headlines such as "'Day of Rest' Law Passed in Virginia." Basicly, legislative staff members 'mistakenly' passed a law while trying to abolish the old 'Blue Laws' that allowed employee's to take a day off from work to observe their sabbath, and employers were bound to honor their employee's wishes. Immediatly employee's arround the state of Virginia began notifying their bosses they were going to be observing their sabbath. The law was fixed soon after lawmakers realized their mistake. It was a 'mistake' and caused alot of havok, but the fact that it happened is more important. One of the penalties for violating the 'day of rest' was a $500 fine.
Now we move foreward in time by only a little till we reach October of 2004. What happened on this date? Well, it wasn't in America this time, it was in Nova Scotia. A poll was held there asking if voters wanted businesses to be open on Sunday, 55% said no. What this meant was that large retailers and grocery stores would have to remain closed on Sundays in Nova Scotia. Although this happened far away, it showed how not only American's are slowly (or spedily, depending on your opinion) are pushing for Sunday reverence.
In 2005, Pope Benedict XVI showed the world his true mission as Pope, bringing back Sunday worship. On August 21st he pushed Sunday observance before a million people in Germany. In Bari, Italy, during the 24th National Eucharistic Congress, he did the same thing before 200,000 people, saying "the reinforcement of Sunday worship is fundamental to his mission."
In October of 2005, the Associated Press exposed that in Tennessee's Nashville suburb, some people were doing contruction work on Sunday. Why was this so important? Because according to that city's code, no contruction work could be done on Sunday's. The Spring Hill alderman debated for a long period of time on what to do about it. What I bring up is, if we are a country who supposedly does not force religious laws under the constitution, why did these people have to debate whether to enforce this law?
In late 2005 christians also made a public appeal for a Ten Commandments Day. Now I know most of you know of this because it was widely talked about. The date set was for February 5. Although hiding behind the ideal of bringing us back to God's law, in reality it was about promoting Sunday as the sabbath, leaving out the fact that God's true sabbath is the 'Seventh' day.
In early 2006 a US state legislator introduced a bill, House Resolution 13, that would recognize a 'state's religion.' This truly is outrageous that a state legislator would even think of doing this, which completely goes against the US Consitution. The bill wouldn't force religion on anyone, but protect the rights of the majority. The bill thankfully was not passed by God's grace, however the news station that reported it gave a poll and showed people's opinions, the majority being that they didn't think it was a bad idea.
If you have learned anything from reading all this so far is that people are pushing more and more for forced Sunday rulership. Events are coming into place that are leading us back to the Dark Ages when the Catholic Church made law demanding Sunday Worship, penalties included and not limited to death.
In July 2006 'USA Today' had the newspaper headline "A Call to Honor The Sabbath".
In September of 2006, something amzingly horrible happened. 'The Philadelphia Trumpet' reported that French courts had decided to 'enforce' sunday worship. A fashion store in France had broken the law and been operational on Sunday, the courts ruled that it was against the law. Another country here is seen showing it's intent to legislate christian morals. The article also gave a good insight to how Sunday worship really began.
A month later 'USA Today' ran an article on how eleven states, including North Carolina, ban hunting on Sunday. The reason? Because they believe Sunday is the sacred Sabbath and should be kept reverent. So they decided to legislate it by law. However not all the hunters there agree with the ban.

These are just a few of the many times that people have been trying to force SUNDAY LAWS on us. There are more, but I had not the time to find them right now.

<<<Well, how about the fact that the Senate in February 1996 passed a non-binding resolution that urged the Ten Commandments be posted in schools, homes, and businesses. The vote was 27-1. Since this happened many senators are admitting to having trouble voting against religious matters.>>>

It was non-binding. It was simply an encouragement for people to recognize that there is a God of the Universe who judges justly. This was to counter the problems we have had in schools ever since the Ten Commandments and the Bible have been thrown out of schools. Kids don't obey the law, because ther is no divine backing of it. Public schools are now completely secular, no wonder they are full of chaos.

<<<What happened to religious freedom!? Have we really reached such a time where our own senators can't understand "Seperation of Church and State"?>>>

The phrase "Separation of Church and State" is not found in the Constitution. It was taken from a letter by Thomas Jefferson. The Constitution says this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

It meant that the Federal Government cannot create a State church. It says nothing about Ten Commandment monuments or the Bible being in schools (by the choice of local school boards). Also, it didn't prohibit the States from having State Churches, as many of them did for years. So, yes, the Church and State are seperate, but that does not mean that the government cannot recognise the religion of the majority.

<<<God warns us in the Bible that his kingdom is not of this world and that his laws are to be followed because we choose to, not because we are forced to by man. For so many christians to be wanting our government to legislate religion, shows how many actually know what their bible teaches.>>>

Actually, we legislate religion every day. It's a religious belief that creates laws against murder (Romans 13:9), stealing (Ephesians 4:28), perjury (Colossian 3:9), treason (Romans 13:1), polygamy (1 Timothy 3:2), etc. Without God, there is no morality. What the government cannot do is prohibit people from exercising their religion. You failed to mention one example of anyone being forced by law to work on Saturday.

<<<If you have learned anything from reading all this so far is that people are pushing more and more for forced Sunday rulership>>>

No, I learned that there was one law passed a long time ago prohibiting working on Sunday, and a prohibition against hunting on Sunday. That was it.

God Bless

God's Covenant with man is the Ten Commandments. Deut 4:13; Ex 34:28. These were placed in The Ark of The Covenant, in the Most Holy Place. Why? Because, it was God's throne upon the earth - the place where His presence and glory dwelt.

The New Covenant is God engraving His Ten Commandments in our hearts and minds. The Ten Commandments = ONE Covenant. James 2:10,11, tell us, that, if we break one commandment, we become transgressors of the law, and are guilty of breaking all of them.

It is interesting to me, how that Christians claim to keep the Ten Commandments, until, it comes to the 4th, the only one, that, He told us to "remember."

He calls the Sabbath, "My holy day." Isa 58:13. Jesus referred to Himself, as, "Lord of the Sabbath." Mark 2:28.

Whe He quoted the "Two Greatest Commandments," He was quoting the law:

"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Deut 6:5

"...thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Lev 19:18.

These two commandments are a summation of The Ten: If you love the Lord supremely, you will keep the first four. If you love your neighbour as yourself, you will, also, keep the last six.

"Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth ALL thy diseases...As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us...To such as keep his covenant, and to those that REMEMBER his commandments to do them." Ps 103

Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Jhn 14:15.

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I say?" Lu 6;46

Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord, shall ENTER into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven. MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord...have we not in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness) Matt 7:21-23. These were commandment-breakers.

The flip side is:
"And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep his commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth (Jesus: John 14:6; the law: Ps 119:142; and ALL his commandments: Ps. 119:151) is not in him." 1 John 2:3,4.

Now, this is a problem, because the New Covenant is God writing His laws upon our hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10. To claim, that we are under the New Covenant and to transgress His law, is inconsistent.

Many say, that, loving God is enough. Is it?

"Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. Her house is THE WAY TO HELL, going down to the chambers of death." Prov 7:25-27.

Peter trusted in his heart, when he, "lovingly" told Jesus, that, He didn't need to go to the cross. Jesus looked at him and said, "Get thee behind me, Satan!" Mt 4:10.

When James and John wanted to call fire down from heaven, as Elijah had done. Jesus said, "Ye know not what manner of spirit you are of." Lu 9:55. After all, there was precedent.

These disciples were with Jesus 24/7!

Folks, let's not follow the teachings of any denomination. Let us be like the Bereans. "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.

One of the marks of The Antichrist is "...thinking to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/insitution can change God's law. He hates the Sabbath day, because, it declares the glory of our Creator and Redeemer. Deut 5:12-15.

So, how do we know, that, we love Him?

""For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3.

"And THIS IS LOVE, that we walk after his commandments." 2 John 6

So, if we do not keep His commandments, we do not know Him, and we do not love Him, according to the Scriptures.

And what is the everlasting gospel that is to go to the ends of the earth? "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people. Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water." Rev 14:7. God is calling us back to worship Him as Creator. And how do we do that? By keeping the commandment, He told us to "remember" - By honoring Him on His holy day - the Sabbath.

How do we identify His true Bride?

"And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17.

"Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12.

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; to him that overcometh will I give to eat of THE TREE OF LIFE, which in in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7. Do you have ears to hear?

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the TREE OF LIFE, and MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev. 22:14.

At the very end of the Book of books, the Apostle John makes a connection between keeping the commandments and entering Heaven.

<<<God's Covenant with man is the Ten Commandments. Deut 4:13; Ex 34:28. These were placed in The Ark of The Covenant, in the Most Holy Place. Why? Because, it was God's throne upon the earth - the place where His presence and glory dwelt.>>>

God never gave the Ten Commandments to man, only with Israel. That is exactly what those verses you cited teach. (Dueteronomy 4:13 cf. 4:20)

Exo 34:27 "Then the LORD said to Moses, 'Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.'
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

Please try to read the verses before and after the verse you cite, that will usually correct any misinterpretation.


<<<The New Covenant is God engraving His Ten Commandments in our hearts and minds.>>>

I believe it's more than ten. :-) It's important to note He is writing the His laws (not specified as the Ten Commandments) on hearts, not tablets. And as I said before, The Ten Commandments were given in a theocratic context to Israel. The Commandments only have been applied to Gentiles in a entirely different context, interestingly enough, without the 4th one. We still follow the spirit of Sabbath observance is still observed by the meeting of Christians on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2). The Sabbath was associated with redemption in Deuternomy 5:15, and Christians now rest on the Lord's Day which is associated with the rest we have in Christ (Colossians 2:16-17, Hebrews 4:4-10).

<<<He calls the Sabbath, "My holy day." Isa 58:13. Jesus referred to Himself, as, "Lord of the Sabbath." Mark 2:28.>>>

WIth Isaiah 58:13, once again, reading the next verse would clear things up. God is speaking to Israel. In Mark 2:28, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is also the fulfillment of it (Matthew 5:17, Colossians 2:16-17).

<<< it comes to the 4th, the only one, that, He told us to "remember.">>>

You contradicted yourself. You say it's the only one that God commanded Israel to remember. Then you quote Psalm 103, which tells Israel remember all of them.

<<< "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord, shall ENTER into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven. MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord...have we not in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." >>>

John 6:29 "Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.'"

The Bible NEVER says that obedience that keeping the law is a requirement of salvation, it is only a result. We are saved by faith in Christ alone.

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
Rom 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Paul is speaking in reference to the very type legalism preached by Ellen White and many others.

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Gal 2:21 "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

<<<And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep his commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth (Jesus: John 14:6; the law: Ps 119:142; and ALL his commandments: Ps. 119:151) is not in him." 1 John 2:3,4....To claim, that we are under the New Covenant and to transgress His law, is inconsistent.>>>

The Law does not apply to New Testament believers.

Rom 6:14 "For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. " (Note:this verse doesn't mean we can sin, but that we aren't under the Old Covenant, cf 6:15).

2Co 3:5 "Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
2Co 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,"

2Co 3:11 "For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory"

2Co 3:13 "and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away."

2Co 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Gal 3:23 "But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."

Heb 7:12 "For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also."

<<<"Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. Her house is THE WAY TO HELL, going down to the chambers of death." Prov 7:25-27.>>>

No one is disputing that disobedience is the way to Sheol (death, not necessarily Hades, but probable). What the Bible teaches is that God forgives us of our disobedience, and we enter into heaven because of His obedience, not our own.

1Co 1:30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
1Co 1:31 so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

<<<Peter trusted in his heart, when he, "lovingly" told Jesus, that, He didn't need to go to the cross. Jesus looked at him and said, "Get thee behind me, Satan!" Mt 4:10.>>>

Peter was still saved, was he not? Why? Because he had faith in Christ, nothing more, nothing less (Matthew 16:16)

<<<Folks, let's not follow the teachings of any denomination. Let us be like the Bereans. "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.>>>

Yes, examine the Scriptures, all of them, in context. Amen!

<<<One of the marks of The Antichrist is "...thinking to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/insitution can change God's law. He hates the Sabbath day, because, it declares the glory of our Creator and Redeemer. Deut 5:12-15.>>>

The Antichrist would also hate the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10), because it celebrates the ressurection of Christ.

<<<So, if we do not keep His commandments, we do not know Him, and we do not love Him, according to the Scriptures.>>>

Yes, that doesn't mean we are under the Law.

<<<God is calling us back to worship Him as Creator. And how do we do that? By keeping the commandment, He told us to "remember" - By honoring Him on His holy day - the Sabbath>>>

That's quite a stretch. It said to worship God because He is the Creator, not to keep the Saturday Sabbath (and you can worship God as creator on Sunday just as well). The thing that is much more important is that you love the LORD with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. That is much, much, more important than keeping the Mosaic Law.

<<<"And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17.>>>

This woman was Israel, not the church. I adressed this is a previous post:

"Some view the woman there as the Church, but that interpretation is extremely doubtful. The problem? Revelation 12:5 says the woman will give birth to Christ. Did Christ come from the church? Certainly not! the church was built on Christ. Israel, however, is where Christ came from. Israel is very clearly the woman. It is even clearer when you look at the description of the woman. She has as crown of twelve stars (representing the 12 tribes of Israel cf. Genesis 37:9) and the Sun and Moon appear with her (representing Jacob and his wife cf. Genesis 37:10). Israel is persecuted by the Dragon and she is given "two wings of the great eagle" (which is symbolic of God's deliverance, cf. Isaiah 40:31). God sends Israel to a place of refuge which He has prepared for her and she is there for "a time"(1 year), "times" (plural, 2 years), and "half a time" (6 months). So, a total of 3 1/2 years, the second half of the Tribulation period (Daniel 9:27). The Dragon is Satan as mentioned by Matt. I hope that was helpful, even if you disagree, it gives you another perspective. (I used to think it was the church too until I studied the book of Revelation more thoroughly comparing it with the rest of Scripture to gain a better picture)."

<<<At the very end of the Book of books, the Apostle John makes a connection between keeping the commandments and entering Heaven. >>>

Thse who have true faith, will show some effort to obey God's moral law.

Rev 22:14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city."

How do you wash your robes? By having faith in Christ (1 Corinthians 6:11).

God Bless

We are saved by grace, through faith unto good works.

When Moses struck the rock twice, in disobedience, God charged him with unbelief. Num 20:12. When the children of Israel were disobedient, God said, that, they didn't enter the Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19. Jesus could not do many works in Nazareth, because of their unbelief. Mt 13:58. Heb 3:12 says, that, unbelief comes out of an EVIL heart. Unbelief is rebellion against God.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.

"For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.." Rom 2:13.

The Bible figures, who walked by faith, also, walked in obedience to the will of God.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works...Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." Ja 2

"By faith...Abraham obeyed." He 11:8

"And IF ye be Christ's, then are YE Abraham's seed..." Ga 3:29.

Only, if we obey God's Word, as he did.

"And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal life, unto all them that obey Him." Heb 5:9.

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

<<<We are saved by grace, through faith unto good works.>>>

Correct. That's vastly different then saying works is a condition to entering Heaven.

<<<When Moses struck the rock twice, in disobedience, God charged him with unbelief. Num 20:12. When the children of Israel were disobedient, God said, that, they didn't enter the Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19.>>>

In both instances their unbelief expressed itself in disobedience. The Scripture in Hebrews is taking an Old testament passage and applying it to present day believers. If you are trying to say that faith and works are synonymous, that is not scriptural at all.

<<<"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.>>>

Yes, we fulfill the purpose of the law by faith. The law made us realize we are sinners. It was a tutor to lead us to Christ.

Galatians 3:24 "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith."

It does not mean we are required to keep the Mosaic Law (legalism), which I showed verse references above to support. In fact, just read the entire book of Galatians.

<<<The Bible figures, who walked by faith, also, walked in obedience to the will of God. >>>

Not very well. Notice how only the things done in faith are mentioned in Hebrews 12? The numerous times they disobeyed are absent.

James chapter 2 teaches thattrue faith will result in works. Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness:

Genesis 15:6 "Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness."

This occured well before he offered his son Isaac. This work was a result of the faith he had years before (James 2:23), not the cause of his justification which happened well before. One famous Christian put it this way "We are justified by faith alone, but faith never stands alone." The sola fide principle still stands:

"Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness," Romans 4:4-5

<<<"And IF ye be Christ's, then are YE Abraham's seed..." Ga 3:29.

Only, if we obey God's Word, as he did.>>>

Please read the chapter you lifted that verse from. It teaches that the blessing we recieve from Abraham is justification by faith. It really inconsistent to quote from that chapter and then contradict it in the very next sentence.

<<<"And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal life, unto all them that obey Him." Heb 5:9.>>>

This verse assumes that those who have faith will obey Christ. This does not mean in any way that salvation is conditional upon obedience. Teaching that works are
a condition of salvation is an entirely different gospel than the one taught by Christ and the apostles.

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!" Galatians 1:8-9


<<<"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14. >>>
With the emphasis on "right" and "may," I pray you are not implying that verse contradicts the rest of scripture and says we can earn the right to enter heaven by keeping Christ's commandments. This is theoretically possible, but not humanly possible (Romans 3:23).

God Bless

If His Covenant is written in your heart and mind, and you have His Spirit and a new heart, you will not continue in sin, or, "the transgression of the law."

He gave us His Spirit and a new heart, to enable us to walk in His Spirit. And His Spirit will never lead us into sin.

If you want to trangress His law, that, is your choice.

<<<If His Covenant is written in your heart and mind, and you have His Spirit and a new heart, you will not continue in sin, or, "the transgression of the law.">>>

You are not honestly saying that you don't sin, I hope. Believers can sin, and many do (Romans 7:14-25, 1 John 2:1-2). If you are trusting in your obedience to be a factor in your entrance into heaven, you have a false hope.

<<<He gave us His Spirit and a new heart, to enable us to walk in His Spirit.>>>

Yes.But we still will sin. We are fallen humans. "No one is good but God." (Mark 10:18)

<<<And His Spirit will never lead us into sin.>>>

Of course not, but He will allow us to be tempted to a certain extent (1 Corinthians 10:13). And, we will sin.


<<<If you want to trangress His law, that, is your choice. >>>

Yes, and yours. I have sinned against God many times, and so have you. All I know is that Christ died for my sins, and I am justified by faith alone, nothing more (Romans 4:4-5, Ephesians 2:8-9). I can't boast at all.

"It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all." 1 Timothy 1:15

There is a reason why scripture was absent from your short response. It is because salvation by faith plus the keeping of the law is not the gospel, but a false one.

"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." Galatians 2:21

God Bless

He means that we try our best not to sin, ofcoarse we will from time to time but we have Jesus to forgive us.

That's the point, righteousness is NOT from the law. It's from Christ. But as I have said, when you love someone, you want to keep their commandments.

-Matt


Were off-topic. Also, it was a non-binding thing, or do you supose all the newspapers that reported about it were lieing?

I got all that info from the news, everything that is written is as it was reported.

But what you missed the point, people are TRYING to get a law passed. And people support the idea.

Also, you said about forced working on Saturday. Lots of buisnesses actually do that, it's not reported because the majority do not worship on that day.

Also, Russia does not allow rest on Saturday, they force bible believing christians to go to school then and to only worship on Sunday.

-Matt

<<<He means that we try our best not to sin, ofcoarse we will from time to time but we have Jesus to forgive us.>>>

That's really inconcistent. You have to 'kinda' keep the law? That would mean you are still 'kinda' responsible for your salvation.

<<<That's the point, righteousness is NOT from the law. It's from Christ. But as I have said, when you love someone, you want to keep their commandments.>>>

The 100% agree with the above statement. However, what has been said before is that we "must" keep the commandments (or go to Hell), and we are saved "by grace and the law." The latter is entirely anti-scriptural.

<<<Also, it was a non-binding thing, or do you supose all the newspapers that reported about it were lieing?>>>

You said yourself that it was non-binding. A "non-binding" resolution is a resolution that congress passes that is merely a reccomendation and is not enforced by the law.

<<<Also, you said about forced working on Saturday. Lots of buisnesses actually do that, it's not reported because the majority do not worship on that day.>>>

There is no law that forces businesses to open on Saturday(my friend, who is a Seventh Day Adventist, closes his store on Saturdays all the time), nor are there laws that force people to work on Saturday. Many people are "forced" by their employers to work on days they don't want to work on. In fact, members of my own family were "forced" to work on Sunday. Of course, they could get another job, and their employer's policies are not law.

<<<Also, Russia does not allow rest on Saturday, they force bible believing christians to go to school then >>>

lol. Oh no! Kids are forced to go to school! It's Russia, they don't accomodate the minority's religious beliefs (neither do we when we don't allow Muslim students to pray 5 times a day in class). I think they should probably allow kids to take Saturday off if it is required by their beliefs, but the country is run by a former KGB officer. What do you expect?

<<<But what you missed the point, people are TRYING to get a law passed. And people support the idea.>>>

No one is trying to pass a law that would force people to work on Saturdays and worship on Sundays.

God Bless.

But if the law was sadi to keep Sunday as a rest day, than that would mean minorities that kept Saturday would be looked as trouble makers. And wouldn't be aloud to take the day off's.

-Matt

There is no basis for that conlcusion. Adventists are not in danger of being forced by law to work on Saturdays. If you are interested in actual prophecy being fulfilled, look at the Nation of Israel being restablished as a nation. Also, look at how all the instruments needed for the rituals of the Temple are ready (Revelation 11:1-2). Or the increase of earthquakes and natural disasters (Matthew 24:7-8), the emphasis on a one-world economy/government (Revelation 13:3-7), the Iran-Russia alliance against Israel (Ezekiel 38), etc.

God Bless

First, that prophecy was actually for an earlier already fulfilled event where Isreal came back to their homeland. It was not about the end of time.


Anyways, the point is that Sunday Laws are trying to be passed all the time and more and more people are talking about the sabbath and keeping it holy, unfortunalty they think it's Sunday. So they try to get bills passed that will re-enforce the sabbath.

You say that SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE isn't in the constitution, but it is recognised. And the fact that our governement is slowly leaning to combine them again, is VERY scary.

-Matt

<<<First, that prophecy was actually for an earlier already fulfilled event where Isreal came back to their homeland. It was not about the end of time.>>>

Israel is described in Revelation, along with the Temple. Also, Ezekiel 38 predicted that Russia and Iran would attack Israel. For all these things to occur, Israel must exist.

<<<Anyways, the point is that Sunday Laws are trying to be passed all the time and more and more people are talking about the sabbath and keeping it holy, unfortunalty they think it's Sunday. So they try to get bills passed that will re-enforce the sabbath.>>>

Sunday laws are not trying to be passed in the U.S. at all. No laws have been passed to force people to work on Saturdays. There really is nothing to base these ideas on.

<<<You say that SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE isn't in the constitution,>>>

Correct.

<<<but it is recognised.>>>

By liberals and secular progressive atheist groups like the Freedom from Religion Foundation. The idea of this 'impenetrable wall of separation' is an idea not found in the Constituion (at least the way people use the phrase today). The State and the Church are separate, but that doesn't mean the State cannot recognise the majority's religion (Ten Commandment monuments, crosses at Arlington etc), nor does it mean the local governments can't taylor the local schools to give good religious education (like a Bible class in schools). We've done these things for 100's of years, no one thought it was a violation before.

God Bless

That's what I mean, it was an earlier attack by Russia and Iran back a long while ago in history when Isreal was a nation.

Yea, no one forces Saturday worship because it's MINORITY, Sunday is MAJORITY and as you said, the government serves the MAJORITY. And research online, lots of laws are tried to be passed.

Actually the did, just not in such ammount as it is now.

-Matt

<<<That's what I mean, it was an earlier attack by Russia and Iran back a long while ago in history when Isreal was a nation.>>>

Please cite. With a full explanation.

<<<Yea, no one forces Saturday worship because it's MINORITY, Sunday is MAJORITY and as you said, the government serves the MAJORITY. And research online, lots of laws are tried to be passed.>>>

Theists are a majority too (a 90% majority), but no one honestly believes atheism will be outlawed. The point is that you are claiming that the Sabbath is playing a major role in current events leading up to prophetical fulfillment. There is no evidence that the Sabbath is playing any major role in current events, nor is there any prophecy regarding Sabbath observance.


<<<Actually the did, just not in such ammount as it is now.>>>

Really? Please cite. I'd be curious just how many people thought so in the late 1700's and early 1800's.

God Bless

That's your opinion, i've already shown from the bible what I believe to be prophecy relating to the Sabbath at the end of time.

I will, I'm researching. Understand, I have other things in my life more important than this. So it's hard to always get verses and material off the top of my hat. lol

[quote]Really? Please cite. I'd be curious just how many people thought so in the late 1700's and early 1800's.[/quote

Well, technically, Blue laws came into effect arround the middle of the 1700's and people were very SUNDAY oriented, so they didn't mind. Arround the mid-1800's groups started to form that were oposed to Blue Laws. One group was the Adventist movement. And they were persecuted for a short time because of working on Sunday's in fields.

-Matt

Although, I believe, that, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are men of God, I believe that, they don't understand endtime prophecy.

Pope John Paul 11, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have called for re-instituting the Sunday, or, "Blue Laws." They are, still, on the books in 26 states. In Virginia, the third infraction meant death!

Although, I support activity by Christians in politics, it is easy to cross the line. We cannot legislate morality. We preach the Gospel, so that, the Lord will change hearts. When hearts are changed, morality changes from the inside/out.

The Sabbath issue, will play a major role in the endtime. Does this sound far-fetched? How about a tree in the garden, detemining the fate of all mankind?

Just as in the garden, it is a question of allegiance. Is our allegiance to the "Mother of harlots" (the apostate Catholic/Protestant religious system, as seen in Rev17), or to the Word of God, alone?

We will, all, have to make a choice. We are presenting this information, in order, to arm our brothers and sisters with the truth.

Ulysses S. Grant said, "Leave the matter of religious teaching to the family altar, the church and the private school supported, entirely, by private contribution. Keep the church and state forever separated."

Yes, it is scary how people are trying to FORCE religious legislation. And I can see how the Sabbath is the Seal of God, and with that knowlege it's easy to see how the Sabbath would fit into Bible Prophecy.

Sorry about not responding, yes, it can be scary, if your not reading your Bible. Because if you are, than you realize how Christ has promised to protect his people and to never leave us. Even when we feel he has, we must remember that he HASN'T.

Now, to just make this clear, if you keep Sunday as the sabbath now, you do not have the Mark of the Beast on you. lol

It hasn't come to that point yet. Only when you are FORCED to choose by law, will you either have God's Seal or Satan's.

However, if you have seen that the Sabbath is Saturday, but are fighting this knowledge because you don't think it will work, be warned, God does not overlook someone's ignorance, if they have none.

So, if you have seen what day the true Sabbath is, I beg that you listen to the Holy Spirit speak to you.


Your Brother In Christ,
Matt