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Title: What Zoids Don't You Like?


Steve - November 17, 2004 12:12 PM (GMT)
Yeah... we all love Zoids here, but exactly what Zoids do you not like, and why? Here are mine...



Geno Breaker

It's ugly, and overrated, and barely resembles a Tyrannosaur. It's very in-efficiantly designed, with un-even armour didstibution and weapons that are fixed directly foreword. On top of that, Raven pilots it. We all know I hate this Zoid, moving on now...


Blade Liger

Also overrated, and kinda weird looking. I just don't like it... the teeth are too close togeather, so they just look like buck-teeth rather then saber teeth. It looks like its grinning, and I don't like how they're animated. On top of that, Van pilots one. Plus, I don't like blue Zoids with orange cockpits. Therestoomanyofthemgoddamnit!!!

Energy Liger

I prefer Zoids that actually look like the animal they're based on. Dark Horn pulls this look off well. So do Berserk Fury, Iron Kong, Zaber Fang and various others. Energy Liger, however, like Geno Breaker, only barely resembles the animal that it's based on. There's just too much clutter on it... the guns, the blades, the horn, the energy charger and the tubes... ick. If you took that stuff off, it'd look okay, but with it all on, it's just ugly. Plus, its too fast and twinky. *Hisses at it*

Koenig Wolf

Another popular Zoid that annoys me just by being popular. Plus, I'm sick of seeing it pop up in fanfiction as an uber Zoid, and stuff. And its DSR isn't a sniper rifle, which is stupid. If it's CALLED a sniper rifle, then it should BE a sniper rifle. The missile pods are too boxy, IMO... they don't go along with its sleekness.


Buster Eagle

It's pretty, buuut... its cannons! They don't belong on it... at least they don't look like they should. They look better on giggles.


Gairyuki


This Zoid, I used to be merely indifferent towards. Now I hate its freakin' robotic guts. Just too many things about it irritate me... firt off, it's blue and orange. I ******* HATE blue and orange now, after seeing it on so many Zoids. On top of that, it's yet another CPCing theropod of d00m. THREE IS ENOUGH. We don't need four! It's two cliches in one! Blue and orange, plus dino-of-doomness. On top of that, its only weapon is its CPC. SO it can move while using it. Big deal! So can the Geno Breaker! Its severly lacking long distance weaponry- its only support weapons are gekkous little wimpy machine guns. It's slow as molasses compared to the other T-Rex types. It can wear BE's cannons, but they look TERRIBLE on it. The colours don't match, and they're too big and cumbersome... on top of that, it's name sucks too. "Gairyuki" is too Japanese sounding. All the other Zoids either have random names, (Gojulas, gordos, Storch), have German names, (Schneider, Jaeger, Panzer, Fuehrer, Sturm, Koenig, etc) or are named after their animal. (Command Wolf, SHield Liger, Saber Lion, etc). Gairyuki doesn't fit into this pattern. It's the only Zoid I can think of with a Japanese sounding name. It sticks out, like a sore, broken, swollen, bloody thumb. ON TOP OF THAT... they replaced THE BEST ZOID IN THE WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD, the Berserk Fury, with... that... HORRIBLE...thing.


Death Stinger

I just hate how it was used in the anime... it died... then it came back to life... then it died, and came back to life... then it died AGAIN... ugh. Its colour scheme sucks too. Black and red would've been better for a d00m ZOid then blue and red.

Jet Falcon

I hate this thing too... I don't like the buster claws, or the colour scheme on either of them. The fact that poor old Liger Zero is STUCK having to combine with this stupid thing... Tomy should make another CAS for LZ, to make up for this crappy mistake...


...M'kay. Time for others to rant now.

Tilly - November 17, 2004 12:39 PM (GMT)
I'm feeling rambley, and you just dissed two of my favorite Zoids. so you get a ramble. HAH.

Gairyuuki IS Japanese. It's even written 凱龍輝 on the box. It's proper Japanese with meaning, though, not kewlzies. I've yet to see anyone use something as obscure as 凱 in kewlzies Japanese.

It's probably my favorite theropod of its class, too...yeah, other things are blue and orange, but it wears it so well. I love the shiny biiiiiits-they're always sparkley, even in low light. Krark was the same color as the other Red Zoids, and you don't complain about that...it's all in how colors look.

Its only main weapon is the CPC because it was designed to kill Seismo. That's what it needed, that's what it got. It's no sillier than the Schneider being all blades. And I say the cannons look good on it if you move the wingy bits. They're a heck of a lot better-looking there than on Buster Fury...that thing bugs me.

There, I found something I don't really like! It's just too darn BUSY, like it's going to slice off its own cannons or wings, or the wings are gonna smack into things, or...

Liger Zero Falcon looks good animated and in the fanbooks, but the real model...bleah. It's boring colors and I don't like it as a CAS at all. The Hasbro and Tomy Fuzors-y ones, on the other hand, look nice as just Jet Falcon. I'll probably get those.

And Energy Liger...I'm not going to bother rambling again...I'll just say do NOT judge that thing until you've built it. It looks 50 times better (and a lot less busy) in person, is a blast to build, and the walk, MAN...it's twice as fast as Liger Zero, easily. I thought it looked dumb at first from photos too...

Oh, yeah. Storch is German, and it apparently means "stork".

ZeroFalcon - November 17, 2004 02:09 PM (GMT)
Not to mention that the Gojulas, if you change it to Gojuras, is remarkably similar to the Japanses name for Godzilla, Gojira... <_<

I agree with Tilly on the E-Liger and Gairyuuki... though I actually like the LZF model.

I like the Koenig Wolf. Not because everybody else does though. I just like the thing, preferably the FZ-002... but, then again, I also like the Brachio Zilla (heck, it is practically a BLOX Geno crossed with a Deathsaurer... It has boosters on the rear feet... the cannons on the back... apparently a flamethrower... and is rather upright...)

Hmmm....

Van's Blade Liger

Now, I like OTHER Blade Ligers, but Cheeze Grater Abs of D00M Liger just annoys me. How can it be launched out of a railgun that normally fires a huge shell of planetacerite (spelling?) without being fried!?!?!?

Besides that, I have a spot in my heart for all Zoids... even the Gairus :wub:





Sky Dragon - November 17, 2004 02:19 PM (GMT)
A-f*ing-men, dude...Blade Liger's okay...preferably toe Black Impact Teams model. The Red one's okay, but...off. Red's supposed to be an Imperial color, dangit!
Cheese Liger(thanks Steve) sucks. I hate it with a passion. Ditto with Energy Liger and GenoBreaker...they're just fugly.

I disagree on Gairyuuki. Okay, it's slower than a Berserk Fuhrer. However, it remains faster than both GenoSaurer and Dark Spiner. both of which are also kewlzies...and 290's still not that bad.
It's also impervious to Beam Attacks, and the silver Special Edition Buster Cannons (those that're supposed to go on P-Giggles) look good on it.
Unlike CheeseLiger, Gary wears blue well.

Zero Falcon's okay. Looks too much like it's trying to copycat the Berserk Fuhrer. Looks less like a Zoid than an actual fighter jet. Except with giant eggbeaters.

I gotta go, I'll finish this rant later.

Tilly - November 17, 2004 03:57 PM (GMT)
Like I said...Energy Liger photographs like crud. Think like...ID photos. You know how they're almost always very unflattering? EL has that curse. It can't be properly appreciated unless seen in person and held in the hand.

Model Blade Liger, I love. It's all pointy and FINNY. The anime...blah. I like the Fuzors one, though, since it's properly finny (the white bits even frill out, eeh) and it has a more manic skittery run cycle that suits it much better.

ZeroFalcon - November 17, 2004 05:25 PM (GMT)
Yes, the Energy Liger is very nice in person... I don't own one, but a freind does...

Hmm, now that I think about it... the Raynos model is very poor... those legs look rather poor dangling down, and its wing's aren't level unless you grab your knife and cut. I did modify mine to have level wings, as well as cut some bits of the wings so that they can fold. Hasbro Command Wolf ACs seem to have problems with their back hardpoint and the attack unit. My Gunsniper's Machine Guns don't stay on the wrists anymore (but, then again, it WAS my first model...). Brachio Tortise's missile launcher points at the back of the head. The Blox are waayyy to easy to build. Tomy INSISTS on coloring the panel lines on the boxes.

Steve - November 17, 2004 08:37 PM (GMT)
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I'm feeling rambley, and you just dissed two of my favorite Zoids. so you get a ramble. HAH.

Gairyuuki IS Japanese. It's even written MP on the box. It's proper Japanese with meaning, though, not kewlzies. I've yet to see anyone use something as obscure as M in kewlzies Japanese.


That still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't fit in with the other Zoids... I mean, when you stick its name in with a buch of other ZOids, it... just... doesn't... fit...
EXAMPLE!

Liger Zero
Gojulas Giga
Koenig Wolf
Hel Digunner
Gairyuki
Geno Breaker
Fire Phoenix


...The Japanese-ness... just doesn't work for a Zoid.


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It's probably my favorite theropod of its class, too...yeah, other things are blue and orange, but it wears it so well. I love the shiny biiiiiits-they're always sparkley, even in low light. Krark was the same color as the other Red Zoids, and you don't complain about that...it's all in how colors look.


True, but the OER were all split into red and blue factions. The Zoids of today seem to have more variation in colour schemes, and seeing blue and orange OVER and OVER just pisses me off.


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And I say the cannons look good on it if you move the wingy bits. They're a heck of a lot better-looking there than on Buster Fury...that thing bugs me.
There, I found something I don't really like! It's just too darn BUSY, like it's going to slice off its own cannons or wings, or the wings are gonna smack into things, or...


I still think they're too big for it... Gary just doesn't look like it'd be able to withstand the recoil.

Meh, I'm not a big fan of Buster Fury either... I prefer Ventriloquist Fury... puppetofd00m! They should release a Diloforce with lavender bits, to match the Fury's colours.

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Like I said...Energy Liger photographs like crud. Think like...ID photos. You know how they're almost always very unflattering? EL has that curse. It can't be properly appreciated unless seen in person and held in the hand.


Meh, I don't have an Energy Liger model, but I have one in ZBL, and I can examine it any time at will... I still think its too cluttered and un-lion like.


As for the Gary vs. Fury-ness... another reason Gary bugs me is that it just... isn't... scary enough.

Take a look at both Gary and Berserk Fury in CPC mode, with their armour all puffed out.

With its claws open and its armour raised, Berserk Fury seems to be going "RRRAAAAGGGGHHHH! I'M GONNA KEEEEEEEEEEL YOOOOUUU! DIEDIEDIEDIE!!!"

Gary, on the other hand, with its rediculous overbite and its...lack of over all ebil-grrr-kewlzies-ness, just looks like its going "Duhhhrrrr? Um... CPC, fire! ..and stuff..."

The Fury just does a better job of being imposing...


ZeroFalcon - November 17, 2004 08:46 PM (GMT)
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As for the Gary vs. Fury-ness... another reason Gary bugs me is that it just... isn't... scary enough.


Since when is a NJR Republican Zoids scary? Ehhh? The Liger Zero doesn't look very scary, does it?

Steve - November 17, 2004 08:55 PM (GMT)
I think it looks kinda vicious... with the "angry eyes" and the fangs and whatnot... its certainly meaner looking then Blade Liger...

Sky Dragon - November 17, 2004 09:03 PM (GMT)
CONTINUATION:

I find ficness to be irrelevent when judging a Zoid, b/c authors always use those they like. When I judge a Zoid I judge it on:
Versatility, How it looks, how I like the colors, and (where applicable) how it's animated...in the JAPANESE version.

Koenig Wolf is no more "uber-kewlzies" than Shadow Fox...In fact, Shadow Fox seems moreso. And I think they both rock anyway.

Death Stinger...well, Zoids like that are always misused in the anime. But I, for my part, like the Death Stinger...I just hate Hiltz. and I hate its original paint. BLACK AND RED, DANGIT! BLACK AND RED! LOOK FRIGGIN' EVIL!

And I love Buster Eagle. it happens to be the only airborne Blox that can hold its own against a vast majority of Zoids...like Storm Sworder, and CheeseLiger.
Plus, it looks kickass kewlzies...As to the Cannons, well...does Salamander look that good with a CP-10? And they don't seem to have that much recoil. If the Fuhrer could take it, why not the Gairyuuki, which is pretty much the same Zoid.

And Republic Zoids are NOT supposed to look scary...that's why Geno, Spiner, Fuhrer, E-Liger, D-Saurer and others are all Imperial.
And why B-Liger, Dibison, Raynos, etc...are Republic.

And, like all Gojulas, Giggles looks best when sporting a CP-10, and that's irrefutable. The BE's Buster Cannons are too small for Giggles, mounting those makes it it look silly...See links below:

Bottom pic shows Giggles with BE-Buster Cannons

Bottom pic shows Giggles with CP-10

Steve - November 17, 2004 09:40 PM (GMT)
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And Republic Zoids are NOT supposed to look scary...that's why Geno, Spiner, Fuhrer, E-Liger, D-Saurer and others are all Imperial.
And why B-Liger, Dibison, Raynos, etc...are Republic.


True, but Tyrannosaurs are classified as "scary" animals. They can't be classified under "noble", or "elegant" as well as scary, like a Lion can... they just can't pull off looking non-evil and looking good at the same time. Trying to make a Tyrannosaur un-scary while still retaining its coolness is an exersise in futility. The scaryness is what makes a T-Rex cool. Gairyuki is an un-scary T-Rex, therefore it's not a cool one.

Tilly - November 17, 2004 09:55 PM (GMT)
It can look pissed off just fine. *points to the fanbook* I wish it weren't so shiny...I tried taking photos, but it reflected too much.

BF looks like an angry cat with the armor puffed out. They all do. *snicker*

ZeroFalcon - November 17, 2004 09:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Steve @ Nov 17 2004, 03:40 PM)
True, but Tyrannosaurs are classified as "scary" animals. They can't be classified under "noble", or "elegant" as well as scary, like a Lion can... they just can't pull off looking non-evil and looking good at the same time. Trying to make a Tyrannosaur un-scary while still retaining its coolness is an exersise in futility. The scaryness is what makes a T-Rex cool. Gairyuki is an un-scary T-Rex, therefore it's not a cool one.

For your own safety, please add an IM(H)O on the end of the bold part. PLEASE. I don't want to have to tear you apart. :P Is there any rule that states that to look cool, something must look evil? If you follow that train of thought, than the Genobreaker MUST be SOMEWHAT cool, and I KNOW that you wouldn't want that to happen, would you?

MrGuy - November 17, 2004 10:03 PM (GMT)
I dislike a few zoids... but none really worth mentioning. Except one, which I shall mention. Iguan. It needs to die, now. That joke was funny the first five times... now it's just been run into the ground. If one must recycle that joke, use something new and cooler. Like Gator. Gator pwns Iguan.

Also... the zoids that are known to be "ueber kewlzies" are starting to lose their popularity. What happens when Blade Liger and Genobreaker are no longer popular? What happens when the likes of Iguan (*shudders*) and Gator rule the charts? Will everyone then go back to liking Blade Ligers?

Steve - November 17, 2004 10:10 PM (GMT)
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For your own safety, please add an IM(H)O on the end of the bold part. PLEASE. I don't want to have to tear you apart. Is there any rule that states that to look cool, something must look evil? If you follow that train of thought, than the Genobreaker MUST be SOMEWHAT cool, and I KNOW that you wouldn't want that to happen, would you?


The thing is, though, that Geno Breakers aren't scary. They look like mutated roosters, what with the ruff and the tail feathery looking boosters... and when the blades are folded back, the X-breakers look like folded wings. Chickens aren't scary, thus breakers aren't scary either, and thus, are not cool. Likewise, things don't have to look evil to be cool... Guysaks aren't scary, for example, but they look cool... the fact is, Tyrannosaurs need to be scary to be cool because the scareyness is all a Tyrannosaur really has going for it. Tyrannosaurs can't pull off being noble, or elegant, or cute. Scareyness is the only feature a T-Rex has to fall back on, and when that's taken away from them, they suck.


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What happens when Blade Liger and Genobreaker are no longer popular?


They start obsessing over Gary and the Legendary Tigers. :ph43r:



Sky Dragon - November 17, 2004 10:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tilly @ Nov 17 2004, 03:55 PM)
It can look pissed off just fine. *points to the fanbook* I wish it weren't so shiny...I tried taking photos, but it reflected too much.

BF looks like an angry cat with the armor puffed out. They all do. *snicker*

Take it into a well-lit room, or outside on a sunny day...and don't use a flash.

I like Gairyuuki. AND Berserk Fuhrer

Tilly - November 17, 2004 11:31 PM (GMT)
I did, and the blasted thing got shiny from the sun.

And hey, I have Gator Guy in teamsfic! Joke aside, Iguan's such a fun little wind-up. I should get a few more of them, just to have a pack.

Anywayyy...um. I also get annoyed at how Fire Phoenix likes to lose its beak, does that count? Although I really like Fire Phoenix itself now that I put it on my TV. It looks so much happier and birdlike there...

Even if it's pink.

Steve - November 17, 2004 11:41 PM (GMT)
Pink? Nahhh... I think it looks more orangey/peachish...


...*Reads Iguan stuff*

Aieee... I put a killer Iguan in ZO... it took out a heldigunner and a command wolf, and almost took down Liger Zero too...


Speaking of Zoids Odyssey... Now I'm gonna have to have the Berserk Fury whup a Gairyuki at some point... :ph43r:

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It can look pissed off just fine. *points to the fanbook*



I'll be the judge of that... :P

I haven't seen the fanbook... but I doubt I'll be swayed, since they just take pics of the models... and from the pics I've seen on your site and Pheno's, pissed off Gary just... doesn't look pissed off. It's hard to seem pissed off when you don't have clearly visible eyes to express the pissed---off...ness. Garys in general are bad at conveying emotion... Furys can look pissed off, psychotic, or evilly amused, but Garys can't do those things...

Regardless, I'd still like to see these pics...

MrGuy - November 17, 2004 11:44 PM (GMT)
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And hey, I have Gator Guy in teamsfic! Joke aside, Iguan's such a fun little wind-up. I should get a few more of them, just to have a pack.

Is that fic up? I remember you PMing me an excerpt from it with the gurgling Gator. I really liked it... but I believe you said it wasn't up. Is it now?

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...*Reads Iguan stuff*

Aieee... I put a killer Iguan in ZO... it took out a heldigunner and a command wolf, and almost took down Liger Zero too...

If you have its corpse prayed on upon by a Gator, all shall be forgiven. Better yet, just have Gator kill everything. Heck, firing all barrels of its vulcan at the same time could tear through even the thickest armor quickly...

Atrophy Within - November 17, 2004 11:49 PM (GMT)
Blade Liger
Liger Zero
Raynos
Berserk Fury
Gairyuki
Death Stinger
Koenig Wolf (Almost typed Warrior.. hehe.. *hides from KW)
Death Saurer
Gun Sniper
Shield Liger
And any other STUPID, worthless, overrated peice of crap.

I will not post my reasons since they will probubly cause a massively vicious arguement. Seeing as how my opinions of these Zoids are rather... hateful and mocking to those who DO like them. I know some people know I like the Geno Breaker, but if you follow the fic I am writing, you will not to me it's not uber or powerful in the slightest... I need to update and post the rest of the 10 chapters I made so far.. hehehe... *gets really lazy*

Tilly - November 17, 2004 11:59 PM (GMT)
Shield Liger = my favorite Zoid. *pokes you with stick*

Gairyuuki does have eyes, Steve :p. They go more glowy in pics, like Gojulas suddenly gains visible ones and goes from looking kinda silly to looking bitey.

And no, teamsfic is not anywhere close to done...but the Gator keeps beating increasingly powerful opponents. It'll have to make a cameo in IRBWC too...

Steve - November 18, 2004 12:06 AM (GMT)
I know Garys have eyes... :rolleyes: they're under the orange cockpit glass... but they're not very noticable. You can only see them if you look reeeaaal closely and kinda squint. Like I said, its hard to look scary when you have no visible eyes... and a HUGE, hick-like overbite. :lol:

Colodie - November 18, 2004 02:28 AM (GMT)
The only Zoid I don't like is Zabat. It's annoying to put together, it isn't motorized except for it's bomb thing, it has a wing flapping action that doesn't actually work..., and probably some other stuff.

And personally I prefer Gairyuki over Berserk Fuehrer because I just don't like it's eggbeaters of doom... Especially since they are made out of soft plastic and look floopy and yeah...

Now if I got CP-27 and got rid of the eggbeaters of doom I might change my mind...

Also, Gary has a partner for odd names. Gungyarados.

And the fanbook scans..., I will scan those if you like. Sometime. Soonish.

Steve - November 18, 2004 02:32 AM (GMT)
Oh yeah... I forgot about Gungy... all right, two ZOids with Japanese sounding names. Gairyuki still stick out though, cause Gun Gyarados has english in it...

Although I have yet to actually find the word "Gyarados" in any Japanese dictionaries... I've checked every one I've seen and never found the meaning. It can't be dragon, 'cause ryu means dragon...

I'm pretty sure the X-breakers on the Sturm unit are of the same soft plastic as the Fury's buster claws... I know the arms are the same.

Tilly - November 18, 2004 02:40 AM (GMT)
ryuu. But gya is a rather Japanese-y sound...there's got to be an origin for it and the Pokemon, dangit. Somewhere out there, there's some obscure word or story or something...

Oh. The pointy bits are sort plastic, but don't suffer for it. The stupid boosters like to droop...or one side does. It cracked...seems that's a common problem. Sturm Tyrann is...meh. Pointy, at least.

Colodie - November 18, 2004 04:59 AM (GMT)
Here's a picture of one Gary from the fanbook/instructions. I think it's the one Tilly's talking about.

Big picture

Small picture

Steve - November 18, 2004 05:04 AM (GMT)
Hm. It has dramatic lighting... but Gary itself doesn't look very pissed off/insane/pointy/vicios... and that's a pretty wimpy looking beam... its so small...

Tilly - November 18, 2004 05:36 AM (GMT)
Hrm...there's one other one where it looks more annoyed, I think...maybe it's somewhere else. But if said beam is so wimpy, how come it took down Seismo with it?

You just hate it because it replaced BF. You should hate Gojulas Giga, then, because it replaced Gojulas :p.

Celebmacil - November 18, 2004 06:11 AM (GMT)
I'd think that Gilvader would fit into the "odd naming convention" category too... not a clue at all where that came from. x.x


I like all the Zoids to some degree or another so far as I can think... I'd love to have every single variation of every model ever made. >.<

Not that it's gonna happen, but yeah...

Tilly - November 18, 2004 06:14 AM (GMT)
Yeah. It's the same kana as in Guilmon, I think, and no one can really agree where his name came from either.

Steve - November 18, 2004 11:57 AM (GMT)
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You just hate it because it replaced BF. You should hate Gojulas Giga, then, because it replaced Gojulas :P.



But I like Gojulas Giga more then Gojulas... and yes, I do hate it 'cause it replaced BF, plus several other perfeclty valid reasons.

1. I hate blue and orange.
2. It isn't scary.
3. It has a stupid name.
4. It just looks STUPID.
5. Every weapons configuration avaliable for it (buster cannons, dispellow, evo flyer) don't look any good on it
6. It sucks in close combat

...Etc. Hell, I hate this thing now almost as much as Geno Breaker...


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But if said beam is so wimpy, how come it took down Seismo with it?


It just looks so small... more like a charged particle sneeze then a charged particle beam. :P In prectically every other pic I've seen of a CPB, the beam is HUGE... it fills the Zoids entire mouth... that beam is barely wider then the cannon...

...and it took down seismo because a CPB, regardless of size, eats through armour like its nothing... they coulda used any CPCing zoid of d00m with the same results. Seismo's unshielded, and slow. Unshielded+slow=CPCfodder. They wouldn't have needed to even make gary, a Geno or a Fury would've done the job just fine. Hell, if they were smart and aimed for a joint or the belly or something, they coulda kille the damn thing with a Diloforce.

Sir Maverick - November 18, 2004 12:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Steve @ Nov 18 2004, 06:57 AM)
5. Every weapons configuration avaliable for it (buster cannons, dispellow, evo flyer) don't look any good on it

They probably wouldn't look so bad if they released some sort of combo pack with all available things in a matching color scheme.

Tilly - November 18, 2004 01:01 PM (GMT)
A Geno or Fury would go the way of the Liger Zero Phoenix or Giggles before it got in range. Giggles has an e-shield too, it went roasty. It's the absorb-y thing that saved Gairyuuki. It's specialized.

Rather like Liger Zero, really. Stick on Evo Flyer, get a faster thing with a few extra guns. Stick on Dispelow, get a more armored/overgunned...thing...

Then again, I don't understand why one must have such hatred directed towards somehing, any more than I get Bit bashers.

Steve - November 18, 2004 01:06 PM (GMT)
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The base was totally surprised, and when the entrance was opened, a Gojulas Giga entered, followed by a huge army...but suddenly, a long beam hit the Gojulas Giga, cutting its head. It was Seismosaurus...another Gojulas Giga entered, but was also immediately killed.



...It just sounds like seismo was picking them off as they came in through the door, catching them off guard before they could use their shields... *scoffs* Giggles killer my ass... just 'cause it takes 'em down when they're off guard doesn't make it "The anti giggles"... it's like a guy sitting on a lawn chair in front of his door sipping a martini, shooting people down as they walk in.

*Gojulas Giga stomps into base*

GG: All right, time to kill some Zenebas sc- *Is zapped*

*Another Gojulas and a bunch of Liger Zero phoenix enter*

GG2: Wha? WTF happened her- *Is also zapped*

*LZP are all wtf, attack seismo and become cannon fodder for no apparent reason other then to make seismo seem more uber*


...Yeah. That really seems like a plot device to me... the battle story can be just as dumb as the anime, it seems... it's just another case of a Zoid forgetting it has something so that it can get its ass kicked and make the other guy look cool. Just like holo kitty and the gol hex that forgot about its uber sensors, and the Fury in the tomy promo/ZBL opening cinematic that forgot about its eggbeaters.

Retaliation - November 18, 2004 02:47 PM (GMT)
Zoids I don't like:

Anything that is NOT the annoyingly uber-popular Zoids (Bladey, Shield Liger, KW, etc.)

While there may be hordes of people out there who like these Zoids just because they look cool, I happen to like them simply because they're kick ass when used right.

Sure, you can kick ass in an Iguan or Gator too, but what's the point? Spending twenty minutes hammering away at a little Helcat, the same Helcat that a Fuhrer could decimate just by sneezing on it? As much as it pains me to follow the line of uber-popular Zoids, I'm not the kind of guy who uses a Zoid just because it isn't popular and I don't like to be known as 'another guy with a Fuhrer'.

And, no offense to the ranters in this topic, but I find the 'I hate this Zoid just because everybody uses it' attitude just...ungodly annoying to read, time and again. While I get annoyed seeing everybody using the same damn Blox all the time, it just makes it all the more satisfying for me to pound them into oblivion in battle. :D

However, the one Zoid I truely cannot stand:

Molga

Small, fugly, useless, lacking in weapons, speed, and useability options as well. There is no point to the thing's existience at all save to provide endless rounds of cannon fodder for various high-level Zoids.... :angry:

Steve - November 18, 2004 02:51 PM (GMT)
*Points to ZBL*

Molgas can be really, REALLY hard to beat... especially when they hide under your Zoid, and attack in big groups... they're easy to kill but they're ANNOYING as hell...

Retaliation - November 18, 2004 02:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Steve @ Nov 18 2004, 08:51 AM)
*Points to ZBL*

Molgas can be really, REALLY hard to beat... especially when they hide under your Zoid, and attack in big groups... they're easy to kill but they're ANNOYING as hell...

Hence, they are 'cannon fodder'.

Cannon fodder = Annoying and small, which means hen in large groups their annoyance factor is multiplied.

Tilly - November 18, 2004 03:00 PM (GMT)
But can anything else crawl like an inchworm? A lot of the obscure things I like are one that the models are just plain cool, like Molga or Helcat or Storch. I appreciate them for their engineering the same way I do, say Energy Liger or Death Saurer. And the fact that they're obscure makes them more fun to write, because you don't see them as often, and there's more stuff to try that hasn't been done to death.

Mmm, Molga...

Or Bear Fighter! There's an underrated design. But it's so cool...

Oh, yeah. Raynos' wing annoyed me too...although the Holotech one looks neat enough to make up for it. I wonder why the blue one goes for so much more...

Steve - November 18, 2004 03:00 PM (GMT)
Yes... cannon fodder ust DIE... the anime makes destroying cannon fodder look so easy, but it's haaarrrd... harded then an ueber Zoid... I can take down a Death Saurer in an Elephander SS with just one well aimed sword swipe, but Molgas just REFUSE to die...

Retaliation - November 18, 2004 03:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Steve @ Nov 18 2004, 09:00 AM)
Yes... cannon fodder ust DIE... the anime makes destroying cannon fodder look so easy, but it's haaarrrd... harded then an ueber Zoid... I can take down a Death Saurer in an Elephander SS with just one well aimed sword swipe, but Molgas just REFUSE to die...

Elephander is cool...small or not. :P

But yeah, I can appreciate Molga's engineering...but a well-engineered machine that still can't fight worth crap is still useless cannon fodder in the end (points to the first British tanks from WWI, which were damn-well designed to do what they did for the era, but were still crap).

Bear Fighter...looks nice, can actually fight, but me, I'll stick to my Kung-Fu Sniper. :lol:




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