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Twilit Libra - June 25, 2008 01:53 AM (GMT)
I was wondering if anyone would be able to provide me with these three dates:

The party that 2-A held for Negi after finding out that they were in first place. aka the time when Chiu was first introduced.

The day after Ku:nel's tea party.

The day after Negi woke up from his training to obtain Dark Magic.

If you can't remember, just give me a rough time period, and that should be fine. Thanks in advance!

:lol:

Chachazero - June 25, 2008 02:03 AM (GMT)
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The party that 2-A held for Negi after finding out that they were in first place. aka the time when Chiu was first introduced.


I know that Chapter 11 took place on April 2nd. And the day before Class 3-A had their first day (Konoka's Wedding interview stuff) was April 7th. So I know it's somewhere in between. My best guess would be April 3rd or April 2nd.

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The day after Ku:nel's tea party.


The day AFTER? Well let's see, the last day of the festival is June 22nd. The tea party was on the second break day making it June 24th. The day after the tea party would be June 25th which is when Misora first started listening in on confessions.

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The day after Negi woke up from his training to obtain Dark Magic.


Well, September 8th was when Negi was fighting with Evangeline. The sun rose and it became September 9th which is when we got a look at many of the other people. The day after that would be September 10th.

Twilit Libra - June 25, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
Thank you! :lol:

Chachazero - June 25, 2008 02:54 AM (GMT)
Okay. Here's something I'd like to know:

Can anyone determine the day for Chapters 63-71. It's where Kotaro is brought to Mahora and !@#* goes down with Wilhelm.

Any way to determine the days where chapters 12-14 occur (12-Chisame, 13-Fuka+Fumika, 14-Ayaka)

The dates of the first five chapters would also be nice. I have a theory on it but I'd like confirmation.

Chapters 169-173, Asuna's training. All I know is that they occur on the same day.

Chapter 174, Yuna chapter. There's a day and a day after.

Well, that's all I can think of. Any help on these would be nice.

Hata - June 25, 2008 02:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Twilit Libra @ Jun 24 2008, 06:53 PM)
The party that 2-A held for Negi after finding out that they were in first place. aka the time when Chiu was first introduced.

The day after Ku:nel's tea party.

The day after Negi woke up from his training to obtain Dark Magic.

excerpts from my Negima timeline.

March
25 graduation ceremony, class 2-A 1st place party.

the date is clearly shown on Chisame's computer blog entry.

June
20-22 Mahora Festival.
23-24 Mahora post festival holidays.
23 3-A BBQ party
24 Albireo Ima's tea party under the library island, Negi learned the clue of Moondes Magicus.
25 Misora church confession booth opened for business.

Misora's church confession booth are marked by Bookstore's diary date. Al's tea party definitely takes place before that, and after the end of the festival and BBQ party, (via Eva'a remarks.)

September
08 at dawn Negi learns the dark magic, Fate's party arrive at Ostia.
09 Negi was briefed by Chisame on the status of the search for the rest of Negima,

Negi didn't get to Rakan's place until the 4th, the math works out this way.


Esperman - June 25, 2008 03:25 AM (GMT)
I forgot where I saw it, but there's a site (It may be that Japanese Negima Research society site, but I could be wrong...) that lists all the events that happen in most chapters with dates...

Chachazero - June 25, 2008 03:36 AM (GMT)
WHAAAAAT? MARCH 25th!? DAMN I WAS WAY OFF! DAMMIT! So then what were the dates before then?

Hata - June 25, 2008 04:31 AM (GMT)
the Wilhelm chapter is undated, but definitely between May 11th (vacationing at Yukihiro resort) and 26th (midterm).

the twins and Ayaka chapter are unclear, but it happens during spring break and sometimes between March 26th and April 7th, I actually think Ken made some mistakes here, because I have two separate timelines here, both works, depend on if you want to go with the pre/post Eva arc facts Ken listed in the story.

Asuna's training is also impossible to date, because we don't have the end of school year date for Spring Quarter, the only sure thing is it happens before July 27th, the date AA is established, a good guess will be between 20th and 25th. the same goes for Yuna's chapter.

the first 5 chapter most likely happens between 2002 July, to the middle of March 2003,

I had seen 7-8 different timelines in 3 different languages on the net, all of them have mistakes, the trick is to combine and check out the math to find the correct dates, and even Ken himself made mistakes in the story concerning about time, (all the moon phase in the story are wrong, totally.)

the timeline Esperman talking about is the one from the AK Research Lab, which is about 90-95% correct during the pre-MW arc, however, it is only about 60% correct for the MW arc, I use it as a reference, I don't trust it as it is,


Esperman - June 25, 2008 04:48 AM (GMT)
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the timeline Esperman talking about is the one from the AK Research Lab, which is about 90-95% correct during the pre-MW arc, however, it is only about 60% correct for the MW arc, I use it as a reference, I don't trust it as it is,


I haven't seen the list in quite a while...

But I guess it shouldn't be surprising that the MW arc is probably messing up a lot of people's calculations on what date a certain MW arc-related event happens...

kano - June 25, 2008 05:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Esperman @ Jun 24 2008, 11:48 PM)
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the timeline Esperman talking about is the one from the AK Research Lab, which is about 90-95% correct during the pre-MW arc, however, it is only about 60% correct for the MW arc, I use it as a reference, I don't trust it as it is,


I haven't seen the list in quite a while...

But I guess it shouldn't be surprising that the MW arc is probably messing up a lot of people's calculations on what date a certain MW arc-related event happens...

Hmm - not sure why - Ken seems to put dates on at least some of the pages when time goes all over the place ...

Chachazero - June 26, 2008 12:37 AM (GMT)
Hmmm...I got most of the dates right.

Before learning that Chapter 12 was in March 25, 2003 this is what I had.

March 25, 2003 Chapter 1
March 26, 2003 Chapter 2 + 3
March 27, 2003 Chapter 4
March 29, 2003 Chapter 5+6
March 30, 2003 Chapter 7 + 8
March 31, 2003 Chapter 9
April 1, 2003 Chapter 9 + 10
April 2, 2003 Chapter 11

The basis being that Chapter 11 was where Negi got his teacher's certificate which stated that as of April 2nd, Negi would be a full fledged teacher. I also remember on Chapter 7 Makie says that the Dodgeball game occurred "the other day". Though it would only work if the "other day" was yesterday.

By the way, Yue's broom race took place on September 11th right?

Hata - June 26, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chachazero @ Jun 25 2008, 05:37 PM)
By the way, Yue's broom race took place on September 11th right?

Yue's broom race took place on September 12th, you forgot to add one day for her special training.

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when Negi graduates, the outside has the look of summer, also, British/Wales education has a graduation time around June/July, which is why I list it as 2002, July, which is the date in most Japanese timeline, and I simply go with that.

it is also supported by Negi graduated early, and by counting the year he was born + time enters school + years spend in school, no doubt he graduates in 2002. he waits at least half a year before coming to Japan, which again is supported by Eva's statement that she has been waiting for him for half a year ever since knowing that he is coming.

when Negi arrives at Japan, the air in the morning is still cold enough to fog up, and everyone is wearing heavy cloak and scarf, no way it is March, but it is not snowing, and no mentioning of valentine day in the earlier chapter, so a logical deduction is it is late February,

notice you can not count backward from a reference date, if there is a "time lag", as there clearly are in the first few chapters, whenever Ken shows a time lag, there will be a panel of the exterior shot of the school, etc.

the problem of the date in April, is Japan education usually starts the school year on April 1st, (or the immediate Monday if 1st fall within a weekend.) and the spring vacation usually only last a week in the end of March,

by using that, and Negi's teacher certificate dated on April 2nd, since we know the last school year ends on the 25th, add 7 days then you have the start of the new school year on the 2nd, it fits neat and nicely and that is how I like it.

the problem is if you go by what Eva said at the beginning of the book 4, plus counting backward from the Kyoto arc, (which the date we know for sure), you have the school year starts on April 8th.

I do not like that calculation, that goes against all the Japan school calendar costume, not to mention it really conflicts with Negi's teacher certificate, (the date it took effect, not the date it was issued,) and that even conflicts with Ken's own writing (Chacha was activated on April 1st. the beginning of school year number 1.) but that is how Ken's data shows if you go by what happens after book 3,

btw, there is also noway Makie was bitten by Eva on a full moon in early April, I check the moon phase chart, and it is not full on either the 1st or 7th in 2003.


Chachazero - June 26, 2008 03:30 AM (GMT)
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QUOTE (Chachazero @ Jun 25 2008, 05:37 PM)
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By the way, Yue's broom race took place on September 11th right?



Yue's broom race took place on September 12th, you forgot to add one day for her special training.


But wasn't Negi treated on September 1st? Ten days after would be September 11 in chapter 211.

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the problem is if you go by what Eva said at the beginning of the book 4, plus counting backward from the Kyoto arc, (which the date we know for sure), you have the school year starts on April 8th.

I do not like that calculation, that goes against all the Japan school calendar costume, not to mention it really conflicts with Negi's teacher certificate, (the date it took effect, not the date it was issued,) and that even conflicts with Ken's own writing (Chacha was activated on April 1st. the beginning of school year number 1.) but that is how Ken's data shows if you go by what happens after book 3,


April 8th. Sounds about right. So he became a teacher in April 2nd and his class starts April 8th. What's wrong with that? Also, when does it say that April first was the beginning of School year #1? It's not like every school starts on April 1st does it? And where did it say that April 1st was the beginning of School year number 1?

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btw, there is also noway Makie was bitten by Eva on a full moon in early April, I check the moon phase chart, and it is not full on either the 1st or 7th in 2003.


Yeah, I call bullshit on that rule. I think Akamatsu only instilled that rule to keep Evangeline from immediately going afte Negi during the Evangeline arc.

Hata - June 26, 2008 04:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chachazero @ Jun 25 2008, 08:30 PM)
But wasn't Negi treated on September 1st?  Ten days after would be September 11 in chapter 211.

no, that is because the reference date from 210 is on the 9th when Yue got her string undies back, so on the 10th Yue was in the history class learning about AAA and Nagi, on the 11th Yue saw the race poster and started special training, 12th is the race day.

I have Negi fought Kagetaro and being treated on Aug 31st, btw.

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when does it say that April first was the beginning of School year #1?  It's not like every school starts on April 1st does it?  And where did it say that April 1st was the beginning of School year number 1?


no, because that doesn't make sense, Japan school year stars on the earliest possible April date is a rule that everyone knows, and if saying assign Negi as a teacher earlier is possibility, then why not some other days like March 25 or April 7th? why 2nd, when that is the only date which will work when plug in against a one week spring vacation from the known reference end of school date March 25th? not to mention it is the earliest possible April date? (a Monday, btw.)

Chacha was activated on the first, even if she was functional since the January of that year, now why would you active her earlier than needed? the same argument, if she is activated early, then why not some other days like March 31st? why that one date which make sense?

you can argue against all those factors, (Ken did not write them out explicitly, etc.) but when they all point to the same thing wouldn't you say it is a good possibility?

my theory is Ken really did not think the date is important until the start of book #4, that is why you have the fuzzy timeline for the first 2 books and the conflict date in book #3 when counting backward.


kano - June 26, 2008 06:14 AM (GMT)
Also don't forget the obvious.

It is fiction :)

... it doesn't have to adhere to real world events like the start of the school year and moon phases
OR ... maybe Ken's like most adults - no idea when the real school holidays are until you notice all these damn kids around the place and not at school :D :D :D

Chachazero - June 26, 2008 12:23 PM (GMT)
I would've simply argued that Mahora is different from the other Japanese schools. It's got more European influences for one, for another it's a mage built school. They'd probably be able to bend a few Japanese rules and get away with it.

Also Hata, you say you counted backwards from Book 4. I used Chapter 75 as a reference. Chachamaru's pics with Negi are lableled by date. So we can confirm that:

April 9 Took place in Chapter 18+19.
April 11 took place in Chapter 20.
April 15 took place in Chapters 23-25
April 28 took place in...not sure...having trouble finding that pic which matched it.
May 4 took place in Chapters 58 + 59




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