Title: Deadliest Warrior
pheeph - April 21, 2010 03:47 AM (GMT)
It's that show on Spike TV where there are hypothetical battles between two warriors that never faced each other in real life. The show usually has experts, historians, and veterans and such showing the weapons used by the warrior(s) in question. Then they show the hypothetical battle between the warriors and how they use the weapons.
While lots of people dismiss the stuff in this show as inaccurate and full of BS, it is kinda entertaining...
They had episodes like these:
Viking vs. Samurai
Pirate vs. Knight
Spartan vs. Ninja
Yakuza vs. Mafia
Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz
Season 2 started today with the episode "SWAT vs. GSG9"
shaoron - April 21, 2010 04:38 AM (GMT)
i'd like to see everything up there...
vs a nuke
kano - April 21, 2010 05:14 AM (GMT)
Or ... Nanoha? :)
Or ... Yuki :)
shaoron - April 21, 2010 05:59 AM (GMT)
the_one092001 - April 22, 2010 05:12 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I'm one of those haters. That show makes me RAGE big time. Not necessarily the inaccuracy but the contrived matchups and judging criteria. I the Mafia vs. Yakuza one, the Yakuza are shown wielding katanas in the promotional footage, but instead get short-changed by getting stuck with the nunchaku as their primary hand-to-hand weapon against a BASEBALL BAT.
Wavehawk - April 22, 2010 11:47 AM (GMT)
Green Berets and Spetsnaz is one of the stupider matchups.
Mainly because in real life, Green Berets (Army Special Operations Forces) are more invovled with training guerillas (and the hearts and minds approach to counterterrorism) than fighting, while Spetsnaz is a catch-all term for ALL Russian Spec Ops (during the Cold war, anyway). In fact, most real-life Special Forces are annoyed when people compare them to Rambo.
One of the matchups in this season is Navy SEALs vs Sayeret Matkal. I'm in favor of the SEALs, but either way, it's going to be utter BS (Sayeret should go up against USMC Recon or 75th Range, while SEALs should go against Shayetet 13)
pheeph - April 26, 2010 11:28 PM (GMT)
The next episode's going to be Alexander the Great vs. Attila the Hun.
the_one092001 - April 27, 2010 01:26 AM (GMT)
A matchup I might almost respect if it weren't for the fact that weapons had less to do with either of their successes so much as numbers, tactics, strategy, leadership, and a host of other things they don't bother to test. It's not the weapon that matters, it's how you use it that really counts.
Wavehawk - April 27, 2010 06:47 AM (GMT)
That's the other thing. Spartan vs Ninja? No Ninja would be stupid enough to fight fair and one-on-one with a Spartan to begin with.
And seriously, a fat couch potato with an AK47 will beat a Spartan at any range except melee. Does that mean a Fat Couch potato is a superior warrior to the Spartan?
shaoron - April 27, 2010 06:55 AM (GMT)
Like a lot of these "documentaries" a lot of premise/asumptions are flawed
tenkenX6 - April 28, 2010 12:58 AM (GMT)
I never did get around to watching this show. It seemed interesting enough but I just really don't watch much cable TV anymore.
pheeph - April 28, 2010 03:01 AM (GMT)
It seems Attila the Hun won...
I was betting on Alexander the Great, but then again the Huns did screw over Europe and the Roman Empire...
shaoron - April 28, 2010 08:15 AM (GMT)
pheeph - May 12, 2010 03:02 AM (GMT)
Just saw today's episode
Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior
The Zande warrior won that one.
The next matchup next Tuesday will be:
Nazi Waffen SS vs. Viet Cong. Some people say that who wins depends on the battlefield.
pheeph - May 26, 2010 11:56 PM (GMT)
In the episode "Waffen SS vs. Viet Cong", the Waffen SS won....
They had the MP-28, Mauser C96, Bouncing Betty bomb, and the flammenwerfer 41.
The Viet Cong had the MAT-49, Tokarev TT33, F-1 grenade, and the Punji stakes.
People were probably like "Where's the STG44 or MP-40?!"
Others say the Viet Cong should've had the AK-47 or something...
the_one092001 - May 27, 2010 05:12 AM (GMT)
Yeah, well what about those Panther and Tiger tanks the Waffen SS used? And the artillery, APCs, and other vehicles the Viet Cong didn't have the luxury of using? Even a WWII-era tank could have defeated any vehicle the Viet Cong could have gotten their hands on.
shaoron - May 27, 2010 01:59 PM (GMT)
one of the main reason the viet-cong won against the US back then was swamp + AK-47
on any other place, the viet-cong would have still be formidable, but not as dangerous as they were back in their home field.
the_one092001 - May 27, 2010 09:01 PM (GMT)
The Viet Cong didn't win against the US. That is a common misconception. The Viet Cong were broken as a fighting force after the Tet Offensive, and were only a minor threat before it. US village-sweeping techniques and riverine patrols were quite effective at rooting out Viet Cong resistance.
The group that actually inflicted the major casualties on the US was the North Vietnamese Army, the uniformed army of North Vietnam supported by the Soviet Union. The Viet Cong were guerrillas operating in South Vietnam, and were by no means the only force operating in the area, although people tend to lump the NVA and Viet Cong into one big group. After the Tet Offensive, the NVA were the only ones left that were a fighting force. When the US withdrew from Vietnam, the NVA were the ones who actually conquered South Vietnam, defeating the ARVN forces left in the area.
The AK-47 tends to be overrated by those who do not use it. People always look at certain features of another piece of equipment are superior to their own, while ignoring features that are inferior. For instance, American GI's raved about the AK-47's reliability, while the Viet Cong were enamored with the M16's accuracy and much more manageable recoil.
As such, modern M16 and M4 derivatives are considered superior to the AK-47, having reached a point where they can rival its reliability and significantly surpass its accuracy and penetrating power. The Soviet Union and now Russia have both phased out the AK-47 in favor of the AK-74, which uses the US system of a high-velocity/small-diameter round to inflict damage rather than the AK-47's low-velocity/large-diameter round.
shaoron - May 28, 2010 12:22 AM (GMT)
AK-47 was not known for it's accuracy anyway... just its insane ability to fire at situations that would normally jam a weapon.
And.. granted.. the viet-cong didn't actually won against the US.. but i do remember that the one who actually dealt the biggest blow was the US citizens for lack of support (i could be wrong)
either way... deadliest warrior has a serious problem of choosing weapons for its fights. I always doubt their credibility
the_one092001 - May 28, 2010 04:53 AM (GMT)
The Viet Cong and NVA shared about the same credit for American popular opinion. Like I mentioned, the Viet Cong were broken after the Tet Offensive, and had they been the only fighting force, the war would have been mostly over. But the fact that the NVA were still out there and were still pressing US forces on land (and causing most of the casualties) demonstrated to the American public that even fending off a massive operation like the Tet Offensive was not enough to win, since the NVA were unfazed.
The Viet Cong contribution was of course in earlier headline stories of American soldiers fighting in villages and cities in an Iraq-like manner. Possibly some of the most important images of this type were images of dead Viet Cong assailants at the steps of the American Embassy in Saigon, which showed an American public that the Viet Cong could attack even the most secure American strongholds (although the attack was repulsed).
pheeph - May 29, 2010 01:15 AM (GMT)
Saw the recent episode, "Roman Centurion vs. Rajput Warrior"
Roman Centurion's weapons:
Rajput won against the Centurion. Generally, the Centurion would have been more effective if it led a group of Roman soldiers.
pheeph - June 4, 2010 02:52 AM (GMT)
The next matchups in "Deadliest Warrior":
Somali Pirates vs. Medellin Cartel
Persian Immortal vs. Celt
KGB vs. CIA
Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu
Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer
Comanche vs. Mongol
Navy SEALS vs. Israeli Commando
kano - June 4, 2010 03:26 AM (GMT)
Hmm - only 2 of those make any sense to me (similar worth fighting each other)
KGB vs. CIA
Navy SEALS vs. Israeli Commando
shaoron - June 4, 2010 05:49 AM (GMT)
they're pitting Vlad the Impaler, a man who's known for being very vicious and ruthless and spawned the legend of Dracula
against Sun Tzu, who is mainly a philosopher and a strategist!?
WTFH is wrong with them?
pheeph - June 16, 2010 04:18 AM (GMT)
I managed to see two episodes of Deadliest Warrior today.
In "Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel"
Somali Pirates have:
-PKM Machine gun
Medellin Cartel have:
-M-60 Machine gun
For the fight, the pirates won because most of the weapons they were using were very reliable. That one pirate took a wounded cartel member's cigar... before he became victim to the car bomb...
In the episode "Persian Immortal vs. Celt"
Persian Immortal had:
-Sagaris (some kind of ax weapon)
-Bow and Arrow
The Celt had:
In the battle, the Persian Immortal won. This seems similar to the Samurai vs. Viking episode where it goes into a Skill vs. Brute Force thing.
the_one092001 - June 16, 2010 05:24 AM (GMT)
Again, terrain would be a huge issue in the first fight. On a ship, where those Somali pirates usually operate, the Mini-Uzi would be a far superior weapon to the AK-47 due to its compact size. The normal drawback of reduced stopping power is negated by the fact that neither of these groups are prone to wearing heavy body armor, so you wouldn't need a full-power assault rifle to inflict lethal wounds. In the wide-open cities of Latin America, the range of the AK-47 would be more useful for a street battle, although neither are known for their accuracy.
But on a ship, I don't think you'd have to worry about car bombs either.
pheeph - June 30, 2010 03:05 AM (GMT)
Saw the episode of Sun Tzu vs. Vlad the Impaler
This battle was pretty much one sided in favor of Vlad the Impaler...
Despite Sun Tzu's tactics, Vlad was so relentless. Sun Tzu ended up maimed and impaled on a big skewer.
shaoron - June 30, 2010 04:43 AM (GMT)
again... Vlad vs Sun Tzu is mismatched
pheeph - July 7, 2010 03:07 AM (GMT)
In the episode Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer:
-Rapier and Main Gauche
-3-barrel pole cannon
-Nest of Bees
The battle resulted in the Musketeers winning, giving the Ming Warriors the "all-for-one and one-for-all"...
pheeph - July 7, 2010 11:40 PM (GMT)
finally got to see the KGB vs. CIA episode:
-Garrote (wire they used to strangle targets with)
-Briefcase Gun (briefcase with a Walther PPK in it)
-Skorpion SMG 61
-Boobytrapped Dead-Drop Spike
In the battle, this is probably the first battle to include women on both sides (one woman on each side). CIA ultimately won with the last CIA agent strangling the last KGB agent.
Trowa - July 7, 2010 11:47 PM (GMT)
Your kidding right?
The CIA verse the KGB? :eyebrow:
First off both groups are primarily intelligence orginizations. So if either side found themselves actually haveing to fight, they've screwed up royally.
And don't get me started on the other "matches". The series sounds like a bunch of 20-somethings decided to do a "what if" series. Then just threw different groups together because it sounded cool.
the_one092001 - July 8, 2010 12:48 AM (GMT)
Yeah, it's like a giant historical fanfic.
The Skorpion is a terrible gun. You'd have a harder time hitting a target than with a .50 AE Desert Eagle. It uses a goddamn plunger to regulate its rate of fire, which means that the weight in the gun bounces up and down. Add to that the compromises made to keep it compact and lightweight, and you'd need to be Arnold Schwarzenegger to hold the thing on target while it's bouncing around. But people fap to it since I hear it's supposed to be an awesome gun in Hardcore Deathmatch for CoD4.
Role - July 8, 2010 04:12 AM (GMT)
They do run the simulations 1000 times based on the data they collect. The battles at the end are simply for show. I love how the loser always says: "The data must be wrong." I mean, without fail, too.
shaoron - July 8, 2010 07:45 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (the_one092001 @ Jul 8 2010, 08:48 AM)|
| Yeah, it's like a giant historical fanfic. |
It IS a giant historical fanfic
not to mention some of them are quite mismatched
pheeph - July 21, 2010 03:12 AM (GMT)
saw the Comanche vs. Mongol episode.
-War Hawk Club
-Comanche Bow and Arrow
-Iron Flanged Mace
-Mongol Bow and Arrow
In the battle, the Mongol ultimately got totalled and then scalped by the Comanche.
The season finale next week will be: Navy SEALs vs. Israeli Commando
shaoron - July 21, 2010 03:37 AM (GMT)
money's on israeli commando
pheeph - July 21, 2010 04:52 AM (GMT)
I'm betting on the Navy SEALs...
pheeph - July 28, 2010 03:06 AM (GMT)
Navy SEALs vs. Israeli Commandos
Weapons of Navy SEALs:
-Recon 1 Knife
-SIG Sauer P226
-M4 Colt Commando
-C-4 47 explosive
Weapons of Israeli Commandos:
-KA-BAR Knife 42
In the battle, the SEALs managed to outlast the Israeli Commandos. Near the end it was two Commandos against one SEAL, but the SEAL took both down with the C4. I don't know if I missed it, but I didn't see the SEAL use their Recon 1 Knife in that battle...
pheeph - July 20, 2011 12:10 AM (GMT)
Here's season 3's match-ups:
-George Washington vs. Napoleon Bonaparte (this episode starts July 20, 10:00 PM)
-Joan of Arc vs. William the Conqueror
-U.S. Army Rangers vs. North Korean Special Operation Force
-Genghis Khan vs. Hannibal
-Saddam Hussein vs. Pol Pot (What the hell is this?!)
-Lawrence of Arabia vs. Theodore Roosevelt
-Ivan the Terrible vs. Hernando Cortes
-Crazy Horse vs. Poncho Villa
-French Foreign Legion vs. Gurkha
-Vampire vs. Zombie (seriously?? I thought this show was about real warriors of the past and present)
Richard "Mack" Machowicz joins the group, replacing Max Geiger.
the_one092001 - July 21, 2011 04:21 AM (GMT)
|-Saddam Hussein vs. Pol Pot (What the hell is this?!)|
Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge regime that ruled Cambodia in the late 1970s. Proportionately, it was the mot lethal regime of the 20th century in terms of the number of its own people killed, and was so violent that even the Communist Vietnamese regime turned on them.
|Richard "Mack" Machowicz joins the group, replacing Max Geiger.|
Future Weapons guy? Time for more "Power of a shotgun, accuracy of a sniper rifle!"