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Captain Obvious
Posted: Jan 4 2008, 09:51 AM


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A common feature in the manga thread is the discussion of possible futures or combinations of characters. If you have an inkling as to what you think might happen in future chapters feel free to ponder your ideas in this thread.
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 02:48 PM


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First reply... (Woot...)

Anyways, Rainyday being the final boss of the storyline...

^Discuss...
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 02:52 PM


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would be a good boss , and depending the actions, could end good or bad :D
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 03:52 PM


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I don't see any reason why she would be the final boss (then again I thought the same about Chao). I could see her more as the type who comes out of nowhere to help in a huge way. Personally I still think the final boss will end up being Nagi.
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 05:56 PM


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QUOTE (O_o @ Jan 4 2008, 02:52 PM)
I don't see any reason why she would be the final boss (then again I thought the same about Chao). I could see her more as the type who comes out of nowhere to help in a huge way. Personally I still think the final boss will end up being Nagi.

I agree completely except replace Nagi with Albeiro. I think there are going to a few more people who end up on the bad side (some willingly, some not, most of either conflicted), but I think Zazie's going to have a big moment toward the end of the series where she pulls everybody's ass out of the fire, in a spectacular manner. We will learn very little about her beforehand and not much more afterwards. She will largely remain a mystery even after the manga has ended.

As for Nagi he is being coerced or outright controlled by the big bad to do his bidding, with the fate of Negi held over his head, or he may be already dead. If he's not dead already, he will end up so by the end of the series (probably sometime in the final arc, right before the final boss battle), probably as the direct result of saving Negi (or Asuna, or most likely both) from being killed.
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 06:24 PM


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I'm noticing a pattern. In every major arc we're getting to meet one of Nagi's friends from Ala Rubra. First there's Takamichi. Then in the Kyoto arc there's Eishun. In the Mahora Festival we get Albireo. In the Magic Country, the Big Sword dude. I'm thinking we won't see the little boy until the next major arc. Also, Gateau is dead. Then later, Nagi.


I'm also thinking the major bad guy is someone we haven't seen yet. Someone who's been pulling the strings from the distance. Someone who wants Negi out of the picture, but for some reason doesn't want him dead. My thoughts is that the final boss is going to be Negi's mother.
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 06:32 PM


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well seeing as Gateau is dead we might learn about him when asuna past is finaly
revile since he did seem to have at least some connection with her when they
travel with the crimson wing. also if it follows that pattern then we won't see nagi
until like the second to last arc or around their.
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 07:49 PM


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I've mostly seen Nagi as Asuna's replacement for whatever those guys were doing. Right now he's probably being used as a power source for some weapon or 'person'. I think thats the reason why he couldn't stick around 6 yrs ago, the attack on the village was the bait to lure him out, once that was worked out he had to vanish again so A) Negi wouldn't be endangered and cool.gif he could stay one step ahead of his pursuers.

That said I think it Negi's maternal grandfather or uncle pulling the strings, and they don't want Negi dead yet because they think they might be able to use Negi's longing for family to have him willingly join them.
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Posted: Jan 4 2008, 08:10 PM


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mmm yeah maybe she could be like a pre boss , facing negi before face the real boss
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Posted: Jan 5 2008, 12:39 AM


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@scorpiowolf I thought you believed negi's mom was pulling the stringes?

Though I agree with why the village was attacked and why Nagi couldn't stay.

As for the family thing. I think that's where Konoka and such will come in.

@quigonkenny Meh, the role of sacrifice for saveing Negi and or Asuna is Takamichi. wink.gif Though I do see him comeing in to pull everyones arse out of the fire as you think Zazie will.

For some reason I'm seeing Zazie as more a villianess. While she may not be a major threat she may play a minor hurdle in defeating the main villian.
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QUOTE (Trowa @ Jan 5 2008, 12:39 AM)
@scorpiowolf I thought you believed negi's mom was pulling the stringes?

Though I agree with why the village was attacked and why Nagi couldn't stay.

As for the family thing. I think that's where Konoka and such will come in.

Nah, I've always seen her as an unwilling participant, remember my Ra's al Ghul metaphor? Negi's mom is basically Talia, with Nagi being a Batman stand-in, she's loyal to her father/brother until it comes to Nagi and Negi.
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Anytime I hear about Al being a bad guy I refer to Vol. 12. where he expresses the desire to help Asuna get stronger if only so "that she does not have to see another person die". Again later he expresses shock when Asuna is about to, or is trying to, cleave Setsuna in half.

I see Al as an immortal that spends his time gathering info on anything everything anyone everyone. As well as a general prankster. Nagi might have met him in his travels. Saw that they might have had a similar outlook on some things and started traveling together.
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Posted: Jan 5 2008, 06:53 PM


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thenightsshadow's Negima Theories with no basis whatsoever:

1) "Nagi" and all surrounding instances of his name and actions, including the Crimson Wing, are all fictitious and made up by the person who "plays as Nagi", who possibly could be his wife or #1 partner.

2) Chao will be the final boss as she tries one more time to get Negi to change his viewpoint, insisting that "truth" is what she has and what she is unwilling to give.

3) Takamichi will be revealed to be the father of Asuna, and will be another opponent Negi will have to kill.
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Posted: Jan 5 2008, 07:08 PM


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well done, obvious-san. Thanks for creating this thread =)

About Takamichi, I really have the feeling he is going to die at one point... Maybe during the final battle or something like that...

Takahata is like a character who was created by the author just to die at the end >_> Super-powerful guy who helps the main character? With a dead master? And keeper of secrets concerning Asuna's past? And obstacle to the Negi x Asuna relationship?

About Zazie, we already know that she will only get importance by the end of the story (according to Akamatsu himself) and based off that first picture from the manga, she's going to be the final boss...

About Nagi, I'm sure his disappearance is somehow connected to Zazie...

Negi's mother as a final boss? Really interesting.

Damn, Negima has too many mysteries >_<
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Posted: Jan 5 2008, 07:13 PM


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QUOTE

3) Takamichi will be revealed to be the father of Asuna, and will be another opponent Negi will have to kill.


Sure his relations of being related to Kagurazaka is plausible, but why does Springfield have to kill Takahata for being related to Kagurazaka? (Unless you're saying she's also going to turn evil or something...)

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2) Chao will be the final boss as she tries one more time to get Negi to change his viewpoint, insisting that "truth" is what she has and what she is unwilling to give.


I can see her being a boss once again, but not exactly the final boss...

Though everything else you say in that quote is also plausible... (In fact, if she returns to antagonize again, I really do hope she does try to change his viewpoint...)

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About Zazie, we already know that she will only get importance by the end of the story (according to Akamatsu himself) and based off that first picture from the manga, she's going to be the final boss...

About Nagi, I'm sure his disappearance is somehow connected to Zazie...


I agree with both there... (Obviously...)

But yeah, I'm actually hoping that Rainyday's the reason of the Thousand Master's disappearance...

Maybe she can hold him for ransom so that Springfield has to fight her or something...

Otherwise, I dub thee, Boo, the official "SUPREME Zazie Rainyday theorist of AQS"...
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Posted: Jan 5 2008, 07:57 PM


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Well, we know that Zazie is going to be important in the last arc and we know that the main character's main objective is to find Nagi. Usually, the main goals are acomplished in the last arc, so by connecting the dots we know that, since both Zazie and Nagi will be important characters in the last arc, they are probably connected somehow. I can't say for sure if she is a friend or a foe, but at least I can say with 100% conviction that she is linked to Nagi's disappearance.

Anyway, eh, Zazie is just too mysterious, it's impossible not to think of dozens of theories about her... She could be basically anything XD

Now, another mystery that I would like to bring to the discussion... Chao. Was she just a one-shot character, villain of the big Festival filler Arc, or is she hiding something else?

I have no doubt that she will return at the end or epilogue of the story (this happens in all Ken Akamatsu mangas), but will her role be of any importance? She surely knows what will happen to Negi and where is Nagi (she probably learned that in her History classes), but could she be a key character in the story?

The Festival Arc felt more like a big filler for me (story-wise, not character-development-wise), and that's why I was thinking the other day: Did Ken create the Festival Arc just for fun or because Chao will, in fact, be important later in the story?
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^Chao will probably return at least in the epilogue, or at least get mentioned some how...

If she returns, she may get more development and may become major, but I wouldn't know exactly how...

As for the festival arc, I think Ken originally was planning to use it as storyline material he could use to develop those lesser developed characters...

Which was a real let-down when Murakami, Rainyday, the Narutakis, Aisaka, and others were omitted from the third day line up Springfield had planned...

I don't know if Ken used it as a harbinger for Chao's later importance, but I think it didn't serve like Ken originally wanted it...

Sure Chao gets a bunch of development, but what about the others that were mentioned?

Otherwise, I don't know if Chao will return to the storyline, but I know people like Yotsuba and Hakase will probably get more involved in Springfield's magic relations later on in the storyline... (As well as other people...)
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depends what if chao get his own history ( like trunks of the future of dragon ball z ) =9
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Posted: Jan 6 2008, 05:29 AM


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QUOTE (Esperman @ Jan 5 2008, 07:25 PM)
^Chao will probably return at least in the epilogue, or at least get mentioned some how...

If she returns, she may get more development and may become major, but I wouldn't know exactly how...

As for the festival arc, I think Ken originally was planning to use it as storyline material he could use to develop those lesser developed characters...

Which was a real let-down when Murakami, Rainyday, the Narutakis, Aisaka, and others were omitted from the third day line up Springfield had planned...

I don't know if Ken used it as a harbinger for Chao's later importance, but I think it didn't serve like Ken originally wanted it...

Sure Chao gets a bunch of development, but what about the others that were mentioned?

Otherwise, I don't know if Chao will return to the storyline, but I know people like Yotsuba and Hakase will probably get more involved in Springfield's magic relations later on in the storyline... (As well as other people...)

Murakami — Who? Oh, yeah, Natsumi, the "normal" one... If it's any consolation, I've got a fairly hair-brained theory that she was the concealed Shinmei user at the gate who we're supposed to think is Tsuku-whatsis... That might make her more interesting if true..
Rainyday — Disappointing, but somewhat made up for when she "watched" the haunted house for the rest of the class. I agree she has a bigger part to play (see above).
The Narutakis — No big loss. They had a fairly memorable scene early on when they tag teamed him in the tree. They're largely comedic-only characters anyway.
Aisaka — Being made up for in the current arc, to some degree.
"others" — Don't remember.

I think the Chao buildup was more than worth it considering how interesting a character she turned out to be. Hingeing to some degree on how Zazie turns out, of course. Maybe she's Negi's mother (maybe?), or Negi's future wife/Chao's ancestor (no, see below).

As for Chao, since the "Zazie as final boss" discussion seems to have dried up a bit (we can always go back to it), and the subject has already been broached, what about what we might see of Our Favorite Martian in the future? This is my theory.

I think we'll see her again in the penultimate arc, which will probably look for all the world like another "filler" arc to some people. At least until we are given at least one shocker of a revelation at the end that sends us directly into the final arc, which includes the last tidbits of Asuna's history (which might be the final arc "shocker revelation", actually), the whereabouts and final fate of Nagi, the identity and defeat of the Big Bad, and nowhere near enough backstory on Zazie (intentionally so).

In this second Chao arc, though, Nagi will show up, armed with some believable reason as to where he's been for the last six(ish) years, and accompanied by a few partners, all except Nagi cloaked, tacit, and unnervingly familiar. Everything will otherwise appear normal, great in fact, as both Negi and Nagi are ecstatic about the reunion, but we soon find that Nagi seems oddly melancholy at times, is a bit evasive about his recent history, and notably avoids Asuna. Then the group finds out that TTT (should he survive the current arc) and Eva, as well as a few of the other older characters, have gone missing since meeting with one (or more) of Nagi's partners (one disappearance is revealed shortly beforehand to the audience). When Negi starts suspecting something is up and goes to investigate, the partners interfere and prove to be more than a match for any of the AA one-on-one. Nagi stays oddly detached from the ensuing conflict, and Negi starts to believe his father is being manipulated.

After a fight where one of the partners turns out to be a female with a disturbingly familiar mix of abilities (that Kaede immediately picks up on before being among the first to be subdued), Negi is whisked out of harm's way and into a darkened safehouse by a mysterious adult woman who (in a suitably dramatic reveal involving her particularly memorable activation keyword) turns out to be a more mature (in many ways, heh heh) Chao. We find out from her and (thanks to the wonder of parallel exposition) from Nagi, who has captured all or most of the magic-aware girls (except Asuna, who escaped), that "Nagi" is actually Negi from 22(ish) years into the future (as the current Chao is from 21-22 years further into her future than the previous Chao), and his partners are older versions of some of their classmates and possibly others. Notably the partner with the "disturbingly familiar" fighting style is Ku Fei, who has mastered not only several more branches of kung fu, but also a smattering of magic, a fair amount of ninjitsu (the absence of an older Kaede is noted but not dwelled upon), and most surprisingly, pactio-assisted Kankaho, at or above the level of TTT. Older Negi has come back to fix something horrible from happening in the future, and Chao has returned to stop him with our Negi's help.

In the best Terminator fashion, "Nagi" and his party have come back to kill Asuna, as she will eventually become an evil near-ominipotent being who rules the world with an iron fist yadda yadda. This will of course obliviate their existence, but that's worth the price. Older Negi eventually tracks down Asuna and is about to kill her (you can tell it's killing him to have to do it) when they are interrupted by the evil Asuna, fresh from the future, who everyone (including the people who would have noted that older Negi was not Nagi, like Eva, TTT, Konoemon, etc., who Chao and Negi released from where older Negi had them locked away somehow) has to band together to defeat. Old Ku Fei is killed in the battle, after sharing some notable comradery with Kaede. Somehow it is made so that the present Asuna will not go evil, and the evil version disappears like she never existed. As the older Negi's party is disappearing (since they, as they are, no longer will exist as well), he drops the aforementioned bombshell on Negi, which will send us to the next and final arc.

Chao appears to disappear similarly, but we later find her observing from a hidden area the others recovering from the battle. The more perceptive members of the AA pop in behind her (Kaede certainly, but with Ku Fei, Chisame and Yue, I'm thinking), and confront her about everything that's going on. Yue or Chisame notes that she didn't disappear either when she changed history the first time (when she initially came back) or this time, and wonder why she needed to avert the change old Negi was going to make when her future existence appears so stable. Chao explains (in her way) that there were at least four timelines in the equation: The original, where Chao never came back to the past (but of course existed in the future); the initially modified timeline, which didn't change enough to keep Chao from existing (but is paradoxically hinted at leading to the evil future Asuna's existence); the future timeline as old Negi tried to make it, which would have deleted Chao from existence; and the current timeline, which is apparently identical to the original after a certain distance into the future, due to a bit of temporal smoothing (courtesy of the magic inherent in the various Cassiopeia and Cassiopeia-derived devices). Chao actually does leave back to the future after asking Yue and Chisame to think about what the difference was in that one timeline that all the others did not have, that might lead to Chao never existing, and asks that they never tell Negi, as it might cause problems. After she winks out, all four of them come to the realization that she was talking about Asuna's death, and realize what that means.
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Posted: Jan 6 2008, 08:36 AM


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Wow that's a tad complicated. I like it though, perhaps because of it. Especially the last part. tongue.gif

As for what you suggested about Natsume. I'd find that to be an amazeing plot twist if it happened. One I'd kinda like to see.

Unfortunately I kinda doubt it. sad.gif
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Posted: Jan 6 2008, 02:48 PM


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^@_@...

Yeah, that's pretty dang complicated...

It's like mixing Terminator with the Godfather...

But it's nicely thought out anyways...

Eh, I don't want the discussion on the current topic to stop, but here's another question for you guys...

Ken says he wanted at least one girl to be totally normal in the class...

By the end of the storyline, who do you believe this girl will be?
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Posted: Jan 6 2008, 02:55 PM


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Well their is Natsumi to consider.

Although for some reason I'm begining to want Ayaka to end up the normal one. Though I'm really not sure why.
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COUNTER ATTACK!!

Esperman has been walloftext'd!!!
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Posted: Jan 6 2008, 02:58 PM


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^Yeah, Murakami's probably going to get a lot of votes...

Personally, I don't know who to choose myself...

What a big plot twist it'll be if Rainyday ends up being the most normal of all the classmates... (But so far, she's already gone past the abnormal stage and it doesn't seem like she's ever coming back...)

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Heh, you wanna see a wall of text? (Check out this link...)

http://z4.invisionfree.com/aquastar/index.php?showtopic=6349

Well, it's not exactly a wall of text, but it is a lot of posting... (The whole thread in general...)
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Here's the question you have to ask yourself, out of all the odd, magical, shota, dead, overly-energetic, and other-wise strange people in the class, wouldn't someone who had no powers or resources be considered the odd one? rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

That said I'm betting on Satsuki being the least strange.
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Here's the question you have to ask yourself, out of all the odd, magical, shota, dead, overly-energetic, and other-wise strange people in the class, wouldn't someone who had no powers or resources be considered the odd one?


Yeah, so instead, think of the questions as "Who do you think will be the 'mundane' person out of the classmates?"

Mundane, in this case, meaning no powers related to magic (Which includes people like Springfield and Kokolova...), no pactio-influenced powers (Pretty much, that means this person will most likely not be making a pactio in your opinion...), no supernatural abilities (This includes people like Tatsumiya, who has her "demon eye", and Kagurazaka, who has her magical cancellation...), no inhuman origins (Obvious, but this discounts people like McDowell and Karakuri...), no special combative talents (This discounts people like Kuu and Nagase who have combative skills of some type...), and no connection to any unreal forces/beings... (That includes Rainyday's affinity to shadow creatures but doesn't discount quick reflexes or possible humanistics such as Sasaki's flexibility and Shiina's super luck, respectively...)
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@scorpiowolf Love the siggy and avy. biggrin.gif

As for least strange person in class. I agree Satsuki will likely wind up being the least strange.

Althought now that I think about it I'm thinking Madoka is going to be the normal one.
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QUOTE (Trowa @ Jan 7 2008, 01:04 AM)
@scorpiowolf Love the siggy and avy. biggrin.gif

As for least strange person in class. I agree Satsuki will likely wind up being the least strange.

Althought now that I think about it I'm thinking Madoka is going to be the normal one.

I'm going with white mice this month, why, because they're slightly creepy in real life but I like these 3. biggrin.gif

Up until the festival and especially chaps 164-165 I would have agreed with you but she's too good of a comedic character to not take advantage of. biggrin.gif
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I'm guessing you mean Madoka right?

Perhaps.

Though I agree she needs development. Whether or not it's comedic or not is up for depate.

I really wish Ken would get around to developing them.
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QUOTE (Esperman @ Jan 6 2008, 02:58 PM)
Heh, you wanna see a wall of text? (Check out this link...)

http://z4.invisionfree.com/aquastar/index.php?showtopic=6349

Well, it's not exactly a wall of text, but it is a lot of posting... (The whole thread in general...)

Yeah, I post in that thread, and it's gone WAY beyond what I ever thought it would!

I'm with Trowa, if we're taking about any kind of vote, then I say 'Madoka Kugimiya' for 'Miss Normal' of Class 3A.

Okay, my theory? (Please understand, this information was pointed out in a fic on FF.N, I did not gather it, but it can be intuited/confirmed by looking in the manga.)

"Fei Ku is Chao Lingshen's 'X'-grandmother."

1) They are both Chinese. (Simplistic, but true. At least visually.)
2) All of Chao's friends/close personages at school helped in some way with her plan. Satsuki, Chachamaru, Hakase, (Mana?) EXCEPT Fei Ku.
3) This implies that Chao may have been protecting Ku from what might happen if the plan failed. (Mind-wipe, deportation.) No Fei Ku with/around Negi, no Chao.
4) Mana, one of Chao's helpers, eliminated Fei Ku from the MAB. (Preventing her from fighting Negi, possibly a bad thing, and further insulating Ku from connection to Chao's plan.)
5) Two people from Chao's group went missing in Kyoto. The only one she seemed concerned about (Asakura's pictures) was Fei Ku. NOT Kaede. (Dead by demons Fei Ku equals no Chao. Or perhaps wondering if she went off with Negi, who was also missing, and got their relationship started.)
6) Chao never seemed interested in Negi, but seemed concerned about Fei Ku's chances. (The FF.N author wonders if Chao put Ku up to the 'Kissing Game.') (Get that relationship going early!)

Now, based on the above, I add also:

7) v15, p098-099. Fei Ku give Chao Lingshen an heirloom sword. (Given to her by her own master.) Could Chao's easy acceptance of such a special item indicate willingness to do so because it's staying 'in the family?'
8) v18, p035-036. Fei Ku's presence close-by when Chao is trying to leave.
9) v18, p040. Chao's challenge to Fei Ku. Perhaps Chao already knows they will fight, and is simply making sure Ku will be ready to do so.
10) The cover of v18. (Totally subjective reason.) Because that picture so-screams 'family.'

What do you think?
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QUOTE (Trowa @ Jan 7 2008, 02:07 AM)
I'm guessing you mean Madoka right?

Perhaps.

Though I agree she needs development. Whether or not it's comedic or not is up for depate.

I really wish Ken would get around to developing them.

She's the perfect straight man, especially to her more outgoing partners. I'd like to see her interact with Haruna, Misora and Kazumi more tho. Also I forgot to mention when they thought Negi and Konoka were on a date.

@Neko: I keep having this random theory/thought that that toward the end of the manga there's going to be this Chao look-alike with a different hairstyle and the same/closer to Negi's age who makes a cameo as a background character. For all we know KA might have already placed Chao's great-grandmother into the background of one of his panels, lol. And before I get tarred and feathered, remember Negi's child will need a partner of their own right? rolleyes.gif
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MY FINAL ACTING VILLAIN THEORY

Little late to the party.
I don’t have the drive to support either theories of having Zazie, Chao, or Nagi appearing as the final boss.
In my personal terms, I don’t feel that they can measure up to being as such. In truth, I don’t have any more evidence that would disprove the potential of their future ‘status’, than I do that could prove it.

Zazie has yet to take any hostile action (as far as I know), in fact, she’s apparently quite friendly.
And replaying Chao would be a tiresome plot, writing wise it’d sound like a bad thing to do.
I can see Nagi moreso than the previous two but my arm would have to be twisted for me to really admit it as a good possibility.

Though I can understand how the possibility of Zazie being theorized as the final boss from the fanbase isn’t just random speculation, through the few current existing facts:
1. Has been stated that the Zazie’s background will likely only be revealed near end game.
2. Zazie has demonstrated some link to magic, indicating that she will likely become directly involved into the story.
3. Little has been revealed about her, which allows the potential for her character to really be just about anything.

Still, I can’t see it. I can see her as a supporting villain… that could work nicely.

Working toward a theory You can just skip to My Theory, next passage is a bit of my thought pattern while coming up with the theory.
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Rather, I prefer taking a step back on the theory of “’X’ being the final boss?” to “‘What’ is the final boss?” Now this will likely be confusing because I’m not confident that I can fully communicate my ideas to people clearly.

The first question I asked myself was ‘would this person be a current existing character or one not yet introduced?’
My assumption is actually the later. So I, personally, can’t pinpoint a name but I can impose why and who, as a person, is the final boss.

The greatest villains are those with ties to the main characters. That is something I like to believe. It strengthens character resolutions and a reason to fight, which reflects well onto the readers. It’s a shock factor and twist that is probably what many aim for. Think like a writer.

Then what do we currently know that can be linked to our heroes?
I believe them to be the two most important events in the two most important characters:

The attack/kidnap attempt of Asuna. (Past)
And
The attack on Negi’s original hometown in Wales.


+++My Theory is that the one who commanded both these attacks are not only one in the same but potentially the final boss, who is currently nameless. *GASP*
I’ll try and support this theory with the motives I just talked about and look into WHY these events took place. +++

An attack was ordered on a stronghold containing Asuna who potentially has a unique power that may be heavily sought after (Villain Motive: Obtaining rare power to change world?). The raid had failed because of the interception of Nagi & Co who seemingly successfully fended them off and apparently took guardianship over Asuna.
Asuna is eventually hidden at Mahora about 10 years from today’s current time, evident as she was in either kindergarten or a low grade with Ayaka and Sakurako. 10 years from today was the assumed year of death of Nagi, which is likely why she had to be separated from him. He had to go into hiding and couldn’t take her with him.

About 4 years later, Negi’s(which was also Nagi’s) hometown is attack by a large force of monsters.
The reason WHY the town was attack had never surfaced, so this plays into my theory, as I believe it was done out of spite/vengeance as well as the continuing hunt for Asuna. After all, Nagi had thwarted the plans of the first attempted kidnapping of Asuna and hidden her existence, searching and destroying Nagi’s original hometown for Asuna sounds like the obvious thing to do.

“Where would Nagi hide her? Search and destroy his origin.”
”Even if I don’t find her leveling his precious town is the perfect punishment for getting in my way.”
Kinda thing. (Thus Villainy Motive: Vengeance + obtaining means)

This theory would explain why Negi’s hometown was decimated. It’s a pretty important event that I believe will be revealed eventually.

Aside from that, Negi & Co will then have a clear motive to stand up against this villain (continuation of protecting Asuna, preventing Villains plans of using Asuna’s power for change, and vengeance for his town). Who else could be such an ultimate villain to Negi then the one who caused everything up to this point?

Entirely shrouded by mystery (because he/she hasn’t been introduced yet), having legions of monsters at his/her disposal, and indirectly tied to the main protagonist’s cause of their hardships & potential lead the truth about Asuna(history). I think I’ve got myself the makings of an awesome villain.


*EDIT* A far fetched addition to the theory arouse when reading Quigonkenny's post.
Chao wanted the world to learn about magic. To prepare them for.... war? A magicial invasion created by the final 'boss'?
Regardless, could I tie this theory together with my current one? Hmmm...


At least this was my theory to “The final boss” and because I believe in this theory, Zazie, Chao, Negi's 'mother', and Nagi are unlikely candidates for me for obvious reasons.
I tried to make my theory as logical as possible with what information is already available but people are welcome to poke holes into it, and I’ll enjoy trying to work around them.




QUOTE

1) "Nagi" and all surrounding instances of his name and actions, including the Crimson Wing, are all fictitious and made up by the person who "plays as Nagi", who possibly could be his wife or #1 partner.


An 'interesting' twist and I can't find evidence to FULLY disprove it BUT, from a writer's point of view...... it's a total tease. It's almost like a 'dream' episode.
There's also no reason to do that. It'll just break the story.

QUOTE

3) Takamichi will be revealed to be the father of Asuna, and will be another opponent Negi will have to kill.


It'd be a hard act to follow, as they all found Asuna at the tower.
Essentially, she could actually be older than Takahata.
I don't really see any real father daughter bonding/connection.
and why would he have to be Negi's opponent?



QUOTE (quigonkenny)
Chao


Rather than a theory, it's more of a detailed prediction or fanfic. Heh.
I guess the real theory behind all that is that Negi will end up with Asuna and eventually spawn Chao. Something I'm sadly not a supporter of.

I suppose my biggest problem with this is that.

1. Asuna had already been under the safe care of Nagi for an extended period of time. If she was truly to become a problem and Nagi was indeed Negi from the future. why did he save her and why did he not do anything to her during that time.
BUT
If your theory played on the fact that Nagi of the past was not the Negi of the future who pretended to be Nagi then it could work but story wise original Nagi would still remain a mystery.

2. blink.gif This theory could use some basis. Any basis.

3. Dang you! You killed Ku.... this 3rd one was personal...


QUOTE (Neko_Arc01)
"Fei Ku is Chao Lingshen's 'X'-grandmother."


Hah, I was going to include that theory after I was done with this. I refreshed and was a little sad to see it up laugh.gif. It's a pretty common theory actually.
Since Chao is the only living proof of Negi's lineage. Chao is something to analyze.
Though I honestly didn't think of many of those points since they're much too abstract.
Other than what you've already listed though:

Chao has demonstrated some martial arts capabilities (more often in anime ver) possibly passed down from Ku or Negi.

Ku had considered Chao her best friend, openingly admitting so on her departure. It would not be too strange for Chao to want to be close to her 'grandmother'.


It's quite a logical theory and there isn't any other existing 'facts' that suggest anyone else and I WANT IT TO HAPPEN but I feel like it won't.

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so if you say ku fei is chaos grandmother then negi is the grandfather ?? so negi is going to stay with ku ?, but the normal person for me is chizuru ..or misa
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Kuu could possibly be Chao's grandmother... (Or ancestor...)

But nice support you have there...

Though other people speculate Sakurazaki could be the other ancestor because of Chao's hair style when she has it down...

Eh, but you still provide wonderful support nonetheless...

I, thence, hereby dub thee, Neko_arc01, the speculative/predictionist theorist of AQS...

Not to be confused with Boo's title...
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Posted: Jan 7 2008, 01:11 PM


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QUOTE (Esperman @ Jan 7 2008, 12:33 PM)
Kuu could possibly be Chao's grandmother... (Or ancestor...)

But nice support you have there...

Though other people speculate Sakurazaki could be the other ancestor because of Chao's hair style when she has it down...

Eh, but you still provide wonderful support nonetheless...

I, thence, hereby dub thee, Neko_arc01, the speculative/predictionist theorist of AQS...

Not to be confused with Boo's title...

Thanks.

Blood heck, I just about said too much. (I was gonna give away part of the story I quoted from, but I deleted my post before I made it.)

Anyway, go see "Child of Mine" if you want more details about the story my info came from.

(I hope it's okay to post this link, if I'm not pushing my own fics!) unsure.gif
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yeah could be or the son of negi could marry the son of ku fei and that son is chao
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QUOTE (Neko_Arc01 @ Jan 7 2008, 02:47 AM)
"Fei Ku is Chao Lingshen's 'X'-grandmother."

Entirely plausible. It's already been a favorite theory of mine since the tournament arc, as any chance to involve Ku Fei is a good one, and Chao definitely was always around Ku Fei. I agree with ledah that while she and Negi are both "X"-grandparents, that allows for several possibilities that don't require them hooking up with each other (any flings and/or fanfics aside) as they already have a fairly strong master-student relationship, with few romantic undertones.

QUOTE (Dateless @ Jan 7 2008, 05:20 AM)
The first question I asked myself was ‘would this person be a current existing character or one not yet introduced?’
My assumption is actually the later. So I, personally, can’t pinpoint a name but I can impose why and who, as a person, is the final boss.

See, I actually think the opposite. As you have noted below the above quote, "The greatest villains are those with ties to the main characters." That is of course certainly true if well written, but one of the things that often characterizes poor writing is the bringing in of characters in the last bit of the story who "have been involved in it since before the beginning, but you've never seen them and we've never talked about them", which is more or less what you are suggesting. At least the Negi's mother theory has the benefit of her existence being conspicuous by its absence. The story's over halfway done, and if we haven't even had conversation about the final bad guy, it's a bit of a copout to bring them up now, much less later, as it makes the reader think that the author didn't want to leave any clues because they're afraid we'd figure it out.

This is one of the reasons why we see this so often in long format sources (it's annoyingly common in manga and anime) because there simply is so much time that the storyline is out there, that if you don't have a big bad yet, fingers start pointing everywhere. Look through the Manga Discussion Board and I suspect that at one point or another, a finger is pointed at at least half the 2/3-A class, and 80% of the adult characters. As far as we know at this point, Konoka is the big bad, and that's hopefully the way KA wants it, so that by the time he reveals who it is, we'll be amazed at the little hints and suggestions he had been leaving that we'd missed or misinterpreted, instead of facepalming because it was really High Mucketymuck JimBob Jetback of the Istanbul Magic association, who we just heard about 5 panels ago, but has an amazing number of connections to current events and every character that we could have never guessed at.

I won't say it won't happen, I just think he's going to have to pull all kind of literary acrobatics to make it look good.

And you know, if well done, Konoka as the big bad could be interesting...

QUOTE (Dateless @ Jan 7 2008, 05:20 AM)
QUOTE (quigonkenny)
Chao


Rather than a theory, it's more of a detailed prediction or fanfic. Heh.
I guess the real theory behind all that is that Negi will end up with Asuna and eventually spawn Chao. Something I'm sadly not a supporter of.

I suppose my biggest problem with this is that.

1. Asuna had already been under the safe care of Nagi for an extended period of time. If she was truly to become a problem and Nagi was indeed Negi from the future. why did he save her and why did he not do anything to her during that time.
BUT
If your theory played on the fact that Nagi of the past was not the Negi of the future who pretended to be Nagi then it could work but story wise original Nagi would still remain a mystery.

2. blink.gif This theory could use some basis. Any basis.

3. Dang you! You killed Ku.... this 3rd one was personal...

It certainly is meant to be a detailed prediction, originally little more than a basic outline based on the idea of a "broken" Negi from the future, an older Chao coming back to "save" him (in many ways mirroring the previous Chao arc), how whatever world "broke" him would have affected other members of the AA and Class 2/3-A, and our present characters, especially Negi, caught in the middle. I had a few basic ideas (hiding the people who have actually met Nagi, Ku Fei being the most notable Partner and her very nature hinting at the previous deaths of other characters, Chao's dramatic reveal, the use of the fact that 22 years older and 25 years older don't look very different, and of course Asuna needing to die), but as I was writing out the theory here, I added some (the whole coda with Chao involving the different alternate realities and the hint at who her "X"-grandmother is) and fleshed out a bit (old Ku's death, which was always planned, as it's dramatic and all of the future Partners are expendable by the end, and her bonding with Kaede) and got what you see above. Maybe one of these days I'll flesh it out and add all that annoying stuff a full story needs (like something more than just the semblance of plot, and dialog, and details) and drop it in the Fanfic forum. I did have a rather juicy idea for future Chisame to be nearly homicidally crazy. But I can't actually write worth a crap, so don't count on it.

As for any basis in what we've seen before, unfortunately, there's little more than the thematic, although nothing in here is impossible, or even unlikely, based on what we've seen up to now. The time travel to the present time is limited to being from the next tree event and the one after Chao's return, as it should be. Dark Negi's would have been via Cassiopeia—or more likely a derivative, not geared for such long-term transport as Chao's would need—(re)manufactured with the benefit of Hakase and almost 20 years of research on the original, and he wouldn't have needed a way back. Chao's would have been easily remanufactured by herself, and upgraded in that she was able to figure out how to store tree energy from the 21 interim years so that she gets two long trips out of it. I doubt we're not going to be seeing Chao again by the end of the story, and a Negi masquerading as the real Nagi story seemed a good way to broach it, as there would already have to be time travel involved.

And yes, even in this story, the Nagi from 6 years ago and before was really Nagi, and Dark Negi only came back to this time, as it was the most opportune time (for some eventually explained or more likely ignored reason) for Asuna to die, and he couldn't take two big trips anyway.
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Theories on Ako's fear of blood (and dismemberment it seems in 199):

1: She's a clone of something, sorta like a magical-created human drone used for fodder in battle:

2: She murdered the boy that turned her down (perhaps multiple personality disorder).

3: (Actual in Manga) Ako stated that she, unlike Negi and Nagi, does not have a tragic flaws or histories compareable to them, that would make them considered a main character.
Using these previous theories, here's what I surmise that will happen in the future:

A. She'll perhaps get violent towards 'Nagi'
B. She'll end up getting traumatized from her own possible past and step up as what she considers as a main character, and will probably not like it.
C. She dies to exemplify Negi's status as a main character.
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^i'm not sure about A or C... the manga seems to lighthearted overall for something like that...
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^
I'll have to agree.

Possible but isn't it more likely that she developed a fear of blood after she received her scar through some bloody accident(or some purposely inflicted wound)?

That's my thought on that topic anyway... sorta. Can't really wrap that up without theorizing what had caused the scar.



QUOTE (quigonkenny)
See, I actually think the opposite. As you have noted below the above quote, "The greatest villains are those with ties to the main characters." That is of course certainly true if well written, but one of the things that often characterizes poor writing is the bringing in of characters in the last bit of the story who "have been involved in it since before the beginning, but you've never seen them and we've never talked about them", which is more or less what you are suggesting. At least the Negi's mother theory has the benefit of her existence being conspicuous by its absence. The story's over halfway done, and if we haven't even had conversation about the final bad guy, it's a bit of a copout to bring them up now, much less later, as it makes the reader think that the author didn't want to leave any clues because they're afraid we'd figure it out.

This is one of the reasons why we see this so often in long format sources (it's annoyingly common in manga and anime) because there simply is so much time that the storyline is out there, that if you don't have a big bad yet, fingers start pointing everywhere. Look through the Manga Discussion Board and I suspect that at one point or another, a finger is pointed at at least half the 2/3-A class, and 80% of the adult characters. As far as we know at this point, Konoka is the big bad, and that's hopefully the way KA wants it, so that by the time he reveals who it is, we'll be amazed at the little hints and suggestions he had been leaving that we'd missed or misinterpreted, instead of facepalming because it was really High Mucketymuck JimBob Jetback of the Istanbul Magic association, who we just heard about 5 panels ago, but has an amazing number of connections to current events and every character that we could have never guessed at.

I won't say it won't happen, I just think he's going to have to pull all kind of literary acrobatics to make it look good.

And you know, if well done, Konoka as the big bad could be interesting...


Hah, we're definitely have different views on this.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
You say tamato, I say red round veggie thingie.

Though I agree that bringing in an important character near the end would be a bit of a copout.
But I don't feel that it's nearly too late.

It's already past the halfway point?
I see as 'It's only past the halfway point'. The approximate addition of 15ish more volumes is plenty of time to introduce a character that wouldn't feel like a copout, even less so if the characters had ties to existing characters and situations even for the final.
Maybe if they were subtle the person's existence here and there.

I guess I'm trying to say is I think it could still work and be good.
But it really all depends on whether or not the manga will actually dive deeper and decide to reveal the nature of the attacks on Asuna & Negi's town or if the story about it doesn't match (could've even been just a random raid).

As finals go, I really don't want to see it being another one of Negi's students. Eva was kinda fun, Chao was surprisingly dangerous, a 3rd would feel overplayed.
It'd be likely that she'd follow a similar hindrance both the previous one faced, being limited to a time and/or place, otherwise she would've acted by now right?
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