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 Unresolved and settled Negima Issues, Negima plots, resolved and unresolved
Esperman
Posted: Feb 7 2006, 08:18 PM


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Eh, then McDowell is sure getting off with a small payment for Karakuri...

Sure information about magic could be very valuable but for an autonomous robot, that's a pretty good deal that McDowell got...

For Kagurazaka, I think her eye color is merely a genetic recombination...

Wiki has the name of the condition but it isn't anything special... (Though it is rare in humans... But the conditions dogs have *Usually Siberian Huskies...* where one eye is blue and the other is brown, *Those are the usual colors that result from the gene...* is basically the same condition found with Kagurazaka... Though in humans, the condition doesn't change the color of the eyes as much as it does with dogs... I'd say Kagurazaka's case is more of the "serious" or "extreme" cases though it isn't necessarily bad...)

And I guess that could be plausible for Chao since she is in 5 other clubs besides the martial arts club...

As for my questions, eh, I don't think they're anything special... (But thanks for that compliment though...)
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 12:29 AM


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Just a note for all. Chachamaru depends on Eva for power for her movement and many other key functions. Eva is her source of power.

Chao and Hakase probably built Chachamaru for the purpose of testing magic/technological compatibility.

Because her source of power comes from Eva, they merely have Chachamaru as her ministra. In that way, they pay Eva for her troubles.

Eva still has enough power to keep her barrier up so she may also have enough power to power Chachamaru. Though the structure of Chachamaru allows Eva's power to be limited rather than Chachazero's full automotion allowed by magic. Basically, it's like this. Instead of using magic to fully control joints, Magic merely powers the motors in the joints.
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ZhangKhaiEn
Posted: Feb 8 2006, 01:00 AM


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Isn't Chachamaru stand-alone? She is shown functioning properly even outside Eva's magical influence...
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 01:04 AM


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No, same idea with Chachazero. Chachazero receives power from Eva even though she can be quite far away. Chachamaru works under the same ideas. She receives power from Eva for her main functions, but isn't as dependent.

If they were to install a battery of some sort into Chachamaru, she could still function. Her basic functions rely heavily on technology, however Magic is her power source for all of that mechanical infrastructure.
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 03:20 AM


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Hang on, but I thought that the purpose of Chachamaru was to be a stand-alone, self-functioning version of Chachazero, because Chachazero can't move by itself with Eva's magic powers so low.

My understanding of it was that Chachamaru's level of awareness and autonomy came about through being activated by Eva's magic, but that it is the 'key' that inserts into the back of her head that keeps her going (that key hasn't appeared much recently, but in some ways Chachamaru works like a wind-up doll)

But then again maybe not...I think in chapter 75 Haksae says that Chachamaru only needs magical energy to move, but that the rest of her is good old plain robotics.

Regardless, there is much, much, more to Chachamaru's construction and creation than has been revealed so far.
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 03:35 AM


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On Chachamaru's level of awareness magic has nothing to do with it.

Hakase hinted that Chachamaru's AI was modeled after the work of someone from MIT.

Hitoshi Kobe of AI ga Tomarenai / AI Love You.

The fact that Hitoshi's former math teacher Nitta is now the head diciplinarian teacher in Mahora middle school supports this.

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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 11:47 AM


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Asuna has Heterochromia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia

Either that, or she's a Mary Sue. biggrin.gif
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 12:03 PM


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QUOTE (Balthazars @ Feb 8 2006, 03:20 AM)
Hang on, but I thought that the purpose of Chachamaru was to be a stand-alone, self-functioning version of Chachazero, because Chachazero can't move by itself with Eva's magic powers so low.

My understanding of it was that Chachamaru's level of awareness and autonomy came about through being activated by Eva's magic, but that it is the 'key' that inserts into the back of her head that keeps her going (that key hasn't appeared much recently, but in some ways Chachamaru works like a wind-up doll)

But then again maybe not...I think in chapter 75 Haksae says that Chachamaru only needs magical energy to move, but that the rest of her is good old plain robotics.

Regardless, there is much, much, more to Chachamaru's construction and creation than has been revealed so far.

My theory on the purpose of the key.

Her motor functions, and other necessary functions still require magic, however Eva doesn't have enough to fully keep her going like one of her other dolls so the key is also there to aleviate some of the energy requirements. She still has enough movement to turn her own key.
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 06:43 PM


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Ok edit* Forget everything i said i mistook Zhang for the other guy, sorry that was my bad, this isnt spam mods its an edited post.

This information is very good but if anyone else can think of an unresolved plot id like it biggrin.gif I know there are more, lets think bak to kyoto arc and that what happened that was important and still requires and explanation.
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Posted: Feb 8 2006, 09:24 PM


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Just some little thoughts that i came up with about negi's and nekane's relationship...

i pretty much think of her as his (half-)sister...
b/c He refers to her as his big sister, which isn't usual in wales, where he lived for his whole life (as far as we are aware of it) until he came to japan for his teaching-job.

I don't think he really has been living after the japanese traditions. That would be more than unusual for a britain... if he lived after those traditions i think the whole village must have lived after those for him to not forget/mix up those traditions...
The only thing possible is imo, that he might not be aware of nekane as not being his sister.

if akamatsu-sensei really did his work well and thought of the britain traditions and so on, it wouldn't make sense of negi reffering to her as 'sister' instead of 'aunty' or something like that.

For me it is more common to refer to someone older than me and not related to me as 'aunt' or 'uncle' as 'sister' or 'brother'. Should be the same for britain, most times even more polite, thinking.

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Posted: Feb 9 2006, 01:19 PM


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Considering the fact that Akamatsu is Japanese and how easily Negi assimilated the Japanese culture, I believe that it was his intention of creating a child already close to the asian culture. Also, Nagi had already lived in Japan for a while. That village in Japan had ties to him. What if that culture of that village was rooted in Japanese formalities.
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QUOTE (Naegi @ Feb 7 2006, 03:39 PM)
QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 7 2006, 02:56 PM)
QUOTE (Naegi @ Feb 7 2006, 01:49 PM)
I wasnt actually asking those questions its rhetorical

Then what is the point?

... can you not read? The title is the bloody point maybe?

The title says "unresolved and settled Negima issues". This suggests that if the answers exist then issues can be moved from "unresolved" to "settled" and nowhere in the OP does it mention anything about the questions being rhetorical so I don't see why you have a problem with people providing anwers.

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did you even read my whole last post it explained exactly.

OK...
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willhelm said it i know but i mean in general for instance its still petrified and its unresolved because its STILL petrified.

The question was "Petrified still?", you just stated yourself that it is so.. how is this unresolved?

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For instance you said about nekane being his cousin? for all we know she could tell him at a later date their not really related at all...

Del Rey have stated quite clearly that she is his cousin. Whether or not they were corrected by Akamatsu et al, the information in the novels themselves is enough to validate the point. There's no point second guessing.. I could ask
"Is Nekane really a time traveller from 3000 years in the future who uses exotic mind powers, inherited from her mother who was half alien, to fool everyone into thinking that she is Negi's cousin"
Although all the infomation at the moment clearly point to "no", by your argument the chance that they may reveal this at some point in the future means that it should be added to your list as "unresolved".
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Posted: Feb 9 2006, 11:19 PM


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QUOTE ("Shiroi Hane")
Del Rey have stated quite clearly that she is his cousin. Whether or not they were corrected by Akamatsu et al, the information in the novels themselves is enough to validate the point.


Sorry.. but that = PHAIL sad.gif When aiming for accuracy, we should always stick to the original publication (in this case, Japanese) since foreign publishers and translators often misinterpret, misread, or just plain misprint information. And

to cite Del Rey, even! Come on! happy.gif

--- continuing on ---

On Chachazero:

On ch.75, p.12 of the AQS scanlation, Hakase explicitly says:

"Yes, that is correct. Even though her mobility is powerd by magic, She's different from Eva-chan's other dolls."

"Chachamaru's actuation*, body structure, atomic computer, artificial intelligence, and so on are products of science made by me."

"The basic structure of the 'Mutually Wisdom System' was given to me by M.I.T." (As RedWolf suggested, this might be a nod to Hitoshi Kobe of AI ga Tomarenai / AI Love You)

That might explain some things. So basically,

Magic = Movement, Speech, Feelings(?)
Science = Body Structure, OS, AI, etc..

or am I still lacking something? tongue.gif

* info: for those who didn't know, the muscle-equivalent of robots are called "actuators". The term "actuation" itself means "to make somebody/something act or behave in a certain way" or "to make a device move or work".

wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuators

btw, Chachamaru really likes TIFF file formats, eh? happy.gif Maybe that's because Hakase can annotate the images using her Windows Picture and Fax Viewer, lol.. Also, I can't wait for the "Artificial Skin" Hakase was talking about! happy.gif

--- wait wait, what did you post Naegi? ---

tongue.gif what did you edit out? something bout me? tongue.gif

--- as for ttx on Nekane ---

What nationality and/or ethnicity are you, ttx? Do you (informally) call older cousins "aunty" or "uncle"?

In Chinese/Japanese/Korean culture, anyone older or with more authority can be refered to as "big sister" or "big brother".

If the age difference is really big, or when referring to an older family friend or an elderly person, "aunty" or "uncle" becomes more appropriate.

Calling an elderly person "aunty" or "uncle" instead of "grandma" or "grandpa" is often seen as more polite, especially if they aren't directly related to you. On some extremities, calling an old person with tremendous authority "grandma" or "grandpa" is seen as insulting.

e.g.

related:
Me to my female cousin, senior by 5 yrs - big sis, or rarely, aunty (refer to Keitaro and Haruka of Love Hina)
Me to my mother's second cousin - aunty, NEVER big sis!
Me to my mother's second cousin's mother - aunty, NEVER big sis!

unrelated:
Me to my female friend, senior by 8 yrs - big sis, or by name, NEVER aunty!
Me to my female guidance counselor - big sis, NEVER aunty!
Me to my friend's mother - aunty, NEVER big sis!
Me to my friend's grandmother - aunty, NEVER big sis!
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Posted: Feb 10 2006, 08:13 AM


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Perhaps Asuna-sana's ability to use both Magic and Ki/Chi so well has something to do with her eyes.
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Posted: Feb 10 2006, 09:24 AM


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but even before she learned how to use both, she already had heterochromia...
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Posted: Feb 10 2006, 02:43 PM


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QUOTE (ZhangKhaiEn@gmail.com @ Feb 9 2006, 11:19 PM)
QUOTE ("Shiroi Hane")
Del Rey have stated quite clearly that she is his cousin. Whether or not they were corrected by Akamatsu et al, the information in the novels themselves is enough to validate the point.


Sorry.. but that = PHAIL sad.gif When aiming for accuracy, we should always stick to the original publication (in this case, Japanese) since foreign publishers and translators often misinterpret, misread, or just plain misprint information. And

to cite Del Rey, even! Come on! happy.gif

Re-read my second sentence again; no matter why Del Rey chose to make the change, the Japanese manga backs them up. In case you missed it the second time, I'll repost again my comments based on the Japanese text:

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Negi and everyone else (including Nagi) refers to Nekane as his sister (onee-chan), however in Japan it is common for children to refer to older girls as "Onee-chan", especially when they hasve grown up together like brother and sister as Negi and Nekane have.

The man Nekane refers to as her Father (Otou-san), Negi calls Uncle (Oji-san). Again, it is common for children to refer to any man as Ojisan, however Nekane's surname is also Springfield which means she and Negi are related so it is highly plausible that Negi is being brought up by his actual uncle. It is also possible that he adopted both of them, but in which case you might expect Negi to also refer to his as Father.
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What nationality and/or ethnicity are you, ttx? Do you (informally) call older cousins "aunty" or "uncle"?

maybe that was written a bit too easy to misunderstand.
but i would rather refer to an (much) elder person as 'aunty' instead of 'sister' if there is no relation.
If she would be his cousin, it would be nearly a must to me, that he calls her 'cousin' all the time.

Just something I just read, afer rereading the 'flashbackpart' in vol 8:
Stan calls Nekane Negis sister too. I would like to say he should at least refer to her as negis cousin, if she is.


At the end I just have to say:
this is only a thought which should be correct, if akamatsu really cared about negis time before he came to japan and what he could have learned in case of behaviour and so on.

btw. in which delrey volume does he refer to her as his cousin? i only own the german volumes, so i don't know to which point of time he reffers to her as his cousin.
And in the end, i didn't read anything about nekane being his cousin anywhere except from the people here refering to the delrey volumes.
I guess most times you can trust scanlationteams more than official publishers. The publishers sometimes translae some things not as text near as it should be, just to fit in some things for the local releases or to hide translation-errors in earlier volumes. I noticed that in quite a few mangas i own.

edit: i didn't read the passage where nekane calls someone her father, where is that one?
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As to whether Nekane is Negi's cousin we cannot guarantee Del Ray's accuracy.

Their mistranslations are still fresh in our minds thus our reluctance to trust the interpretation that Nekane is Negi's cousin.

The original manga script does not say that Nekane is Negi's cousin.

I have to agree that Nekane's and Nagi's ages don't add up but until the original manga says that she is a cousin we cannot believe everything we read from Del Ray.



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Posted: Feb 10 2006, 04:10 PM


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QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 9 2006, 07:40 PM)
QUOTE (Naegi @ Feb 7 2006, 03:39 PM)
QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 7 2006, 02:56 PM)
QUOTE (Naegi @ Feb 7 2006, 01:49 PM)
I wasnt actually asking those questions its rhetorical

Then what is the point?

... can you not read? The title is the bloody point maybe?

The title says "unresolved and settled Negima issues". This suggests that if the answers exist then issues can be moved from "unresolved" to "settled" and nowhere in the OP does it mention anything about the questions being rhetorical so I don't see why you have a problem with people providing anwers.

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did you even read my whole last post it explained exactly.

OK...
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willhelm said it i know but i mean in general for instance its still petrified and its unresolved because its STILL petrified.

The question was "Petrified still?", you just stated yourself that it is so.. how is this unresolved?

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For instance you said about nekane being his cousin? for all we know she could tell him at a later date their not really related at all...

Del Rey have stated quite clearly that she is his cousin. Whether or not they were corrected by Akamatsu et al, the information in the novels themselves is enough to validate the point. There's no point second guessing.. I could ask
"Is Nekane really a time traveller from 3000 years in the future who uses exotic mind powers, inherited from her mother who was half alien, to fool everyone into thinking that she is Negi's cousin"
Although all the infomation at the moment clearly point to "no", by your argument the chance that they may reveal this at some point in the future means that it should be added to your list as "unresolved".

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You have the amazing nack of annoying me, amazing hardly anyone annoys me, except Jalex maybe.

For the last time.
I dont need to say their rhetorical unless your thick somehow to an extent i can't even contemplate. They're issues in the form of questions, they aren't actually asking someone a question in themselves, they are a topic, with a questionmark because it's unresolved and unknown.

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The question was "Petrified still?", you just stated yourself that it is so.. how is this unresolved?


I know it's petrified still there's a questionmark because it hasnt been turned back to normal...

Negi's town is still petrified, theres a questionmark because we dont know if it will ever be resolved as in, Knonoka heals the town. Until the town is reverted from pertrified back to normal to me its unresolved. Understand yet?

Let me make it a tad clearer.

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Del Rey have stated quite clearly that she is his cousin.


Ok let me see how i can explain this, the fact that del ray said she's his cousin is disregardless in the issue. Say both Negima started off one with Nekane as his sister and the other his cousin. Say they got to the same spot and she said shes truly not even related to Negi by blood, that is what i mean by events. That was hard to explain but is the best way i can think of explaining to you...

And i dont need to add shes a time traveler because i gave off the general idea by the idea of my actual issue, so that whatever she may be revealed as in the future its on my unresolve list. Thats why i said "Any family relation"

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Who turned Eva into a Vampire and why?


Ok last way for me to explain this, see that above, who turned eva into a vampire and why. This isnt me asking who and why its an issue, when we find out who turned eva into a vampire and why, (If we do at all) ill add it to the resolved list.

Please someone does undertsand this, this guy is just being an idiot right?
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QUOTE (RedWolf @ Feb 10 2006, 03:50 PM)
As to whether Nekane is Negi's cousin we cannot guarantee Del Ray's accuracy.

Their mistranslations are still fresh in our minds

I know. I even started listing them.
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thus our reluctance to trust the interpretation that Nekane is Negi's cousin.

The original manga script does not say that Nekane is Negi's cousin.

I have to agree that Nekane's and Nagi's ages don't add up but until the original manga says that she is a cousin we cannot believe everything we read from Del Ray.

Unlike us, Del Rey have direct access to the creators who may have pointed out the error to them. Regardless you seem to have forgotten to quote my text where I refer to the original manga script which does back Del Rey up anyway (her father = Negi's uncle, an uncles child = a cousin, Nekane = Negi's cousin.)

QUOTE (Naegi @ Feb 10 2006, 04:10 PM)
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Who turned Eva into a Vampire and why?


Ok last way for me to explain this, see that above, who turned eva into a vampire and why. This isnt me asking who and why its an issue, when we find out who turned eva into a vampire and why, (If we do at all) ill add it to the resolved list.

Please someone does undertsand this, this guy is just being an idiot right?

This 'idiot' never mentioned anything about how Eva became a vampire. Since you brought it up, iirc she hunted down and killed the guy who did it which is somewhat of a resolution in itself.. the name of a guy who's been dead for hundreds of years is largely immaterial.
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Error?

Do not jump into conclusions.

Until Akamatsu himself says it is a fact in his fiction we will not consider Del Rey's interpretation as evidence.

Whether Akamatsu shared notes is still speculation.

Wait until he writes Nekane into the story again.

Or until he makes an omake.
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QUOTE
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Who turned Eva into a Vampire and why?



Ok last way for me to explain this, see that above, who turned eva into a vampire and why. This isnt me asking who and why its an issue, when we find out who turned eva into a vampire and why, (If we do at all) ill add it to the resolved list.

Please someone does undertsand this, this guy is just being an idiot right?


This 'idiot' never mentioned anything about how Eva became a vampire. Since you brought it up, iirc she hunted down and killed the guy who did it which is somewhat of a resolution in itself.. the name of a guy who's been dead for hundreds of years is largely immaterial.



That was an example of me explaining it... You didn't read it at all did you lol... The point is it is't resolved, read the first post, no matter how strong or minor the issues. The person who turned her into a vampire turned her into a shinso vampire not a normal one, dont you find the the least bit of an issue?

Umm im not argueing anymore, stop questioning the topic if you dont like it dont read it. They arent questions, so dont give answers because you think your a know it all.

Gotta love good first impressions tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 10 2006, 05:18 PM)
Unlike us, Del Rey have direct access to the creators.

Just a little question:
Do they really own the rights to see the scripts and do they really get to talk to akamatsus team?

for normal translations from publishers i would say its like this:
they buy the rights through another company not directly from the mangaka and his team. they only own the right to edit and publish the series in another country, they don't have the scripts/other informations.
(i assume this from the fact that they don't even get the manga without the text/sfx for their releases.)

next thing is:
WHERE is the point nekane refers to stan (you seem to refer to him when you say negi calls him ojiisama) as her father? i would certainly like to see that passage, maybe the scanlated page maybe the raw, as you like.
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QUOTE (RedWolf @ Feb 10 2006, 05:41 PM)
Error?

Do not jump into conclusions.

Until Akamatsu himself says it is a fact in his fiction we will not consider Del Rey's interpretation as evidence.

Whether Akamatsu shared notes is still speculation. 

Wait until he writes Nekane into the story again.

Or until he makes an omake.

Actually, as licensees, and approved by the Japanese publishers Del Rey (and by that matter Chuang Yi) have the official English translation and adaptation of Negima!.

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QUOTE (ttx @ Feb 10 2006, 06:18 PM)
WHERE is the point nekane refers to stan (you seem to refer to him when you say negi calls him ojiisama) as her father? i would certainly like to see that passage, maybe the scanlated page maybe the raw, as you like.

I'm not talking about Stan, I'm talking about the man Negi and Nekane were living with before the incident. From chapter 65 and referring to the Del Rey translation since naturally everyone here will have a copy:
Around page 69 (why are page numbers so few and far between?), where Negi is in bed after almost drowning, Nekane runs in and says "Father! Is it true Negi nearly drowned?". The term used in the original manga was u‚¨•ƒ‚³‚Üv (otōsama, father).
Bottom of page 72, when Negi runs into him and a group of other villagers petrfied and says "un...cle?", the original version says
u‚¨‚¶..‚³‚ñ....Hv (ojisan, uncle)

[edit]Correcting chapter number and adding page numbers[/edit]

This post has been edited by Shiroi Hane on Feb 10 2006, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 10 2006, 07:23 PM)
From chapter 64 and referring to the Del Rey translation since naturally everyone here will have a copy

i see your point, but would like to have the raw for confirmation...
b/c naturally i won't buy the delrey-translations if i neither live in the us nor in england.

since your quite confident in refering to the original text, you might provide the page (ch65p12) for me pls. i only got the scanlated version and there doesn't occur the word 'father'... and i still don't think such an important word would be left out by a translator and the editors...



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Someone remind me again why the hell are we fighting over Nekane's identity?
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Yeah, is it really that big a deal if Nekane is Negi's sis or cousin?

Straying from that topic, I wanna revisit the thing about Konoka's power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly in the Kyoto arc the principle called Eishun son-in-law. Does this mean that Konoka inherited her power from her mothers side. Eishun did mention something about the Konoe bloodline. And is there some special procedure for taking the surname of the mother?Or maybe, Eishun is actually cousins (here it is again) with his wife?
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i'm wonder also about paru strange ability,you know what i mean:she can read other people's feeling.Do you think than this has something to do with magic?Some sort of latent power pehraps?Like to know what you think about it.
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QUOTE (shinji9585 @ Feb 11 2006, 06:31 AM)
Yeah, is it really that big a deal if Nekane is Negi's sis or cousin?

Straying from that topic, I wanna revisit the thing about Konoka's power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly in the Kyoto arc the principle called Eishun son-in-law. Does this mean that Konoka inherited her power from her mothers side. Eishun did mention something about the Konoe bloodline. And is there some special procedure for taking the surname of the mother?Or maybe, Eishun is actually cousins (here it is again) with his wife?

Most will be confused that the man will take the name of his wife.

It is called Mukoyoshi a tradition among prestigious families.

Mukoyoushi – a man marries to his wife’s family and is considered a surrogate son

Thus that is the reason why Eishun is named Konoe like the principal.
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QUOTE (ttx @ Feb 10 2006, 08:08 PM)
QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 10 2006, 07:23 PM)
From chapter 64 and referring to the Del Rey translation since naturally everyone here will have a copy

i see your point, but would like to have the raw for confirmation...
b/c naturally i won't buy the delrey-translations if i neither live in the us nor in england.

since your quite confident in refering to the original text, you might provide the page (ch65p12) for me pls. i only got the scanlated version and there doesn't occur the word 'father'... and i still don't think such an important word would be left out by a translator and the editors...



still doubting,
ttx

I refer to the English version since for most people locating text in English is a lot easier. The page numbers are the same in the Japanese manga, so If I've counted correctly then it's the same page.
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Hi,

I am kind of new to these discusions so if my question was answered on a previous post, please do tell me.

huh.gif I am kinda thinking about Negi, Nagi and what Chao mentioned as being related by blood. First of all, if Nagi was Negi's dad, then where's mom. Since dad's all famous, how come mom was never mentioned.

huh.gif Chao has this time traveling device, and furthermore, she has the equipment and finance, not to mention way advanced technology at her disposal. I was thinking, is she from the future or something. It does ring a bell though. Given this as a presumption, I came to a theory, is Negi and Nagi the same person. Since Negi was using Nagi as his name when he's turned into a grown up.

Evangeline is a mage, not only that, she's a shinso. Given the fact that she want's the curse upon her lifted, would'nt that be bad for negi and co? Since the level of enemies Negi has to face are the same one's that's after the thousand master. He'd need all the help that he needs.

Asuna has this skill which completely nullifies magic. So how did she manage to have a provisional contract with Negi? is'nt the contract magical in nature?

Although it is also too coincidental, how come almost everyone on class 3-A are weird, as Chiisame kept mentioning. Also given the fact that the whole faculty knows about this, why would they keep them all together. It seemed that they were doing it on purpose. And what more, they have exemplary skills fit for a mage looking for comrades. But then again, it's manga.. everything is a coincidence.

Looking at Negima from a distance, I kept seeing the idea of the legend of the monkey king. It seemed like Negi is on a perilous path and he gets to have comrades with powerful skills to aid him. But on the surface, I keep on seeing Love Hina all over again lol tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Shiroi Hane @ Feb 11 2006, 08:52 AM)
I refer to the English version since for most people locating text in English is a lot easier. The page numbers are the same in the Japanese manga, so If I've counted correctly then it's the same page.

just to get a clear statement:
do you refer only to the english version of delrey,
or do you refer to the original japanese text by Akamatsu?

if you do refer to the japanese version, please upload that page (69 as you said, or v8ch65p12) to imageshack or some service like that one.

i hope in the end you now get what i want as a confirmation unsure.gif
if you can't take the japanese version as evidence, i would call this for now a doubtable-'delrey'-translation - nothing more.
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The japanese text in my post was not made up, it came directly from the Japanese manga, kana for kana, kanji for kanji, dot for dot even. I didn't feel like dragging my scanner out after midnight when I'd just got home from work. I get home earlier today so I'll see what I can do.
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@ Nadeshiko


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Nagi and what Chao mentioned as being related by blood. First of all, if Nagi was Negi's dad, then where's mom. Since dad's all famous, how come mom was never mentioned.


During Negi's match with Setsuna we learned from the info Chao spread Negi didn't have a mom. Along with a missing father.

She wasn't around to raise Negi a far as we know.

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Chao has this time traveling device, and furthermore, she has the equipment and finance, not to mention way advanced technology at her disposal. I was thinking, is she from the future or something. It does ring a bell though. Given this as a presumption, I came to a theory, is Negi and Nagi the same person. Since Negi was using Nagi as his name when he's turned into a grown up.


As to Chao being from the future or an alien it is still unresolved.

No, When Alberio (Nagi's pal) became Nagi's living will ten years prior, Nagi didn't see Negi born yet.

Negi is Nagi's son.

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Evangeline is a mage, not only that, she's a shinso. Given the fact that she want's the curse upon her lifted, would'nt that be bad for negi and co? Since the level of enemies Negi has to face are the same one's that's after the thousand master. He'd need all the help that he needs.


Eva isn't Nagi's enemy. She chased him because she is in love with him.
Besides the goal of Negi and Eva are the same. Find Nagi.


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Asuna has this skill which completely nullifies magic. So how did she manage to have a provisional contract with Negi? is'nt the contract magical in nature?


Asuna's magic cancellation ability only works on offensive spells and magic barriers.

She herself can use magic and Ki prior to the death of Gatou. Who asked Takahata to erase her memories of him. Asuna was part at one point of Nagi's party.

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Although it is also too coincidental, how come almost everyone on class 3-A are weird, as Chiisame kept mentioning. Also given the fact that the whole faculty knows about this, why would they keep them all together. It seemed that they were doing it on purpose. And what more, they have exemplary skills fit for a mage looking for comrades. But then again, it's manga.. everything is a coincidence.


Not really that weird since Mahora has dozens of Magi Magisters and mage trainees.

It has been speculated before that 3-A is a secret VIP class.

Konoka, Asuna, Setsuna, Mana, Kaede, Chachamaru, Eva, Hakase, Chao...

And Negi being their Homeroom Teacher is not coincidence.

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Looking at Negima from a distance, I kept seeing the idea of the legend of the monkey king. It seemed like Negi is on a perilous path and he gets to have comrades with powerful skills to aid him. But on the surface, I keep on seeing Love Hina all over again lol tongue.gif


Well Negi is no Triptika.

He is a ten year old who is an opposite of Keitaro at the beginning of Love Hina.

He is making girls fall for him left and right effortlessly.

But unlike Keitaro, Negi does not understand what it is to like girl.

Keitaro had a girl in mind since he was five.

With Negi, Akamatsu deviated from his usual loser nice guy male protagonists like Hitoshi, Santa and Keitaro.
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QUOTE ("Shiroi Hane")
The japanese text in my post was not made up, it came directly from the Japanese manga, kana for kana, kanji for kanji, dot for dot even. I didn't feel like dragging my scanner out after midnight when I'd just got home from work. I get home earlier today so I'll see what I can do.


Where exactly did the japanese text come from?

QUOTE ("jinto")
i'm wonder also about paru strange ability,you know what i mean:she can read other people's feeling.Do you think than this has something to do with magic?Some sort of latent power pehraps?Like to know what you think about it.


I think that's what people call "High EQ"

:: EQ Wikipedia Link - Click Here ::

Redwolf is correct. Eishun's surname is due to Mukoyoshi. ...what was the Principal's given name again? I forgot... tongue.gif

Quoting from wikipedia:

In Japan, women surrender their surnames upon marriage, and use the surnames of their husbands. However, a convention that a man uses his wife's family name if the wife is an only child is sometimes observed. A similar tradition called ru zhui (入贅) is common among Chinese when the bride's family is wealthy and has no son but wants the heir to pass on their assets under the same family name. It is worth noting that the Chinese character zhui (贅) carries a money radical (貝), which implies that this tradition was originally based on financial reasons. All their offspring will carry the mother's family name. Usually the groom or his family would not agree with such arrangement if he were the first born who has an obligation to carry his own ancestor's name. In such situation, a compromise may be reached in that the first male child would carry the mother's family name while the other offspring carry the father's family name. The tradition is still in use in many Chinese communities outside of mainland China.

QUOTE ("RedWolf")
QUOTE ("Nadeshiko")
Nagi and what Chao mentioned as being related by blood. First of all, if Nagi was Negi's dad, then where's mom. Since dad's all famous, how come mom was never mentioned.

During Negi's match with Setsuna we learned from the info Chao spread Negi didn't have a mom. Along with a missing father.

She wasn't around to raise Negi a far as we know.


That's in vol.13,ch.115 for easy reference. (lol @ ayaka laugh.gif) And about his mother not being mentioned.. just wait for the next volume or so.. Akamatsu's compelled to reveal at least a small hint about Negi's mom. He SHOULD be! wink.gif

QUOTE ("RedWolf")
QUOTE ("Nadeshiko")
Chao has this time traveling device, and furthermore, she has the equipment and finance, not to mention way advanced technology at her disposal. I was thinking, is she from the future or something. It does ring a bell though. Given this as a presumption, I came to a theory, is Negi and Nagi the same person. Since Negi was using Nagi as his name when he's turned into a grown up.

As to Chao being from the future or an alien it is still unresolved.

No, When Alberio (Nagi's pal) became Nagi's living will ten years prior, Nagi didn't see Negi born yet.

Negi is Nagi's son.


It's quite plausible that she's from the future, seeing as she has superior technology. Here's a (quite popular) theory:

LingShen has had a changing(bad? traumatic?) experience with magic and the inner world, and for some reason, goes back in time to try to reveal the existence of magic, which might change future events as she knows it.

LingShen as a Martian, though... I'd say that was more of a joke than a statement...

She did say she was related to Negi.. which means she's related to Nagi as well.. <- the future event??

"Martians don't lie, ne?" wink.gif

The theory that Negi = Nagi is also quite popular. Some say it was Negi(as Nagi) that saved his younger self 6 years ago during the destruction of his village.

However, as Redwolf said, currently, Negi = Nagi's son until proven otherwise.

QUOTE ("RedWolf")
QUOTE ("Nadeshiko")
Evangeline is a mage, not only that, she's a shinso. Given the fact that she want's the curse upon her lifted, would'nt that be bad for negi and co? Since the level of enemies Negi has to face are the same one's that's after the thousand master. He'd need all the help that he needs.

Eva isn't Nagi's enemy. She chased him because she is in love with him.
Besides the goal of Negi and Eva are the same. Find Nagi.


What Redwolf said.

But the strange thing about Eva being a shinso is that shinso means "true ancestor". How can she be a true ancestor vampire if she was turned into one? Does this mean she had latent vampiric potential in the first place? Hmm...

QUOTE ("RedWolf")
QUOTE ("Nadeshiko")
Asuna has this skill which completely nullifies magic. So how did she manage to have a provisional contract with Negi? is'nt the contract magical in nature?

Asuna's magic cancellation ability only works on offensive spells and magic barriers.

She herself can use magic and Ki prior to the death of Gatou. Who asked Takahata to erase her memories of him. Asuna was part at one point of Nagi's party.


I'd like to put this issue up as well: Wasn't it because of the magic cancellation that the love potion didn't affect Asuna? (vol.1,ch.2) I'm quite certain that's not an offensive spell. But then again, the term "offensive" might strictly mean "against the person's best interests" so meh. tongue.gif

QUOTE ("RedWolf")
QUOTE ("Nadeshiko")
Although it is also too coincidental, how come almost everyone on class 3-A are weird, as Chiisame kept mentioning. Also given the fact that the whole faculty knows about this, why would they keep them all together. It seemed that they were doing it on purpose. And what more, they have exemplary skills fit for a mage looking for comrades. But then again, it's manga.. everything is a coincidence.


Not really that weird since Mahora has dozens of Magi Magisters and mage trainees.

It has been speculated before that 3-A is a secret VIP class.

Konoka, Asuna, Setsuna, Mana, Kaede, Chachamaru, Eva, Hakase, Chao...

And Negi being their Homeroom Teacher is not coincidence.



How come everyone is weird? So there'd be a story, captain obvious! laugh.gif The whole faculty doesn't "keep" them together. Some Asian schools prefer to keep classes together from Primary 1 to Middle 6 to encourage teamwork and cohesiveness. Mahora is no exception.

However, 3-A being a VIP class, well, that may have been planned from the start by the principal, eh? After vol.9,ch.79, I'm certain the principal's always up to something... (I'm talking about the image of Negi and Konoka) tongue.gif

QUOTE ("RedWolf")
QUOTE ("Nadeshiko")
Looking at Negima from a distance, I kept seeing the idea of the legend of the monkey king. It seemed like Negi is on a perilous path and he gets to have comrades with powerful skills to aid him. But on the surface, I keep on seeing Love Hina all over again lol tongue.gif


Well Negi is no Triptika.

He is a ten year old who is an opposite of Keitaro at the beginning of Love Hina.

He is making girls fall for him left and right effortlessly.

But unlike Keitaro, Negi does not understand what it is to like girl.

Keitaro had a girl in mind since he was five.

With Negi, Akamatsu deviated from his usual loser nice guy male protagonists like Hitoshi, Santa and Keitaro.



Except that Negi is still a nice guy. Much nicer than those 3 actually. wink.gif
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The important bit of text is right near the spine and the curvature is too tight for me to scan without either producing a dark blur or mangling my manga, but I've found raw scans of volume 8 and uploaded those instead:

http://anime.thenexxus.org/negima/stuff/negima_v08_pg069.jpg
http://anime.thenexxus.org/negima/stuff/negima_v08_pg072.jpg

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QUOTE (ttx @ Feb 10 2006, 08:08 PM)
i only got the scanlated version and there doesn't occur the word 'father'... and i still don't think such an important word would be left out by a translator and the editors...

I've also dug out a scanslation, and as you say the text for that panel there is just "is it true that Negi drowned?". The version I have appears to have been produced using a raw scan from the original weeklies, if you're so sure that the scanslators would not have left the word out then it is possible that the Japanese text was revised for the manga version, but I don't have that version to compare.
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...where's the important japanese text there that lead you to say:

"no matter why Del Rey chose to make the change, the Japanese manga backs them up"? sad.gif

sorry to sound so disbelieving, but I really can't follow.
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Nekane calls this man
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Negi calls him
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uncle
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I got that point, wink.gif but what I couldn't follow was

"no matter why Del Rey chose to make the change, the Japanese manga backs them up"

What did you mean by that? Was the Del Ray publishing prior to the Japanese one?
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