battle of the titans, Mana Vs Kaede

If the tournament could have held this match-up who do you think could or should have won and why for these 2 are probably the 2 strongest among all in the class so try your luck the bet is on!!!

Mana, just because she'd probably be more serious than kaede. Kaede was just in it for the fun. Mana had that prize money to look forward too. theres also the difference in combat experiance. Mana's been fighting forever. and from what i seen from kaede, mostly all her experiance is from her training. Mana fights for a living.

I'd say Nagase...

Yes, I know Tatsumiya lost on purpose against her match against Kuu, but still...

Nagase acutally gave Imma a serious battle and by her expressions, I get a feeling she wasn't giving it her all since she kinda knew that Springfield needed to confront Imma and his dad...

Plus, Tatsumiya had trouble with Shakti... (Or it seemed like she did...)

Nagase probably wouldn't have had that much trouble...

I'm not trying to diss Tatsumiya since she almost ties with Saotome as my tenth favorite character and I'm not trying to glorify Nagase cause I actually prefer Tatsumiya over Nagase... (Not by that much, Nagase runs RIGHT underneath Tatsumiya...)

But yeah, if they ever had to fight each other, I get a feeling that Nagase might come out victorious...

Maybe by barely but I would have to vote Nagase...

Personally, I'd rather not have that since I am a person who really likes the Tatsumiya/Nagase pairing... (The Manede pairing as it is popularly called...)

Though I can easily say Tatsumiya is a lot more intimidating that Nagase and can be a lot scarier as well... (In a good way...)

She was actually paying with Shakti. Her orders were to keep those without a ticket or special permission from Chao out of the tournament grounds. Once the tournament was over, however it once again became Tatsumiya shrine.

Thus, she wasn't really fighting Shakit, merely keeping her a fair distance away.

according to official sources, Kaede is stronger then Mana

really? i had no idea, well im too lazy to look back on previous chapters right now to see if Kaede is indead stronger than mana.

I just possted she was screwing with Shakti, nothing more. Correcting an error in another's post.

(I voted for Kaede)

Wow, this is gonna be very interesting!

Mana Tatsumiya Vs. Kaede Nagase, two of the most powerful girls in Negi's class about to lock horns!

Personally, I'm going with Nagase on this one... not that I have nothing against Tatsumiya, though...

Though she was only playing with Shakti, she still had trouble keeping Shakti out of the grounds and for all we know, Shakti might not have really wanted to enter but just keep Tatsumiya busy...

When the whole series ends, I predict these top 5 girls in order of power:

1. Evangeline A.K. McDowell
2. Chao Lingshen
3. Zazie Rainyday
4. Sakurazaki Setsuna
5. Nagase Kaede

Hmm... This would be a tough one. But I'm gonna go with Kaede. Tatsumiya did say that she didn't lose completely on purpose against Ku Fei. Kaede seems to be the one who also fights the stronger opponents (like Col. Sanders) and certainly does a good job at holding up against them.

They're both so stong, though. So I think that if they did fight each other, it would be a very close battle.

I can see Asuna being the strongest towards the end, shes naturally the main female lead role, and im sure with actual training and conecntration her powers can go far beyond alot of the girls, i remember seeing a pic of her in armour with her huge sword out, and thats what i want to see in the near future Asuna is gonna eventually OWN! Think about it really though, she mastered the Ki and magic fusion technique in mere seconds, long before takahata... Look at takahata now, we know he let negi win by far, especially when albeiro shows gatous power and says takahatas alot stronger than gatou.

Lets face it to, shes going to have to be pretty tuff to stand along side negi anyhow, which is as she says she wants and intends to look after him, as much as she possibly can.

As for the topic, Kaeda. Why? Because with so many doubles how could mana know which one to shoot at? Plus Kaedas multiforms are actually almost as strong even split, of what Albeiro said.

Asuna will PWN Evangeline? Nah...

Of course, Setsuna pwned eva, i can see asuna surpassing setsuna eventually, even she commented how fast asuna learnt what she was teaching her.

asuna nullifies all her magic lol which is ownage in itself

Yeah, so far, it may seem like McDowell is the most powerful since you've gotten to see her perform so much...

For all we know, Rainyday could probably be more powerful than McDowell as we know it...

Heck, she acutally might be as powerful or more powerful than the Thousand Master...

We just don't know because we haven't seen Rainyday...

Though is Chao really supposed to be that strong?

If so, then the only thing I can think of to explain it is the fact that she's a powerful mage...

Well we know chao's a mage, she herself said it requires magic to power the time travel cassiopeia thing whatever its called, and she herself used it after the tournament to get away from the mages.

She said she can't use it by herself >.<
she could just have used the magic from the world-tree or the magic the ones following her were going to use.
If the concentration of Magic in the surrounding area is high enough, she might be able to use the 'clock' without being a mage.

as for the battle:
I woul also go for Kaede.
I dunno why, but she seems far more stronger than Mana.

Of course, Setsuna pwned eva, i can see asuna surpassing setsuna eventually, even she commented how fast asuna learnt what she was teaching her.

asuna nullifies all her magic lol which is ownage in itself

Eva voluntarily gave up after Setsuna escaped the magic dimension. She was just testing her, remember?

And official sources say

Setsuna > Kaede > Mana > Fei

when they're fighting no holds barred

Asuna's fighting comes mainly from her magic immunity, and her immense physical strength. Although she may lack experience in fighting, she uses her sheer strength to her advantage. However, with lack of proper fighting skills, that will be a disadvantage too!

^^^^

*remembers Asuna vs the Jack Robot*

Remember that each person in the martial arts four is ranked on their power with their weapon of choice...

I'd personally think Tatsumiya would probably stand no chance to Kuu if she was forced to fight by hand... (That means no guns and no coins...)

Same with Sakurazaki, except she did mention that Shinmeiryuu teaches to fight even without weapons... (Spoilers...)

I don't even think Nagase could stand a chance against Kuu if she was forced to fight by hand... (Because, frankly, I've acutally never seen Nagase punch or kick anyone straight out...)

Just like Kuu wouldn't stand a chance against Tatsumiya if Kuu was forced to use a gun or coins, or if she was forced to use a sword to fight Sakurazaki, or if she was forced to use throwing weapons to defeat Nagase...

Those were just examples... (I'm sure McDowell wouldn't stand a chance if she was to fight Kagurazaka only using physical attacks... *Which means no magic, no string wires, no magical barriers though that wouldn't pose a problem...* Just like Kagurazaka wouldn't stand a chance against Springfield if she was forced to fight using magic since she really can't use that much except for that one technique that Takamichi wanted to master but couldn't really use it...)

So, I guess this battle is dependent on what weapons/rules are enforced since I don't think Nagase could beat Tatsumiya if she had to use a gun...

thats a good point, though if there were no rules and everyone was able to use their choice of weapon, that'd be one big blood bath. if all 4 of them were to fight with no weapons, i'd think Kaede would win. i know Ku fei's forte is fighting with no weapons, but Kaede is kinda the same, and from the looks of it, she has way more moves too. and though we've never actually seen her use a sword, i think if she had to fight with a sword agaiants setsuna, she'd probably win. Ninja's are trained to use short swords or katanas.

She said she can't use it by herself >.<
she could just have used the magic from the world-tree or the magic the ones following her were going to use.
If the concentration of Magic in the surrounding area is high enough, she might be able to use the 'clock' without being a mage.

as for the battle:
I woul also go for Kaede.
I dunno why, but she seems far more stronger than Mana.

If you say it was magic from the world tree, why could only Negi use the time machine, if you put it like that Setsuna could've made it work...

you also cant really take anything chao says at face value at this point in the story. about the only thing i beleive from her is that shes a martian. though she may have been screwing around, i find it plausable. unless she was screwing around to tell the truth to make it seem like she was lying when she really isnt.(whew)

Im not reffering to when she said it requires magic to power but wouldnt Negi atleast say something if his magical energy wasnt being taken away and still being able to use the time machine, he'd atleast say she lied...

The time machine does require magic to power, and Chao has used it which leads me to simply beleive she is a witch or whatever.

I think Kaede would win because she is a better adaptive fighter, also everyone is forgetting her SOLID split body technique makes her more than a match for most opponets. If you remember Colonel Sanders talked her into quitting because he thought she was enough of a threat to him that he felt he had to do that. She might have been able to figure out how to beat him. As far as Kaede smiling during combat that is actually to conserve energy because smiling uses less energy than any other type of expression.

Though have you seen Nagase ever pull of a move with her bare hands or feet?

She's always using some sort of weapons...

Though I would totally disagree on Nagase being able to beat Sakurazaki with a sword...

Remember that Sakurazaki is a half-demon... (Heck, because she is, it kinda makes me feel that Sakurazaki could defeat Kuu hand-to-hand if Kuu really pissed Sakurazaki off...)

I mean, there's gotta be more than growing wings and having different color eyes and hair to Sakurazaki's half-demon condition...

Ken's the type of person who's been using other people's work to derive his non-human characters...

I would think he would be some sort of fan to Rumiko Takahashi and could use her character of Inu Yasha to form base abilities that Sakurazaki has...

Maybe a total revert to mortality during the night of a new moon, a sort of berserk transformation if she was angered enough, solid and strong enough to withstand mortal blows that would fatally wound humans, etc....

If she was to go berserk, there's no telling what she can do with her bare hands...

For all we know she might grow talons or claws with her wings and tear any opponent to shreds...

But for now, I think that each martial arts four are the best in their fields... (Sakurazaki in swords, Nagase in ninja weapons and the sort, Tatsumiya with guns, and Kuu with bare hands...)

Sure Nagase may have the upper hand when it comes to being in sixteen places at once and could easily intimidate Kuu, but if Kuu knew Nagase's weakness, she could easily take her down...

As for Chao, I don't know where she stands...

She really hasn't shown her power to any serious extent though I guess her potential is good if she is indeed from the future and if she's skilled in using things from the future...

She didn't use any weapons during the entire tournament, and she managed to do very well for herself.

And Setsuna isn't half-demon, she is half-bird. (She comes from the Bird-tribe or something like that)

^^^ Bird-demon tribe, that is...

Yeah, Sakurazaki is from the bird tribe, but what is that bird tribe? (Surely you can't believe that her father or her mother is just a normal bird...)

That's kinda why ZhangKhai answered that question... (Personally, that part of her character was using the Inu Yasha half-demon origin to make Sakurazaki's character possible... At least the part where she isn't 100% human...)


Also, yeah, I know Nagase didn't use any weapons during the whole tourney but her pre-lim match seemed like it was a pushover and she really didn't put much force into attacking Imma since Imma was able to block or dodge everything Nagase threw at him...

This is kinda why I wish Kuu did fight Nagase... (At least then we would know if Kuu really is the master in her field unless Nagase was planning to use some weapons like Tatsumiya did... Yes, they were coins but still, Tatsumiya didn't try to land a punch or kick when she could have which probably makes me believe that Tatsumiya can't fight hand-to-hand if her life depended on it... No offense to any Tatsumiya fans...)

Kaede would probably win, unless Mana found a new weapon, one of the most important reasons why her coin attack was so effective was the element of surprise. But now that it's exposed i'd doubt it would be as effective, even if it still is pretty deadly. But having to aim at several copy bodies would take too long.
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Hmmm...it would be close, but Mana has her contract card and it shows her with guns in the picture if I remember correctly. Assuming she's not using her artifact already, she'd probably win.







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Kiddy voted Nagase! Kiddy voted Nagase!

My cash goes to Mana. Why, because I love girls with a tan. Hell I love girls with guns in general. Not to say that Kaede is simply just a stepping stone, the fight itself would be a sight. But the way I view it this fight as not a who's better at hand to hand or who's better with weapons. My guess goes to both opponents using their utmost best style of fighting against one another. My personal 'Girlfriend of Steel' for class 3/A at the moment is:

Eva
Mana
Setsuna
Kaede
Kufei

I agree with jdennis007 completely. I too can see that Kaede is an adeptive fighter, and what else she's got more powers in her arsenal!

LOL, Kim! Now that you've said it...

Nagase has a deadly combat style. Remember that she can split herself and each one can have their own minds and weilding their own weapons?

Yeah, but what would happen if by chance, an opponent (Any generic opponent whether it be Tatsumiya, Springfield, McDowell, Kagurazaka, Sakurazaki, Rainyday, Albert, etc....) was able to correctly target the real Nagase...

If the real Nagase were to fall, then no more copies...

Even if each copy has a mind of their own and their own weapons, there has to be a source guiding the copies...

If the source was killed, made unconcious, or just unable to control the copies, then the copies can't function...

That's kinda why Nagase isn't exactly invincible even if she has her other 15 copies out...

So if the person was able to target the real Nagase and then make her unable to control her copies, then she would either be defeated because she was knocked into unconciousness and then have her copies disfunctional or where she is just unable to spawn copies maybe because her concentration was broken...

Unless the person couldn't hold of Nagase by herself, Nagase would be in quite a pinch or just plain defeated...

Though whether the person is able to correctly target the real Nagase is quite a challenge since they only have like a 1 in 16 chance of picking the right Nagase...

Or you could have someone like Imma who could just hold off all of the copies from getting close... (I'm sure McDowell can probably pull that off as well...)

But since this is between Tatsumiya and Nagase, I can't really say anything...

(Though if Tatsumiya was lucky by chance and nailed the real Nagase, I guess in that case, Tatsumiya would be able to defeat Nagase...)

Hmm...

But still, Kiddy's bets will go to Nagase, though. Kiddy got the feeling that she stronger that Tatsumiya

I would Vote for Kaede, 'cause she is really good with her Ninja skill, and the Shadow Clone technique too.
BTW, I though Ku Fei have weapon? some kind of club/hammer, the same thing that Diao Chan use in Dynasty Warrior, I think its a strong weapon too, just one hit and you will probally pwned

Kuu can use certain weapons to aid her in battle, but she's mainly known for fighting hand-to-hand...

Though she only uses those weapons when she feels like she might be in a pinch or if she wants to intimidate a foe if she feels like she might not want to fight at that particular moment... (Like she did with those huge hammer-like things...)