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| pheeph |
Posted on Feb 18 2006, 11:56 PM
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randomly thinking... Group: Members Posts: 1,768 Member No.: 134 Joined: 22-January 05 |
Hakase is Chachamaru's creator, Evangeline is Chachamaru's master. If Chachamaru happens to get into a dilemma over who she should answer to, who do you think it should be?
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| Tetsamaru |
Posted on Feb 18 2006, 11:58 PM
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~Yuki-chan~ Group: Members Posts: 583 Member No.: 2,646 Joined: 10-June 05 |
I really have no idea. but that would make for an interesting chapter wouldnt it? I wouldnt really know who to choose in that situation. would you listen to your "Mother" or would you listen to your Master whom you spend 90% of your time with. Since Hakase is working with Chao, there might be some sort of conflict sooner or later with both Hakase and Evangeline giving chachamaru opposite commands. the only reason chachamaru was able to do anything during the school festival was because Evangeline practically forgot about her. Im thinking she'd overlord or have a nervous breakdown.
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| kelly |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 12:09 AM
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Still oh so charming! Group: Members Posts: 627 Member No.: 4,941 Joined: 30-November 05 |
I'd say Evangeline. Hakase doesn't really order Chachamaru around at all, and we have already seen that Chachamaru is able to hit Hakase with no problems. What haven't seen yet is Chachamaru going against Eva's wishes.
That's a good question, though. It might become a big problem if Chachamaru has to choose between the two. |
| meganeshounen |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 12:16 AM
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Whatever Goes. Group: Scanlation/Fansub Projects Team Posts: 2,956 Member No.: 143 Joined: 23-January 05 |
Hakase = Shell and Physical Body
Eva = Soul and Sentient Mind My 2 Cents: Eva's the only Master she truly acknowledges. Chacha might even go rogue against Hakase. *recalls Hakase chapter* Oh wait, she already did. |
| Tetsamaru |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 12:19 AM
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~Yuki-chan~ Group: Members Posts: 583 Member No.: 2,646 Joined: 10-June 05 |
Well Chachamaru does have a will of her own, and im pretty sure in a chapter or 2(cant exactly remember which ones) Chachamaru has voiced her opinion to eva before which was the opposite of what Eva wanted to do, and this surprised Eva saying something like "chachamaru...to get an opinion from you" or something like that. Maybe she might choose to not listen to both of them and hide somewhere. heh, looks like evangeline is a sure pick for this. im choosing not to vote just because we we havent seen enough of Hakase to know an actual relationship with her and chachamaru.
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| Yuber8900 |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 12:26 AM
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Huh? What? Group: Members Posts: 733 Member No.: 5,178 Joined: 8-February 06 |
Evangeline-sama, becuase of Negi and whatnot.
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| Esperman |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 02:15 AM
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He who changes things at the last moment... (Ayase of AQS...) Group: Members Posts: 4,657 Member No.: 4,742 Joined: 9-October 05 |
I thought it was official that Karakuri answers to McDowell...
Hakase's more like a "mom"-figure to Karakuri than a master... (Though since Hakase is wacky and weird in many ways *Which is why she is my 5th favorite character...*, she doesn't really seem like a mom figure to the readers and possibly even Karakuri herself...) Hakase is kind of also a physician to Karakuri like the chapter that demonstrated it... (The chapter that officially introduces Hakase to the readers even though the focus was more on Karakuri than Hakase...) In a sense, Hakase may have built Karakuri, but she practically gave Karakuri to McDowell... (Either that or McDowell got a really GOOD deal on getting Karakuri essentially to herself...) But even a lot of people say (Obviously, as the poll describes...) that Karakuri pretty much only answers to McDowell as a servant, though I'm sure she does favors for Hakase and the Chao Bao Zi... |
| Sydney2K |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 03:41 AM
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Magister Magi Group: Members Posts: 1,557 Member No.: 5 Joined: 6-January 05 |
Yotsuba of course...
because although it's been assumed, we really only have Evangeline's word that she and Chachamaru are partners- yes, perhaps by word, but we have not seen any concrete sign that Evangeline has formed a provisional compact with Chachamaru. We do know though that Chachamaru does serve Evangeline as a personal attendant (read, maid.) But, we certainly know that Chachamaru works at Yotsuba's cafe, and she works hard. She takes orders for Yotsuba, and she serves meals by Yotsuba's command. Ergo, Yotsuba's Chachamaru's mistress. ?:-) Idle thought. What if Evangeline actually made a provisional compact with Satomi? The artifact? Chachamaru... ?;-) Widya Santoso |
| Shiroi Hane |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 09:47 AM
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Baka Ranger Group: Members Posts: 211 Member No.: 4,555 Joined: 10-September 05 |
We've already seen in chapter 3 that Chachamaru will follow Eva's orders even if she does not agree with them. Does she not call her 'master'?
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| AsunaNegi |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 10:19 AM
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Magister Magi Group: Scanlation/Fansub Projects Team Posts: 6,310 Member No.: 4,689 Joined: 1-October 05 |
when in doubt, follow the kickass loli goth vampire who actually cried. once.
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| Esseph |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 02:08 PM
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U.N.オーエンは彼女 Group: Members Posts: 685 Member No.: 1,384 Joined: 25-April 05 |
Am i the only one who remembers Chachamaru telling Chisame that she is her enemy, since shes following her master's orders ? (which is Hakase/Lingshen)
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| Shiroi Hane |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 06:55 PM
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Baka Ranger Group: Members Posts: 211 Member No.: 4,555 Joined: 10-September 05 |
Oh, in addition, while they don't appear to have a pactio-type contract, if such a thing is even possible with a puppet/automoton like 'zero or 'maru, but Evangeline introduces her as "'Minister Magi' Karakuri Chachamaru". I guess the way she supplies constant motive power to her dolls is superior to the time-restricted empowerment of a pactio minister/ministra anyway.
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| kamofan |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 07:02 PM
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Experienced Magic User Group: Members Posts: 93 Member No.: 2,252 Joined: 30-May 05 |
Actually I'd say Chao, since she appears to be Hakase's boss. A lot of scenes point to Chachamaru non-Eva allegance, and it seems that Eva is not in the loop on any of her other activities.
To me that points to a higher power pulling Chachamaru's string. (pun intended |
| Yuber8900 |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 08:10 PM
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Huh? What? Group: Members Posts: 733 Member No.: 5,178 Joined: 8-February 06 |
Chachazero has an artifact. |
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| Balthazars |
Posted on Feb 19 2006, 11:56 PM
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The Insane Philosopher Group: Members Posts: 2,731 Member No.: 5,080 Joined: 15-January 06 |
I'd go with Evangeline too because creator does not automatically equate to master. Hakase does not appear to have much control over the daily comings and goings of Chachamaru, whereas Eva does...and it's even implied that the only reason Chachamaru's existence at her current level was obtained was through Eva's power, so technically Eva is just as much her creator as Hakase.
But who cares! Eventually, Chachamaru will learn to only follow the one that she loves...which of course, is Negi! |
| xstar |
Posted on Feb 20 2006, 12:24 AM
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何それ Group: Members Posts: 840 Member No.: 4,068 Joined: 6-August 05 |
actually, she's cried several times |
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| ZhangKhaiEn |
Posted on Feb 20 2006, 04:00 AM
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去死吧, 成瀬川! Group: Members Posts: 226 Member No.: 5,039 Joined: 5-January 06 |
several? could you enumerate?
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| Sydney2K |
Posted on Feb 20 2006, 05:43 AM
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Magister Magi Group: Members Posts: 1,557 Member No.: 5 Joined: 6-January 05 |
Actually I wanna enumerate about the artifact. Evangeline is sniffing after Negi tells his sad story (v8); Evangeline's peepers are drippy after she confesses about Nagi and how she learns Nagi might still be alive (v4); that's at least two. Widya Santoso |
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| Invader G'rr |
Posted on Feb 20 2006, 07:54 AM
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宇宙人 ロボ Group: Moderator Team Posts: 8,127 Member No.: 269 Joined: 20-February 05 |
There should be two additional choices there as well.... Both & none. If there were, G'rr votes for both.
G'rr thinks Chachamaru answers to both. If Satomi programmed her correctly. Chachamaru will answer to her & second only to Eva.... G'rr votes for Satomi... |
| Tetsamaru |
Posted on Feb 20 2006, 02:42 PM
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~Yuki-chan~ Group: Members Posts: 583 Member No.: 2,646 Joined: 10-June 05 |
completely forgot about the whole programming part. But do you think Eva's magic would get in the way of that. its not that the curse took away "all" her powers. some amount goes to chachamaru for that would soul and mind thing.
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| Dorcas_Aurelia |
Posted on Feb 22 2006, 12:39 PM
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Advanced Magic User Group: Members Posts: 153 Member No.: 4,982 Joined: 12-December 05 |
The thing about the programming is that Chachamaru is half/part powered by magic, and the chaotic nature of magic wins out over orderly structure of programming, especially if Hakase designed Chachamaru's programming to make her adaptable and capable of learning, which all evidence leads me to conclude that she would. Even Chachamaru's assimilation of hairstyling (in direct conflict with it's practicality to her functioning) surprised Hakase, and we all remember what the effect of Hakase's invasion into Chachamaru's private file of "cherished things". Also, Chachamaru's relationship to Eva is not just in capacity as partner to a mage, but also servant to a master - a relationship which is entirely different from the one shared by Negi and Asuna, for example. On the other hand, she did say specifically during the tournament that she could not act against her mother... Would that remain the case amid the presence of emotions as well? Her prior actions seemed to imply she is more human than she realizes. |
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| Tetsamaru |
Posted on Feb 22 2006, 06:09 PM
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~Yuki-chan~ Group: Members Posts: 583 Member No.: 2,646 Joined: 10-June 05 |
and thats the very thing that leads me to think that Chachamaru may get some solo chapters when the time comes when eva and hakase both give her opposite orders. All the feelings and emotions welling up inside her, not knowing what to do....i will wait for those chapters.
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| ZhangKhaiEn |
Posted on Feb 22 2006, 07:08 PM
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去死吧, 成瀬川! Group: Members Posts: 226 Member No.: 5,039 Joined: 5-January 06 |
^^^ she will obviously ask her sensei for help
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| Filipinorocker5 |
Posted on Feb 22 2006, 09:18 PM
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Member No.: 5,073 Joined: 13-January 06 |
Im just gonna say this: DUDE THAT WOULD BE INSANE IF SHE HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN MOM AND MASTER!!! ok that is all
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| jdennis007 |
Posted on Feb 24 2006, 10:12 AM
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The Ancient One Group: Scanlation/Fansub Projects Team Posts: 3,339 Member No.: 77 Joined: 12-January 05 |
She answers to herself she is an independent being who is only accountable to herself. She shouldnt even be calling Evangeline Master because that is a subserviant term which she should not have to use.There got that PC bull out of my system so I am fine now, I think whe has to answer to Eva because Eva is the spark that keeps her going (either that or Negi).
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| the game |
Posted on Feb 25 2006, 08:03 AM
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Without me!!!! Group: Members Posts: 83 Member No.: 5,193 Joined: 13-February 06 |
I think that Eva is the real deal
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| sonic_ver2 |
Posted on Mar 1 2006, 09:20 AM
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Uhh... well... i suppose Evangeline should answer Chachamaru, since Evangeline lived longer with Chachamaru. But still, looking at Eva's personality, i don't think chachamaru will get good answer.
Hakase is a mad scientist. I don't think you can ask someone who's mad. |
| Kitana |
Posted on Mar 19 2006, 09:31 PM
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Magister Magi Group: Members Posts: 2,014 Member No.: 131 Joined: 22-January 05 |
Hakase's not mad. Chao is...
Anyways, I think she should answer to Evangeline. You see, Eva may seem cold, brutal, but she's really a good girl! She'll help Chachamaru cause she is her partner. But, sometimes, if it's mechanical problems or it has someting to do ith her functions, Chachamaru should turn to Satomi for help. |
| Chachamaru |
Posted on Mar 22 2006, 10:46 PM
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Zero Group: Members Posts: 1,528 Member No.: 240 Joined: 12-February 05 |
Master Eva. Yep yep Only Eva.
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| Krusher Kong |
Posted on Mar 23 2006, 10:16 PM
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THE BLOATED ONE #2 Group: Members Posts: 493 Member No.: 120 Joined: 20-January 05 |
Eva all the way, boys! Eva all the way...
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| Cimorium |
Posted on Mar 28 2006, 06:57 PM
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most likely Eva, It really depends on what are the two commands given. Although she is still a robot, she has somewhat of a free will and would choose the command that she sees fit as best.
But in the case of if both commands had equal amounts of advantage and disadvantage then she would go with Eva because she spends the most time with her then anyone else and has an emotional attachment to her. That and I like eva better lol |
| Kayedno1 |
Posted on Apr 15 2006, 10:05 PM
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Active Member Group: Members Posts: 28 Member No.: 5,417 Joined: 7-March 06 |
she answers to chao i think
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| Esseph |
Posted on Apr 15 2006, 10:19 PM
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U.N.オーエンは彼女 Group: Members Posts: 685 Member No.: 1,384 Joined: 25-April 05 |
Whoa whoa, big signatures there Cimorium and Kayedno, havn't you read the topic on thier size..?
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| Trowa |
Posted on Apr 15 2006, 10:28 PM
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Magister Magi Group: Members Posts: 7,582 Member No.: 5,528 Joined: 11-April 06 |
NO she answers to Eva-chan, thus why she adress's her as mistress.
You also have to remember that Eva-chan's magic powers her A.I, so I wouldn't be suprised if Eva-chan has more infuence on her than others. |
| Sydney2K |
Posted on Apr 15 2006, 11:40 PM
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Magister Magi Group: Members Posts: 1,557 Member No.: 5 Joined: 6-January 05 |
Are you sure? We know that the Negima! and the AI Love You worlds are the same, and Hakase has referred to the AI program developed in AI Love You, so it is possible that Chachamaru's sentinence is totally digital. This is further elaborated in the Hakase story where she is examining Chachamaru's memories, and finds that she has an affection for Negi- something that she didn't program. Hakase would refer to it as Chachamaru's programming reaching beyond it's expected boundaries. I would think that Evangeline's magic helps animates Chachamaru, so that Chachamaru's connections between her mind and her body are enhanced- that's why she moves and reacts so fast, and thus a good fighter. Widya Santoso |
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| Trowa |
Posted on Apr 16 2006, 12:18 AM
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Magister Magi Group: Members Posts: 7,582 Member No.: 5,528 Joined: 11-April 06 |
Eh?......Hmm, interesting I didn't know about the AI Love You connection. Fasinating
I still think their's a connection between Eva-chan's feelings and Chachamaru's because of the magic. |
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