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Anyone else annoyed Anya is marginalized even on the last cover of the series?

Otherwise interesting cover.

and luna aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllll they way in the back

Not really. I never liked her.

Arika may be on the back since Nagi was on the back of 37. I seriously doubt she's dead.

I bet she's missing or something and Ken's using that as a sequel hook. Or she's offscreen with Asuna while she's talking to Negi on the phone.

The way everyone is in the final chapters, I cannot surmise she is dead or missing, Ken just didn't remember about her (and really should have, why didn't he have fans address stuff like he did during the MW arc?)



This post has been edited by Zeether on Apr 27 2012, 04:28 PM

Since she's been trivialized nearly the entire series, this is nothing new. However, at least she isn't hidden in the back row or has her face obscured by another character's knees. Heck, Anya is as prominent as Princess Theodora. Too bad she doesn't stand out as well as Theo.

sigh I just wish Anya had more development.... Was that so much to ask for?

As for Luna being in the back. Yeah it is a interesting she's back their instead of in the middle for example. I suppose Akamatsu wanted to put all of Fate's ministra together with him. Even if she's also Negi's as well.

Which makes me wonder. Was her contract with Negi canceled or is she a ministra to both Negi and Fate?

This post has been edited by Trowa on Apr 28 2012, 06:29 PM

Yeah, going back to what Neko pointed out, Anya suffered from being the childhood friend. Of course she wasn't the only one with a lack of development, but with over thirty characters what are you going to do?
On the question about Luna, since her dream seemed to be walking arm in arm with both Negi and Fate, I think she would remained partnered with both. I guess we'll find that out about the time we hear how Nagi was rescued.

You're really assuming we'll ever be shown this? AHHH HA HA HA HA--- Sorry, sorry, really sorry.

On the cover:

Would have it killed them to put Chibi Setsuna next to Setsuna? At least they remembered she exists.

No Master of the Graves even here. GREATEST WASTE OF A CHARACTER IN THIS MANGA EVER, and considering how many characters were utterly wasted, that's saying a lot. Heck, Nodoka's loser crew from MM merited more face time and value than her? Sad.

You do realize saying stuff like this is putting you in the minority of people who don't think we're ever getting some follow up to explain this and that there are more people who think it's possible than you?

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Right, like majorities NEVER were wrong before. (When did you take a global poll anyway?)

Akamatsu sealed everyone's destinies in a way that makes follow ups pretty much impossible, and even assuming the rights get sorted out, by the time he's done the Negima buzz will be dead. And odds are he'll want to move on and try something new, since I doubt these latest two years or so of Negima have left a good taste in his mouth. And frankly, the impression I got was he wrote himself in too many corners (for instance, he made Negi way too powerful with only one guy left to challenge him. And that guy is more powerful than the whole cast combined, and there's no one else left to teach Negi how to become even stronger to beat him) to continue the action angle in a logical way.

A sequel is just wishful thinking. He SHOULD go back and fix this mess of an ending, but I don't believe he ever will.

This post has been edited by OverMaster on Apr 29 2012, 09:05 AM

Not really as I'd forgotten about the gravekeeper/master until you mentioned her.

Besides, Nodoka's treasure hunter friends had greater impact on the story then the grave keeper imo. Even if said impact is minimal comparitively speaking.

As for the Ancient One's comment on Nagi, and by extension Luna and several other things. I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic about that. He was trying to say we'd never find out about those things.

This post has been edited by Trowa on Apr 29 2012, 11:04 AM

Isn't the Grave Master the Lifemaker's daughter or something?

That and she's Negi's ancestor (and maybe Asuna's too). Furthermore, it also kinda implies that if not for the fact that Negi had won her over in terms of solutions and such, the Grave Master would've CURBSTOMPED THE FLYING FU$K out of Negi and Ala Alba.

In otherwords, it would be Game Over before Negi even BEGAN to fight Fate!

Not that I'm aware of.

As far as I know it was only stated that she's related to Negi. Unless it was mentioned at the end of a volume or something that she's the LM's daughter.

This post has been edited by Trowa on May 5 2012, 05:36 PM

And about the Negi - Asuna end...
I don't think so, That's the dress Asuna wear as a princess right?
Maybe it was mistaken as a wedding one...

Still a shitty ending.

It's not the dress Asuna's wearing, but her position in relation to not only Negi but the rest of his love-interests.

She's standing right next to him in the foreground while Nodoka, Yue, Makie and so forth are in the group shot behind them. This positioning could imply she's the winner of the Negi Springfield lottery.

This post has been edited by Trowa on May 6 2012, 10:45 PM

One of my thoughts is that Ken Akamatsu wanted to have Negi end up with Asuna...but was well aware that he already pulled that ending with Keitaro + Naru in Love Hina as well as Thirty + Whatshisname in AI Love You.

Thus he ruled out Asuna and decided Negi would be married...to his career!

That's like suffocating the baby in the cradle to stop him from crying.

I think you're getting it now...

I read there was a point during the run of Love Hina where he wanted to push more for a Keitaro and Mokoto ending, but sorta changed his mind and went for the more typical ending of him with Naru.

And OverMaster, I really don't see anyway he'd be able to just go back and "fix" the ending. The whole "escalation of strength" thing has been touched on in numerous points of the series, but in retrospect the time when we were getting that talk about it with Negi and Rakan using the blackboard it was kinda clear this would be the last we'd be hearing of it. I don't see how Ken would've been able to logically rise it any further...Introduce a new form of magic on top of ME? It'd be a real stretch...

I can explain it even simpler. It's pretty much established that:

1) Cosmo Entelechia are the strongest villains ever in the series.
2) Nagi Springfield and the Lifemaker are at god levels of strength. (And Negi essentially beats them both offscreen)
3) Anyone who isn't part of Class 3-A, Ala Rubra or Cosmo Entelechia isn't worth fighting...PERIOD. There are almost NO exceptions to this rule.

This pretty much means that Negi is the king of the mountain, and that he only loses to Class 3-A because he allows them to beat him.

To top things off, Negi elevated himself in terms of powerlevels too much and too fast, escalating from a dude who could fight alongside the awesome fighting girls like Setsuna, Kaede and Mana to one of the only people who can even TOUCH the bad guys (the other being Fate).

Well to sum it up, Negi and co can even rule out the world hahaha...

I dunno but I think KA left it like this because of :
1. He want the reader to choose what he/she wants to be with Negi, so free choice
or
2. He make this a cliffhanger for a sequel
or
3. I'm just thinking too much and I'm a retard

Hurgh got spammed.....

All I seem to do since Negima finished is delete spam from bots on the forums. Hurry up and make ANYTHING 'Akamatsu!

Anyone else feeling a little lost without a weekly fix of Negima?

Cause I really miss debateing things with you guys.

Yeah, I miss it too. Oh well, guess I'll make do with other series until Ken's next project comes out. I'm a thinking that won't be too soon.

Unless it's a fix-up of Negima, I won't be following his next project. If he can't be bothered to fix what he screwed up, I won't hold any faith on him not screwing his next project either.

The length of time between Negima and whatever Ken is planning next may be as long as it was between Love Hina and Negima for all we know, unless I can be proven wrong. He probably had the material to cover the missing arcs before all of this happened.

This post has been edited by Zeether on Aug 19 2012, 09:04 PM

@OverMaster There where reasons for Akamatsu ending Negima the way he did. Cruddy reason I'll admit, but reasons none the less.

@Zeether how long was it between LH and Negima?

I'm mostly sad cause LH is really what got me into manga to begin with. Than I saw Negima and the rest is history so to speak.

*posting while drunk has it's down sides*

This post has been edited by Trowa on Aug 20 2012, 01:19 PM

Love Hina finished on October 31, 2001. Negima started on February 26, 2003. So roughly 18 months or so. That would roughly mean around September next year if you base it on that theory.

He admitted he planned that ending with at least one year in advancement. Granted, he didn't have the most time for it, but still, one year was still enough to come up with something better than that. We know he can do better, but it was as if he went and made the end as bad on every angle as he could on purpose. Maybe he couldn't squeeze a perfect end out, but I'm sure even an average fanfic writer can come up with something not as shoddily structured as what we got.

Off hand, I can't think of too many series I've read that ended all that well, though I did expect better than what we got. However, I had over 8 good years of Negima so I'll be giving the next one, if there is one, a try.

This has become such a sad place, so empty of after being so full of life and debate.

Personally, I cannot honestly say that I liked the ending, but I didn’t hate it either. This is in itself is a fair condemnation of the finale of a series I loved, mostly, for many years.

I think it was the way we were teased with the introduction of a number of characters whose stories were never more than sketched out that upset me the most in the end. For some reason not knowing why Al ended up under Mahora, or what happened to Arika or, even, how Ako got her scar and the meaning of Negi's notes on her and Makie's brother bothered me far more than not having a write and proper Asuna X Negi X (Konoka X Setsuna) ending, the story so deserved.

However, in memory of his other works, I look forward to his next production.

The thing is, the Akamatsu who starts his next series will most likely be the Akamatsu who killed Negima, rather than the Akamatsu who wrote Live Hina and started Negima.

He said a new Negima is possible and I'm taking him up on that and hoping that the next series is something to properly cover what was skipped. I understand it was for a good reason he had to end the series so prematurely with the IP rights issue and he probably wants to publish the next series he does himself.

At last this place is getting livelier

Well, regarding the next series KA make I DO hope it's Negima...
But if it isn't I'll still read it, since KA prev works is all good to me except Negima's Ending so the good ratio is better than bad and I will still believe he can make a good story...

The premature ending itself wasn't the issue as much as the clumsy way he handled it, shoving a pointless and mean spirited character derailing conga before pulling a hasty and even more pointless last minute 'resolution' that rendered that Negima continuity pretty much useless to go on with. He even pretty much admitted in the notes he'd have to go the alternate universe route to retake the series. And he could have avoided that with some careful planning.

The premature ending itself wasn't the issue as much as the clumsy way he handled it, shoving a pointless and mean spirited character derailing conga before pulling a hasty and even more pointless last minute 'resolution' that rendered that Negima continuity pretty much useless to go on with. He even pretty much admitted in the notes he'd have to go the alternate universe route to retake the series. And he could have avoided that with some careful planning.

That's one reason why I think if Ken Akamatsu does eventually return to the Negima storyline, he'll probably do a "Superman Returns" style reboot in which the events of the last two volumes never existed and the story begins right at the start of the fall semester.

Just curious, but does anyone know if readers in Japan felt cheated over the ending as it seems most here did?