Hi everone

I am sure by know you all know that Blood Angels are due for release. Along with this there are some really nice models that might be worth useing for conversion with in our Iron Warriors armies

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...GameStyle=wh40k

With new Helmet all the way to the Sanguinary Guards body armour. There a lot of new bit for Iron Warriors or any chaos legion (thinking of Emperor Children right now).

Also there is some talk of the =][=, more so plastic grey knight!!! again more part fo us to use in our armies from the armour, helmet & weapon.

Then hopeful it will be our time for chaos legion. It be good because we then have all these kits for conversion & the new templars earily next year :ph43r:
So though we wait for a chaos legion codex, it is good as during this time new models we can use, show people who the ture armies are in 40k :thumb:

IP

Now that you mention it. The Sanguinary Guard would make some kick arse Slaanesh Chosen.

Well.. I don't care, actually.. the new Blood Angels models look like they came from some Drag-Queen festival..

Although, with some filing and GS'ing, the Astorath the Grim model could be a nice base for a converted Death Guard Primarch Mortarion..

Other then that, GW failed to impress me yet again.. <_<

Is there anything even remotly close to a confirmation that legions will be coming out any time soon or is this just some wishful thinking?

Here is a video of the codex flip though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU4AXO7St3M...layer_embedded#

Hmm these new Blood Angels models look really cool and highly detailed but a Stormraven Gunship? I don't even know what it is but it sounds pretty cool heres hoping GW will make a model for it in the near future.
All hail the Iron Primarch

ELITE

Models didn't really grab me in any way, except the Baal Predator which looks awesome. And four special characters?!? Something tells me every single one of them is going to be massively powerful with a bargain points cost :curse:

Bah, the Storm Raven will be probably end up as broken as the Valkyrie.. I suppose it's going to look like either an enlarged Land Speeder, or perhaps a down-sized Thunderhawk-wannabe..

Yeah, I expect them to be the next uber army for a while, but that's cool I'm already sick of fighting Space Wolves.
I do like the look of the New Baal Pred. I might build me one just for Apoc games, it would be nice to have with a couple of new 'nids players starting up in my area.

Hey guys,
I was looking around the net when I came across this Linky. Is it the stormraven ( I don't think so ) or isn't it. I believe that in that email GW might be talking about a plastic Thunderhawk. Fingers crossed.
All hail the Iron Primarch

ELITE

Nah, that's just an old artwork for the Land Raider boxed set, or something.. I had that one as background on my screen once.. that thingy that flies along with Speeders is merely a Thunderhawk...

And besides, I doubt it that the Storm Raven is infact a thunderhawk.. as previously mentioned, it could be an enlarged Land Speeder, or a Thunderhawk-wannabe..

I have that picture as well, and after looking at it again, GW probably put it out there again as something to think over. I mean with stormravens in the new BA dex and a thunderhawk in that pic, its probably just to get customers interested in and talking about the Blood Angels. Rant over.
All hail the Iron Primarch

ELITE

You'll probably find the Stormraven will be a non-transport Thunderhawk attack craft. Something like a fighter-bomber. And if GW are planning a plastic Thunderhawk kit, it'll be a 2-in-1 with parts options much like the Baneblade/Hellhammer. Armoured front hull instead of a loading ramp, and bigger wings with more guns.

As other have point out this is NOT the Storm Raven. The art work use is a old one from when the Land Raider was updated to Mk2 back many many year ago when 3rd ed was still young & the Space Wolves had just been release.

My chaos gods it feel like a age rememeber this :lol:

The art work is simple the current Land Raider with a Thunder Halk.

Storm raven going to be a little diffrent in look.

If I was a guessing man...........I would said if not out for Spearhead release then I would keep a eye out on the Grey Knights release. I mean the Blood Angels do get on very well with them as to the brand new codex, pretty much ever second word Grey Knight or like De Vinci code, it all tide up if you re-work some of the words.
I also say........if people think Blood Angels are hard.........they not seen anything quite yet :puke

Though a Storm Raven now offical. A Thunderhawk in plastic will never happen any time soon. Might be done in the future with the way tech going as we have a stompa & baneblade. But a Thunderhawk is not come out any time soon & I would not put much faith in those rumour, I know HQ getting pretty sick of being ask this during Games Day events.
It like those trench coat Imperial Guards that we heard for over 7 years now.

I find myself thinking "Why not?" It's obvious that hordes of slavering fanboys will go nuts for a plastic 'hawk kit, much like the Baneblade, and the thing is frankly a brick with wings, I really believe a multi-part plastic kit is feasible. I think the only reason they haven't released one already is that it would be too expensive. The Thunderhawk is huge. Forge World can charge fantastic prices for their stuff because that's how things are with them. A plastic 'hawk would be GW's most expensive and largest kit by a significant margin, and if they stuck with their current pricing scam-er-SCHEME, it's likely that a lot of people simply wouldn't buy it. They'll build up the price point gradually, until the day when a $300 kit doesn't seem so unreasonable for one model.

I agree with Khargoth on this one.. I've seen the FW Thunderhawk in person, and to be honest, it dwarfs the baneblade.. Perhaps not as high as a Stompa, but it's huge..

Personally, I've NO CLUE on how many Thunderhawks FW has sold, but my best guess is that it's around 700-1.400 of them.. WORLDWIDE.

To produce a Thunderhawk in plastic would first involve a marketing analysis, then investigate the procurement value versus the purchase value, and finally produce the molds required for it..

In other words;
A heapload of fanboys that drool merely of the thought of a plastic Thunderhawk, GW's insane surplus-guided prices and a machine that craps various plastic molds by the buckloads..

Eventually it will come but only when GW deciede it is worth the investment, problem comes that with the thunderhawk is more limited to certai armies, marines, chaos marines and grey knights, no other army can have them IMO, the BB has been available as well to IG, orks and a number of others.

The cynic in me immediately pointed out that GW would only care what armies can field it is because it decrees how many players will buy it :P

I have a FW thunderhawk its a very complex kit to mold compared to the valkries going by the mold lines it will be a while before they can attempt it for ordinary plastic and to be honest im glad they made it and I don't regret getting 1 and when I got it at lest 5 years ago now I got a certificate with it and a serial no. with it and it was the 2,002nd 1 produced going by the registration on under side of the starboard engine

So pictures have leaked of the Storm Raven, and frankly it looks like s**t:

But it also seems to be yet another Blood Angels exclusive, so expect to see more than half the players at GW fielding these cheesy gits. And before you go pointing out it doesn't seem all that beardy, apparantly it can transport both 12 Marines and a Dreadnought. So it's an overpowered Marine transport with all the advantages that make Tau and Eldar vehicles unique.

Leaked? you are a little late, you can already order them.

I have not yet played against one, but I expect it to be a pain.
And I agree that it looks funny, but I'd leave off the top turret and rearrange the weapons to make it sleeker, maybe it would fix it (?)

oh, also note, that there is a fine new dread in the BA range:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod900150a

Storm Reaven looks like s**t? Khargoth, can't you see its sheer effective beauty of it? It's like the A10.. looks like the deepest corners of my worts nightmare, but still, it kicks tank arses by the bucketloads.. I, for one, love the "bullpup" design..

Thou shallt not whine, thou shallt snatch it from thy foe and use it against him.. the true beauty of Apocalypse, were our beloved Iron Warriors shine in all their glory!

Oh, as for the Death Company dread; I want one to defile and let it serve Khorne.. ;)

I plan to convert 2 of them to chaos when we get a new codex, I will make modifications to the design as I don't find it pleasing, first up is adding a 2nd pair of engines.

He says the same thing when he's buying a puppy :lol:
J/K

Now where have I seen this machine before?
Oh yeah, here...

I knew el Brooks was a games designer.

All I can say about this beast is I'm glad my Guard have a Hydra to defend themselves. My Marine arsonal is a different story. I may have to dust off my old autocannon Havoc squads. Can anyone else think of a better way to shoot down one of these?

I know.. leave a squad of Iron Warriors w/lascannon in a rhino and let the Lascannon-armed Iron Warrior shoot it down via the rhino's fire point.. that's how I counter my friend's Vendetta's.. ;)

And hopefully lopping off that dumb-arsed looking turret and air intake? Something like the FW Razorback turrets would look much better.

I agree it just doesn't look good.

*scratches his head* I really can't understand why you guys don't like the Storm Raven model..

I think it's mostly the wings and tail. They're too small. And with the very tall turret and intake... thing on top it puts all the proportions askew. A nice long minimal tail similar to the Valkyrie and larger wings would have vastly improved it's looks.

Is that really effective? I know the Las Cannon will mince the armor if it hits but if he goes flat out there's not many shots to get past the 4+ save.

I don't mind the wings and engine so much, but the turret and dorsal intake just make it look too top heavy, I think they should have gone with more of the valkyrie look, the storm raven's poportions are just... wrong. IMHO :puke

Well.. considering the mathhammer, it isen't effective, but if you sacrifice a thousand souls to the Dice Gods before battle, there is a possibility that you'll nail one..

Well, I for one, like the uglyness. It's a dropship that deploys marines and dreads in the thick of the battle, and doesn't need to look beautifull. It just needs to do its job.

From a practical perspective the top turret doesn't work. Ideally it'd be mounted on the rear beneath the tail, to engage aircraft trying to intercept the craft during re-entry.

The meltas on the nose look kind of silly, and the first thing I though was "when are you going to get to use those?", but it makes sense to burn a swathe through the enemy just before the Marines deploy. Personally I'd go with heavy flamers, and pop the marines to assault anything that survives.

The turret, quite frankly, is there for gaming purposes. It allows the Raven to drop a squad of marines, and also pop a tank with impunity without worrying about which way the transport is facing. You'll notice the Valkyrie and Vulture both had very practical hard-mounted weapons, save for a very minimalist turret on the nose, and door gunners on the Valkyrie. By comparison the Storm Raven is pretty much a giant Falcon Grav-Tank with the ability to cross the table on Turn 1 because it's also a flyer.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that it is an effective machine, and I realize that looks aren't all that important, but I just think that it looks too ungainly and kid of thrown together. Looking at the thunderhawk or the land speeder I see some relativly sleek and good looking aircraft that still fit in with the Space Marine feel. I look at this model and quite frankly, it looks like it would be more at home in an Ork army. Of course all of this is just opinion but I for one would like a flying machine with a bit of areodynamic thought.

For my own conversion I'm taking a lot of inspiration of a craft that looks sleek and brutal at the same time, the undisputed badd-ass of the helicoptor world, the Mil Mi-24 Hind.

yes it is called hind because it's sleek.


But I like it too.

"The undisputed bad-ass of the helicopter world, the Mil Mi-24 Hind."

I -in my own oppinion, mind you- call bull.. the undisputed, bad-ass(es) of the helicopter worldhas to be these flying deaths;


The Ka-50 Hokum-A and its brother, the Ka-52 Hokum-B Black Shark


Lovely helicopters..

I really should be trying to get this slightly back onto the Stormraven rather than attack helicopters. But what the heck, too few people on here to care to much really?

Plus, I am rather partial to the AgustaWestland Apache AH Mk1 myself...




But back to the Stormraven/Blood Angels...

Personally, I hate the Stormraven, in both model and idea. Why now? Why do we need flyers now? First the Guard with the Valkyre, and now Marines? You know that when other Marines get redone, that is going to be included.

Plus, the model is fricking ugly as sin.

we are Mods/Admins.. we are Gods amongst marines.. ^_^

Bet your chaosy arse Grey Knights will get the Storm Raven included in their list..

You are all wrong, the baddest helicopter of all time is this:

Yeah, Airwolf from the old '80s TV series, no one can beat Airwolf!

Now back on topic...

I heard rumor that GW will be releasing an official "Flyers" supplement this summer, kind of like the cities of death, or planet strike. This book is supposed to have new rules and scenarios for using flyers and from what I hear, there are supposed to be some new plastic flyer kits coming out at the same time.


p.s. this is totally off topic but how do I get the name of the person that I'm quoting to appear over my quote?

We have to learn to deal with them, 4 armies will have them IG, BA, DE and GK.
Once the marines get their codex you can bet the stormraen will be in it.

I just hope chaos will get something and by god please don't let it be a spiky stormraven.